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Old 22nd May 2008, 03:08
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When does he GO?

The Leader telling the truth!

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No misuse of context there of course...
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Old 22nd May 2008, 04:37
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Clever though Flick.

Naughty, but clever.
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just a stab out of the dark.
you wouldnt happen to be the pilot that made this blog abuot qantas
http://www.qantaspilot.com/
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Old 22nd May 2008, 09:43
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"I'm sorry, I don't apologise." ?????? Maybe my english isn't too good but am I missing something here?
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As Mao said....

The rising tide lifts all boats...

Dixon has been nothing except lucky. His one track approach to reduce costs shows his spectacular lack of depth-the other side of the equation is to grow revenue. His pursuit of J* at all costs with no regard for any part of the business that actually returns its cost of capital is evidence of his inability to conceptually understand the notion of yield.

J* has been an industrial exercise, nothing more.

Highly elastic demand
one way markets
no brand penetration

an exercise in stupidity.
Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result is insanity...Unfortunately our corporate governance doesn't reveal the folly of his J* debarcle, the shareholders are none the wiser. At least not yet.

As the financial clouds gather, this group of very untalented "managers" who have risen with all boats as the tide came in may well be revealed to be swimming naked as the tide recedes....

For Dixon however he will be long gone. Maybe the Olympics, maybe the A380. He will be sitting on a beach earning 20% when the tide goes out and exposes the stupidity of killing mainline and "growing" an elastic demand, unproven airline with no brand penetration into one way markets where quite often the parent could not make a buck.... Clever accounting has seen the costs hived to mainline, the lack of corporate governance aiding and abetting the lie.

For the sake of us left behind, I hope he goes before it is too late and the company redirects its effort to where the business makes money.It may seem clever marketing spin, but the brand is Qantas....
May his forthcoming retirement be celebrated As an observer of many businesses over the years I have never seen such a peculiar and untalented person, so devoid of culture, so incredibly unengaging, so arrogant and so divisive.It starts from him and the acidity flows all through the company...Mind you, what goes around will eventually come around.....
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Talking Herb Kelleher available!

I found this on another aviation website. He may be a great replacement for Geoff!

Southwest's Herb Kelleher steps down

The Herb Kelleher era ended this week, at Southwest Airlines, with one final plume of cigarette smoke and Kelleher's cackling laugh as he shook hands with adoring employees and shareholders.
Few executives are as closely identified with their company as Kelleher is with Southwest, the Texas puddle-jumper he built into a low-fare, no-frills giant and the most consistently profitable carrier in the country.

Kelleher stepped down Wednesday as chairman after presiding over his 31st annual shareholder meeting, a festive and emotional farewell at the company's headquarters.
The pilots union gave Kelleher a framed photo of him in the cockpit. Others gave him T-shirts, a needlework coat of arms, and a laudatory video. There were plenty of jokes about Kelleher's love of whiskey. 'I'm Lucky Herbie for having all these years with all of you,’ Kelleher said, his voice cracking, barely able to choke out some of the words.

Source: The Associated Press
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Problem is he genuinely believes Qantas staff, and not just the pilots, are a liability.
Modern and progressive management would consider the opposite and nurture an asset such as staff.
Current events and not quarterly results may ultimately provide a clearer picture as to the long term health of the company.
I guess that time will prove his thinking correct or not.
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QF Insider,

A real first here at Prune, quoting history's undoubted greatest mass killer as your opening source.

Secondly...your inability to spell "debacle" let alone understand one....tells all.

QF 1 was a debacle. QF Legacy operations are a debacle. 744 S/Os getting paid 150 k is a debacle. Jetstar is simple an idea whose time has come. Good or bad is irrelevant....just the facts ma'am.

Other than that....PM me if you'd like a lucid explanation of why Jetstar has helped save your job at the Flying Museum.

