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The IPCC - Another UN Farce
In the mid 1970's, the UN initiated a series of studies to examine how to more evenly distribute wealth between the poorer nations and those that had a great deal of wealth. There were several scenarios presented, but the only one that was considered as viable was global warming. The UN then approached several of the big names in finance (in the 1990's) to come up with a proposal that would meet their criteria. Interestingly, it was Enron that came up with the idea of trading Carbon Credits (and look what happened to that bunch of crooks).
Now they had to obtain the data and a suitable spokesperson to push the agenda. Who better than a failed US presidential candidate (with a high profile, and an ego to match) and a second-rate scientist with aspirations to control NASA. Now I know this sounds like a Conspiracy Theory, but truth is often stranger than fiction! Hence we have Al Gore, and James Hansen. The two go a long way back - Hansen supplied the data (skewed - see the later http ref.) and Gore delivered the Gospel (including out-takes from a couple of movies to illustrate the point - YAY CGI). Go to http://climatedebatedaily.com/ and/or http://www.climatescience.org.nz/ for the details. Nobel must be turning in his grave! What have these clowns done for World Peace?
It is interesting to note that Gore's personal fortune has gone from US$2,000,000 to about US$100,000,000 since "An Inconvenient Truth" and that Hansen's media exposure has rocketed since the film release. I don't know about you, but this smacks of politicism of the scientific community. It should not be tolerated. Added to this is the fact that the IPCC panel consists of only 50 odd climatologists (all political appointments), with the vast majority being financiers and economists. I noticed recently that 31,000 (yes, that figure is correct) paleogeologists and meteorological scientists have signed a document refuting the IPCC findings in their entirety. The general consensus, in fact, is that the Earth is headed for a period of considerable global cooling, based on the sunspot cycle (and lets face it, the Sun is responsible for the warming of the Earth). Just another factor the IPCC model has failed to take into account.
It seems to me that the UN is trying to find a justification for its existence. They failed to take action in Ruwhanda, Bosnia, Croatia, Zimbabwe, Somalia, Mogadishu, Angola - the list goes on. Why do we continue to listen to this bunch of pseudo-politicos? Personally, I love John Howard's response when the UN criticised Aussie policy on the Aboriginies (not that I agree with his policies, just his response) - "Piss off, this is our country". Lets tell the UN to "piss off", and sort out stuff that REALLY matters
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Now they had to obtain the data and a suitable spokesperson to push the agenda. Who better than a failed US presidential candidate (with a high profile, and an ego to match) and a second-rate scientist with aspirations to control NASA. Now I know this sounds like a Conspiracy Theory, but truth is often stranger than fiction! Hence we have Al Gore, and James Hansen. The two go a long way back - Hansen supplied the data (skewed - see the later http ref.) and Gore delivered the Gospel (including out-takes from a couple of movies to illustrate the point - YAY CGI). Go to http://climatedebatedaily.com/ and/or http://www.climatescience.org.nz/ for the details. Nobel must be turning in his grave! What have these clowns done for World Peace?
It is interesting to note that Gore's personal fortune has gone from US$2,000,000 to about US$100,000,000 since "An Inconvenient Truth" and that Hansen's media exposure has rocketed since the film release. I don't know about you, but this smacks of politicism of the scientific community. It should not be tolerated. Added to this is the fact that the IPCC panel consists of only 50 odd climatologists (all political appointments), with the vast majority being financiers and economists. I noticed recently that 31,000 (yes, that figure is correct) paleogeologists and meteorological scientists have signed a document refuting the IPCC findings in their entirety. The general consensus, in fact, is that the Earth is headed for a period of considerable global cooling, based on the sunspot cycle (and lets face it, the Sun is responsible for the warming of the Earth). Just another factor the IPCC model has failed to take into account.
It seems to me that the UN is trying to find a justification for its existence. They failed to take action in Ruwhanda, Bosnia, Croatia, Zimbabwe, Somalia, Mogadishu, Angola - the list goes on. Why do we continue to listen to this bunch of pseudo-politicos? Personally, I love John Howard's response when the UN criticised Aussie policy on the Aboriginies (not that I agree with his policies, just his response) - "Piss off, this is our country". Lets tell the UN to "piss off", and sort out stuff that REALLY matters
400R
Air NZ are doing for one reason.................TO SAVE MONEY ( or make more money )
The Oil price is making it more attractive to find alternative sources of fuel.
They are doing it to try and bring down the price they pay for fuel.
1/ Gullable customers think ANZ are Green and therefore will fly on them instead of other Airlines.
