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Old 4th Jun 2008, 10:43
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what the hell is CatIII CatII or whatever??
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Old 4th Jun 2008, 10:44
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Auckland alternate:

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Old 4th Jun 2008, 10:56
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'flyer_18-737' whatever the Hell that means..

If you follow this link, it will answer your question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_landing_system


If you managed that alright, you might be able to get a job as a pilot here...

Pilot Jobs for anyone going cheap.

good luck.

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Well if you can get the low cost airlines to pay for it, low vis is the go, but they won't, they'd rather screw the pax.
If by some miracle they did get it, sim would be even more rushed and unrealistic! Lets see, on my last sim I did, TCAS, GPWS, Windshear, EFOTO, SE go-round, RTO, engine relight, now lets race thru low vis landings.
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Give me strength

If by some miracle they did get it, sim would be even more rushed and unrealistic! Lets see, on my last sim I did, TCAS, GPWS, Windshear, EFOTO, SE go-round, RTO, engine relight, now lets race thru low vis landings.
Thats just the day 1 sim for most crews in other parts of the world.....
Are you saying you big bad Ozzie pilots can't keep up with the pace?
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Old 5th Jun 2008, 08:32
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Quote: kiwi engingeer_12:
Ohakea is also an approved widebody alternate. Limited ground support, but it is used regulary, as its only 30mins or so flight time south of AKL.
A year or two ago it had 3 B747s, 1 A340-600, and a B777-200 all divert there at the same time due to fog in AKL (before AKL went CAT III)
Actually, after that incident the CAA sent a letter to all airlines stating that OHA cannot be filed as an alternate. NZ is the only one permitted in use OHA now as they pay the Air Force an annual fee.

The CAA were not happy that some airlines overflew perfectly good alternates in Australia on the way to New Zealand in the knowledge that both AKL and CHC were below minimums. (No CAT-II, let alone III at that time).

Australia has a lot of alternatives (when compared to New Zealand) in los vis situations. The major issue in AKL now is no ground surveillance radar, so ground movements are limited to one at any one time. Reduces to about 6 aircraft movements an hour, with long-haul arrivals first priority.

It'd be nice to see 16R CAT-IIIb at SYD though.... [/dream mode off...]
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Old 5th Jun 2008, 09:26
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Ever noticed how many new retail outlets there are at airport terminals these days?

Why would you be in a hurry to get people to where they're going when you can fleece 'em on the ground.

Believe it or not!
 
Old 5th Jun 2008, 13:35
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Lets see, on my last sim I did, TCAS, GPWS, Windshear, EFOTO, SE go-round, RTO, engine relight, now lets race thru low vis landings
Allowing time for simulator resets it would normally take 3 minutes of simulator time to undertake say 3 TCAS events, plus no more than 3 minutes for a GPWS escape manoeuvre, engine failure at V1 and go takes about five minutes by the time the last of the flaps are up, single engine go-around takes five minutes max depending on how far away from the landing runway you start the final approach, RTO takes max of two minutes and engine relight will take around 3 minutes max. The windshear escape manoeuvre takes around 10 minutes with resets. Total: 31 minutes out of a normal simulator session for one pilot of two hours. Not exactly over-worked if you know your SOP's...
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Old 5th Jun 2008, 22:55
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It'd be nice to see 16R CAT-IIIb at SYD though....
There would probably have to be fairly significant relocation of taxiways and buildings to allow upgrade of the 16R ILS. Having said that, 34L is looking ripe for CAT II enhancement, perhaps not so far away.

CAT III-equivalent GLS would be the logical strategy for future improvements.
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Old 6th Jun 2008, 02:23
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Have done autoland in SYD using GLS.

Paperwork only needed to upgrade it to Cat3, and install GLS receivers in more jets, the ground installation is there! Casa/airservices is the holdup.
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Old 6th Jun 2008, 06:05
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Oh dear

Flyer 18-737 - please don't read the Age website on how CATIII works

Flying blind - how to land in fog

1. Under a category III rating, which allows planes to land in fog, the control tower communicates with the pilot to direct the plane down where the pilot has no visibility.

2. A software program is used as well to locate the plane and direct it towards the runway.

3. On the ground high intensity lighting along the centre line of the runway also needs to be fitted.
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