Best wishes

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Old 25th May 2008, 10:53
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QF s/o's getting 150K is not a debacle. Every s/o should get 150K.
Fleet pay will fix it, eh Keg?
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A real first here at Prune, quoting history's undoubted greatest mass killer as your opening source.
Sean Lemass was a killer??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_risin...ifts_all_boats
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Hey Genex,
Don't believe all the propaganda you are fed from J*.
Today's headline says it all. J* to employ 75 foreign pilots because they can't find enough suitable Aussie candidates. More like trying to control the wages growth equation in a market of deminishing returns. There will be comparisons drawn between 457 visas, foreign pilots and that date nearly twenty years ago, under a Labor government. I can't believe Gillard is allowing this crap. Be interesting to see how the ACTU, AIPA and tha AFAP handle this.
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Other than that....PM me if you'd like a lucid explanation of why Jetstar has helped save your job at the Flying Museum
genex, why should we resort to PMs? I am sure we are all keen for a bit of a lesson, so please enlighten us!
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Old 26th May 2008, 03:41
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Here we go again!!!?!!

Genex,

We (S/Os) don't all earn 150k!!!

I WISH I DID.

Those that might reach that amount do it because of the allowances (of which a large portion must be spent to survive whilst in slip ports). Not much allowance can be saved, unless you want to carry around two minute noodles everywhere!

Yes, it is still much better than my previous working conditions.

This is probably opening me up for multiple attacks...
 
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Hooray for Genex....... All qantas mainline blokes, like myself, should burn at the stake.
As for your legacy line, mate what are you on. I wouldn't have a clue what goes on in Jetstar, and I place a bet you have no idea what goes on in mainline. I came back from a heavy jet job overseas and can say that the legacy costs have a minimal amount to do with pilots but a lot to do with outdated systems in place that Qantas mainline uses, ie IT sytems mainly, and also the associated costs of supporting Jetstar. An example, Why is Qantas spending in excess of $350000/month in sending mainline people all over the world to train on airbus sims when they don't have access to their own sim? Why isn't jetstar sending blokes overseas at the same rate? Oh, that's right, it will hammer your bottom line, your operating costs. It would be dangerous if they looked like legacy costs. What about fuel? What about engineering, etc, etc.
I'm sure the way Jetstar flies the 330 is very similar to the way QF flies their's. I understand that your JPC has a distinct hate for all things qantas mainline. Especially the line that AIPA is only there for 400 captains. Unfortunately they probably only make up around 10% of the pilot group, so it's a flawed argument.
What some Jetstar pilots fail to grasp is the ultimate death of QF mainline terms and conditions will have a real impact on you guys.
Lets move on a few years. QF mainline contract is dead. QF decides to takeover someone else. They use this company to introduce the 787. All of a sudden your terms and conditions appear very legacy like and the whole ugly saga begins again. Over the last few years you have done nothing to endear yourselves to any other pilot group in the country. One only has to look at what you achieved for the NJS guys when they were handed(?) the 717s. Oh that's right, you and the JPC organised or negotiated a deal that then required the NJS people to take a pay cut to remain in jobs. How opportunistic of you. Now, that is something QF mainline guys have never done to another group.
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Old 26th May 2008, 04:33
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Not only that, genex "sold" the latest jq EBA allowing 457 visa holders to his brothers as a great deal. Bravo genex, bravo.
When assessing the credibility of genex's posts, bear that in mind.
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The post was not intended to push the old chestnut of who is better..

My point related to the fact that the rising tide lifts all boats..And as Warren Buffett remarked it is only when the tide goes out you see who was swimming naked.

As such Geoff Dixon benefitted from the big bull market, high revenues due a prolonged property bubble and demographic factors the likes of which have never been experienced in western history.

In demography is destiny...Who said that?

The storm clouds build, financially the tide is on the way out and to paraphrase Willie Walsh BA CEO on the weekend, "airlines that don't price in "cost" will fail" He went on to name Ryan Air, Easy Jet.

To sort of wrap it up for you Genex, if Dixon is swimming naked, then maybe J* isn't as he wanted you to think.It may not be a great idea to assume that your career may not take a turn for the worse...

Of course Qantas under a new CEO looking closely at revenues, yields and Contribution margin wouldn't sell off an under performing airline with soft demand would they?
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"Of course Qantas under a new CEO looking closely at revenues, yields and Contribution margin wouldn't sell off an under performing airline with soft demand would they?"

We can only hope...it would be truly enlightening to see how Jetstar survived without the support of a "legacy airline".

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It would be way more enlightening to see how the legacy airline fared without Jetstar......
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Why don't you do us all a favour, genex, and read the last Qantas yearly report. Then let us know the profitability of each business unit.
THEN try repeating your above statement with a straight face....
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