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Can anyone come up with one good reason why there were 13 security personal on the x ray machine at BNE int transit at ten am on Friday went I went through? There is only one machine..... Is there a good reson that I have just missed or is it a blatent waste of money?
How come 2 of us can operate a 230 tonne machine at 400kts but it takes 12 of them to man an x ray machine? When I asked them if they were having a meeting they "randomly " selected me for an explosives test.
How come 2 of us can operate a 230 tonne machine at 400kts but it takes 12 of them to man an x ray machine? When I asked them if they were having a meeting they "randomly " selected me for an explosives test.
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13 Security personnel....thats 230 tonne right there!
You know the system is stuffed when a guy can't even get to work without breaking the rules...."Mr Security can you let me in, ohh ok you have knocked off....Mr re fueler can you let me in?....ohh ok you have gone home too, Mr bag thrower that has been here a month can you let me in please"
Ok, now that I am in, how do I get out later?
It would be cheaper, and much more useful to just buy a set of bolt cutters (well even wire cutters would work!) rather than renew the ASIC next time.
Either that or just walk a kilometer or so until the proper fence meets farmer Joes sheep fence...
You know the system is stuffed when a guy can't even get to work without breaking the rules...."Mr Security can you let me in, ohh ok you have knocked off....Mr re fueler can you let me in?....ohh ok you have gone home too, Mr bag thrower that has been here a month can you let me in please"
Ok, now that I am in, how do I get out later?
It would be cheaper, and much more useful to just buy a set of bolt cutters (well even wire cutters would work!) rather than renew the ASIC next time.
Either that or just walk a kilometer or so until the proper fence meets farmer Joes sheep fence...
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I would have thought five was the maximum you needed...
One to load, one to read, one to unload, one to man the walk-through and one to man the explosives tester, maybe add a supervisor... This was the case when I worked on them, anyway, but that was some years ago (I still get the flashbacks
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You can run a screening point with two, but it frequently gets ugly, and probably not in keeping with the post 9/11 "More Is More" security philosophy...
Shift change or trainees maybe?
One to load, one to read, one to unload, one to man the walk-through and one to man the explosives tester, maybe add a supervisor... This was the case when I worked on them, anyway, but that was some years ago (I still get the flashbacks
) You can run a screening point with two, but it frequently gets ugly, and probably not in keeping with the post 9/11 "More Is More" security philosophy...
Shift change or trainees maybe?
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Sorry, forgot about them. The lunchrooms must be getting crowded 
Word around the campfire here is that airside access point security will increase. Complaining about baggage handlers and caterers accessing aircraft unscreened while air crew are screened will only increase airside security (rightly or wrongly), hopefully not to the level at some UK airports where I understand you can't take hot soup onto the airfield
. My two pesos is that it will do nothing to ease screening in the terminals, as no pollie or public servant wants to take the risk, however minimal, of something going bang if they do. The media and liability fall out would be horrendous.
All an ASIC card shows is that you haven't been caught doing anything dodgy. I get sick of hearing pollies bang on about increased background checks for aviation workers, childcare workers et al, because all a background check can do is identify people who were dopey enough to get caught. They can weed out the total nutters and gangsters and look good on the press release (Government Gets Tough On Crime) but that's about it. Remember that a number of alleged paedophiles arrested in sunny Queensland recently had blue cards and clear background checks.
Any terrorist organization (or criminal organization, for that matter) would be sure to use cleanskins. This has been standard practice for drug smuggling operations for some years now.
Word around the campfire here is that airside access point security will increase. Complaining about baggage handlers and caterers accessing aircraft unscreened while air crew are screened will only increase airside security (rightly or wrongly), hopefully not to the level at some UK airports where I understand you can't take hot soup onto the airfield
. My two pesos is that it will do nothing to ease screening in the terminals, as no pollie or public servant wants to take the risk, however minimal, of something going bang if they do. The media and liability fall out would be horrendous. All an ASIC card shows is that you haven't been caught doing anything dodgy. I get sick of hearing pollies bang on about increased background checks for aviation workers, childcare workers et al, because all a background check can do is identify people who were dopey enough to get caught. They can weed out the total nutters and gangsters and look good on the press release (Government Gets Tough On Crime) but that's about it. Remember that a number of alleged paedophiles arrested in sunny Queensland recently had blue cards and clear background checks.
Any terrorist organization (or criminal organization, for that matter) would be sure to use cleanskins. This has been standard practice for drug smuggling operations for some years now.
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You people don't realise that so many standing around would be normal for them, they are afterall ex council workers minus their shovels!
Yr taxes at work, or should that be at rest?
I often see numerous bodies hanging around, no doubt waiting for something exciting to happen. Just think about that job, could anybody thing of anything worse? Fortunetly over the years good decent blokes & gals have let me thru into the terminals via the cargo/baggage area's etc & outn again using the best security skill known, common sense! I think as long as yr wearing an ASIC card, they kind of heard you rock up in yr steed saw you get out they figure ahhh the risk of this guy coming to blow up my baggage handlers lunch room is remote !
Many years ago I worked as a refueler (in another well paid life) & the likes of us just came & went day in day out & rarely did any of the security staff check us, when they did they had been tipped off that the boffins where about. Thanks guys for doing as I said, using common sense, something we rarely see these days in & around security!
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Yr taxes at work, or should that be at rest?
I often see numerous bodies hanging around, no doubt waiting for something exciting to happen. Just think about that job, could anybody thing of anything worse? Fortunetly over the years good decent blokes & gals have let me thru into the terminals via the cargo/baggage area's etc & outn again using the best security skill known, common sense! I think as long as yr wearing an ASIC card, they kind of heard you rock up in yr steed saw you get out they figure ahhh the risk of this guy coming to blow up my baggage handlers lunch room is remote !
Many years ago I worked as a refueler (in another well paid life) & the likes of us just came & went day in day out & rarely did any of the security staff check us, when they did they had been tipped off that the boffins where about. Thanks guys for doing as I said, using common sense, something we rarely see these days in & around security!
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You have to admit that osama has given those that would otherwise be on the dole the privilege to join the rest of the tax paying community. But annoying as they are, Cantberra must be the ones to bare your distaste for the warm and fuzziness that these good folk are entrusted to SHOW the public that the sky's are indeed safe to ply.
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My two pesos is that it will do nothing to ease screening in the terminals, as no pollie or public servant wants to take the risk, however minimal, of something going bang if they do. The media and liability fall out would be horrendous.
hmm in other words "be scared of what you do not understand" great attitude from our "leaders"
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Could anyone tell me if the international flight rules on liquids, etc is coming to a domestic terminal near you. I thought I had heard August 08 as a deadline for the next level of madness.
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Wirgin Blew, The latest I heard from the Dept, although not officially in writing, is that there is no intention to introduce LAGS into the Oz domestic network.
However security screening for turboprop RPT and jet charter is most certainly on the radar.
However security screening for turboprop RPT and jet charter is most certainly on the radar.
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Don't gripe about it on prune.. email this pollie instead and let him deal with it, if you don't do it now it will be no use complaining about it later when the mall cops get more power.
http://www.minister.infrastructure.g...AA055_2008.htm
http://www.minister.infrastructure.g...AA055_2008.htm
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and fire a cc of to these monkeys
The Aviation Security Screening Review Taskforce can be contacted via email: [email protected]
The Aviation Security Screening Review Taskforce can be contacted via email: [email protected]