2/ They get cheaper overflight payments from being Carbon neutral
3/ The alternative fuel is a bit cheaper
4/ It pressures the Oil cartels to re-think their output and just maybe lower the price of Oil. ( although it would take a lot of Airlines using alternative fuels to make a dent )
They will spin it as hard as they can to achieve their aim, they can't really lose can they.
A win win for ANZ accountants
The Oil price is making it more attractive to find alternative sources of fuel.
They are doing it to try and bring down the price they pay for fuel.
1/ Gullable customers think ANZ are Green and therefore will fly on them instead of other Airlines.
2/ They get cheaper overflight payments from being Carbon neutral
3/ The alternative fuel is a bit cheaper
4/ It pressures the Oil cartels to re-think their output and just maybe lower the price of Oil. ( although it would take a lot of Airlines using alternative fuels to make a dent )
They will spin it as hard as they can to achieve their aim, they can't really lose can they.
A win win for ANZ accountants
400Rulz, from your last post, could you provide a reference for these claims please -
Enron that came up with the idea of trading Carbon Credits
Gore's personal fortune has gone from US$2,000,000 to about US$100,000,000 since "An Inconvenient Truth"
I noticed recently that 31,000 (yes, that figure is correct) paleogeologists and meteorological scientists have signed a document refuting the IPCC findings in their entirety.
Enron that came up with the idea of trading Carbon Credits
Gore's personal fortune has gone from US$2,000,000 to about US$100,000,000 since "An Inconvenient Truth"
I noticed recently that 31,000 (yes, that figure is correct) paleogeologists and meteorological scientists have signed a document refuting the IPCC findings in their entirety.
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HTML Links
1. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1813229/posts
2. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...a-media-s-help
3. http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...0-deniers.aspx
Also check out this link for a "beginners guide" to Global Weather:
http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html
http://www.ecofascism.com/article2.html
Other good websites are:
1. http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php
2. http://climatedebatedaily.com/
There are several other discussion papers regarding the Gore/ENRON/Carbon trading connection - type the three into a Google search. You'll get enough hits to keep you reading for a while.....
-400R
2. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...a-media-s-help
3. http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...0-deniers.aspx
Also check out this link for a "beginners guide" to Global Weather:
http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html
http://www.ecofascism.com/article2.html
Other good websites are:
1. http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php
2. http://climatedebatedaily.com/
There are several other discussion papers regarding the Gore/ENRON/Carbon trading connection - type the three into a Google search. You'll get enough hits to keep you reading for a while.....
-400R
Last edited by 400Rulz; 9th Jun 2008 at 06:15. Reason: Addition of URL
Thanks for the references 400Rulz.
Personaly, I'm sceptical of the AGW claims.
There is a second part to what AirNZ is doing though - peak oil, and/or, unafordable oil.
IMHO, any prudent aviation bussiness should be doing just what AirNZ claims it is doing in relation to finding an alternate fuel source.
Personaly, I'm sceptical of the AGW claims.
There is a second part to what AirNZ is doing though - peak oil, and/or, unafordable oil.
IMHO, any prudent aviation bussiness should be doing just what AirNZ claims it is doing in relation to finding an alternate fuel source.
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..peak oil I'm not so sure..it is a bit "catch-phrasey" if you ask me..how about peak production.
When are the fat lazy oil companies (the worst-british one, I used to work for) need to start plowing some of their massive windfall profits back into more rigs and more refineries. Its just lazy and greedy to witness a huge rise in demand (India and China) but do nothing about production..and then sit back and let Wall street, and speculators, elevate world oil prices, thus increasing their profits for doing nothing.
I am a Capitalist, but the world market is becoming its own worst enemy like a scorpion stinging itself to death as it gets too hot.
When are the fat lazy oil companies (the worst-british one, I used to work for) need to start plowing some of their massive windfall profits back into more rigs and more refineries. Its just lazy and greedy to witness a huge rise in demand (India and China) but do nothing about production..and then sit back and let Wall street, and speculators, elevate world oil prices, thus increasing their profits for doing nothing.
I am a Capitalist, but the world market is becoming its own worst enemy like a scorpion stinging itself to death as it gets too hot.
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Peak Oil
Hi Y'all,
Another have from the 1970's. I have no doubt that there is a lot more oil out there - but is is a matter of economics, just as extraction from the Athabasca oil sands is. Once, it is was not economical to extract, and now it is. Funny that.
