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Old 2nd Jun 2008, 05:42
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When the A380 is online, would anyone go to VA over QF
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Their going broke before they started.............Thats different!
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Its only going to get worse for them. That 2 years to get profitable with V'Australia might turn into well...never
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Old 2nd Jun 2008, 07:41
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New Routes?

Redfern, Balmain perhaps...
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Old 2nd Jun 2008, 08:36
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Ticket sales

Put it this way....there are still HEAPS of seats to buy...I just checked the official VAustralia website.....I would guess around 10% of the flights to LA are full.
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Bring on some Sales VA!
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Old 2nd Jun 2008, 09:54
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Where does the the V Australia flight start from?

I think I read somewhere that the VAustralia flight from Sydney to LA originates in Brisbane.....

ie the 777 -300ER lives in Brisbane and travels to Sydney and then to LA.

Does anyone know if this is true?......
If so do you think cabin crew would be able to be based in Brisbane?
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Old 2nd Jun 2008, 10:57
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what about

If the sectors are BNE-SYD-LAX then LAX-SYD-BNE that means the 777 will be sitting on the ground in BNE for a good 6-8 hours from in the morning till it leaves again that arvo. dont think it will start in BNE
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Good point

Good point Dixsons Son.......They are going to loose money if they on the ground...don't think they will want that.....
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Old 2nd Jun 2008, 21:57
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But they are going to lose money if its in the air also
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Old 2nd Jun 2008, 23:09
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flyer 18 747...how do you work that out?

Cost base for VA cheaper than QF.
777 cheaper to operate per seat than 747.
Pax disgruntled with QF and UA service standards and ripoff prices.
Virgin brand strong in both US and Australia.
Oncarriage with Northwest.

Regardless of fuel prices, sounds like a market ripe for the picking.
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Old 3rd Jun 2008, 00:22
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I understand that the SYD-LA route has substantial traffic but hopefully those wise people at V have looked at other options to the US. I reckon running a 777 PER-BN-LA would be a good option (though admit i havent looked at the fleet usage time). I also would think that there are plenty of under-utilised US destinations that could be opened up.

This may have been done ages ago but why pick that livery? From a distance there is a slight resembelance to another australian airline (ambush marketing maybe?). It has some similarities with Virgin Atalantic but little with VB.
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Old 3rd Jun 2008, 05:24
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Given the competitive advantage VA have over QF in almost every aspect I would suggest they consider (not nec in order):

* Double daily SYD-LAX
* Daily MEL-LAX
* Daily MEL-SYD-YVR
* 4 x Weekly BNE-LAX
* 3 x Weekly SYD-PER-JNB
* Daily MEL-SYD-SFO
* Daily SYD-TYO
* Daily MEL-BNE-TYO
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Old 3rd Jun 2008, 11:08
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CX punches out SYD-HKG 4 times a day. Why not that too? Will link in with VS.

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Old 3rd Jun 2008, 11:14
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Sydney to New Zealand and/or Perth (to start with)

Hot off the press....

V Australia are going to start with going to New Zealand and/or Perth while the 777-300ER's are on the ground...

Then go to more destinations early next year when the other 777-300ER's arrive..like
BN-LA
ML-LA
AKL-LA
SY-Shanghai
SY-HKG
SY-San Fransisco
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Old 3rd Jun 2008, 20:35
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Starting up an airline whilst there is a dowturn in the economy is like trying to start a car on a hill while rolling backwards.

Fuel cost has a much larger effect on longhaul flights than it does on short haul. The longer routes they fly the greater the cost..... I appreciate they have one of the best aircraft to deal with this, but there are other factors that will make profitability very difficult. They will not only need to fill every seat on the plane, they will also need to charge a very high premium for some of these seats (im not sure they offer a service that justifies this?). Id be very suprised if V could make money by filling up a plane with low cost saver seats. Air NZ operates the 200ER on long haul routes and the only reason its still profitabile with todays fuel prices is the businesss class seats that bring in the high end dollars. If Air NZ had a plane full of Economy seats or specials I know for a fact that they wouldnt break even.

The year ahead is going to be a very tough one for airlines. If airlines had a choice they would park all their planes and wait for the storm to pass over. They cant do this, so instead they must attempt to minimise their losses in the best possible way. The fact that V oz are starting in this environment is going to make for some very interesting times.
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Old 3rd Jun 2008, 20:54
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Starting up an airline whilst there is a dowturn in the economy is like trying to start a car on a hill while rolling backwards.
Do you lot have a reverse gear in NZ?

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Pacific Open skies from July/August?

There's a rumour quietly circulating that the Kevin07 team will release any Australian restrictions on the Pacific airways from July or August.

That will make it tough for any South Pacific airlines; particularly start-ups.
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Fuel cost has a much larger effect on longhaul flights than it does on short haul.
Only one word I wanted to follow this quote, but the program won't accept my post with only one word, which is:

Discuss.
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Old 4th Jun 2008, 05:39
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Fuel cost has a much larger effect on longhaul flights than it does on short haul.
I could be wrong but the way I understood it goes like this.

Longer routes=more fuel to get from A to B (thats fairly obvious)

More fuel=More weight

More weight=higher fuel burn per mile

On average an Ultra-long haul aircraft will take off with heavier weights than a shorter haul aircraft. resulting in lower ceilings and higher fuel burns....... Im talking about the same plane that flies 12-14 hours sectors VS one that flies 8-10 hours. could be telling porkies, correct me if im wrong.

Back to the subject..... When are these planes suppose to arrive?
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