Ironically, there is enough oil in the oil sands to supply both Canada and the USA for the next 200 years (and that is a conservative estimate). If peak oil has indeed been reached (and it may have been in the USA, but they are not the be-all-and-end-all of oil production), then how is it that global oil extraction has been increasing at about 1 million bbl per year since the early 1990's? Strikes me that it's just another "have" to drive up the price of oil. Add to that the very lucrative futures market and uncertainty over supply due to war and sabotage, and you have the reason why we pay so much at the pumps (and in the case of NZ, the 50% tax we pay on gas).
There are some very interesting articles on "Peak Oil". I would like to suggest that the problem lies not so much on the amount that is being extracted from the earth, but how much is actually being processed. There has been, in the past ten years, very little money invested in new refineries globally. Instead of building new refineries, the oil companies have been running their existing refineries at over capacity (by this I mean that the usual capacity rating is at 85% to allow for maintenance schedules - instead they are at 95% - esp. in the US). This margin is too close - one refinery out and we all pay more at the pumps because of "supply uncertainty". Sounds like a load of bollocks.
It still amuses me that we bitch about the price of petrol, but I recently succumbed to extreme thirst and bought a bottle of water, at the extortionate price of $2.17 for 750 ml.
Bring on 100% ethanol at the pumps! Getting pissed will be so cheap!!!
-400R
Another have from the 1970's. I have no doubt that there is a lot more oil out there - but is is a matter of economics, just as extraction from the Athabasca oil sands is. Once, it is was not economical to extract, and now it is. Funny that.
Ironically, there is enough oil in the oil sands to supply both Canada and the USA for the next 200 years (and that is a conservative estimate). If peak oil has indeed been reached (and it may have been in the USA, but they are not the be-all-and-end-all of oil production), then how is it that global oil extraction has been increasing at about 1 million bbl per year since the early 1990's? Strikes me that it's just another "have" to drive up the price of oil. Add to that the very lucrative futures market and uncertainty over supply due to war and sabotage, and you have the reason why we pay so much at the pumps (and in the case of NZ, the 50% tax we pay on gas).
There are some very interesting articles on "Peak Oil". I would like to suggest that the problem lies not so much on the amount that is being extracted from the earth, but how much is actually being processed. There has been, in the past ten years, very little money invested in new refineries globally. Instead of building new refineries, the oil companies have been running their existing refineries at over capacity (by this I mean that the usual capacity rating is at 85% to allow for maintenance schedules - instead they are at 95% - esp. in the US). This margin is too close - one refinery out and we all pay more at the pumps because of "supply uncertainty". Sounds like a load of bollocks.
It still amuses me that we bitch about the price of petrol, but I recently succumbed to extreme thirst and bought a bottle of water, at the extortionate price of $2.17 for 750 ml.
Bring on 100% ethanol at the pumps! Getting pissed will be so cheap!!!
-400R
there is enough oil in the oil sands to supply both Canada and the USA for the next 200 years
"supply both Canada and the USA" - and what about the rest of the world ?
'Peak oil' for USA oil production in the 70s was fairly educational.
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Athabaska Oil Sands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_Tar_Sands.
I don't believe all I read, but Discovery Channel seems to bear this one out.....
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I don't believe all I read, but Discovery Channel seems to bear this one out.....
400R
Hmmm
So if they're really green... wonder if little Robbie is still driving that Aston??
Peak oil... another fantasy. Plenty of the stuff left.
There's a whole lot of speculators making a lot of money out of gullible people at the moment.
It's tulips all over again.... contango...
Peak oil... another fantasy. Plenty of the stuff left.
There's a whole lot of speculators making a lot of money out of gullible people at the moment.
It's tulips all over again.... contango...
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Basic Physics
As for the carbon cycle - well, it's where most people seen to get a little lost. How many of you remember from basic physics/chemistry that matter can neither be created nor destroyed? The form simply changes. So carbon that was "fixed" from the atmosphere in the carboniferous period (where, incidentally, the %age CO2 was nearly 600 times what it is now, but temperatures were similar, according to the Vostok bores) is now being released to the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels. This CO2 will be re-fixed by trees on our landmasses and algae in the oceans, and will, in time, be reborn as, you guessed it, OIL. It is all part of Earth's natural cycle. My point here is that the Earth is naturally carbon neutral
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Somebody may have beaten me to it but....
Maybe the Green Party will be able to be redeployed in November after the election, back to their "patches" in the Coromandel, and use this to help the national carrier.
Or even put the "mob" and the "power" to use instead of beating each other senseless in PMR and WAG, or even good ole "Parry"!
Maybe the Green Party will be able to be redeployed in November after the election, back to their "patches" in the Coromandel, and use this to help the national carrier.
Or even put the "mob" and the "power" to use instead of beating each other senseless in PMR and WAG, or even good ole "Parry"!
