"The management of this company has contributed far more to its wellbeing and success
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"The management of this company has contributed far more to its wellbeing and success
"The management of this company has contributed far more to its wellbeing and success than any bloody union has,"
if that quote attributed to Mr. Dixon is correct, and you follow the "union IS the employees" theory it is one of the most breathtakingly arrogant statements I have ever read.
if that quote attributed to Mr. Dixon is correct, and you follow the "union IS the employees" theory it is one of the most breathtakingly arrogant statements I have ever read.
Well well....
I would suggest then that the 'any bloody union'(s) simply withdraw ALL
'contributions' immediately for 1 day!
That's ALL 'bloody unions' folks.........
Then see how well Mr Dixon is able to successfully manage HIS company's
'wellbeing'.....
1 day SHOULD be sufficient........
An 'interested' SLF....
I would suggest then that the 'any bloody union'(s) simply withdraw ALL
'contributions' immediately for 1 day!
That's ALL 'bloody unions' folks.........
Then see how well Mr Dixon is able to successfully manage HIS company's
'wellbeing'.....
1 day SHOULD be sufficient........
An 'interested' SLF....
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Maybe what he meant to say was: 'This company has contributed far more to management's wellbeing and success than any bloody union has"
(And should we mention Geoff's involvement in the whole takeover debacle? Hell of a contribution there, Geoff.
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(And should we mention Geoff's involvement in the whole takeover debacle? Hell of a contribution there, Geoff.
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This statement, if true, would have to be on a par with the 'bus drivers' quote from the Hon. R.J. Hawke. And we all know what that led to!
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This is another direct quote from Mr Dixon:
Sooner he goes the better.
FOG
“I know some CEOs say look after your customers, look after your employees, and the returns for shareholders will follow. I do the exact opposite.”
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I was gong to make a comment here, but will not.
It would probably be libelous.
Mr G D has a lot of wonderful and true departed Airline people from cleaners to Pilots turning in their graves. Look at the way it used to be Geoffrey - there is a good deal you could learn mate.
Quel domage.
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edited for housing commission brain patterns.
It would probably be libelous.
Mr G D has a lot of wonderful and true departed Airline people from cleaners to Pilots turning in their graves. Look at the way it used to be Geoffrey - there is a good deal you could learn mate.
Quel domage.
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edited for housing commission brain patterns.
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Actually, if the quote is attributed to GD, then it seems to me that he is correct. From the AFAP website:
And from the ALAEA:
Nothing in either statement about contributing to a company's wellbeing and success. Oh well...next subject.
The role we have as a trade union is to protect and improve the conditions of employment for its members.
As a professional association, the members and Federation's staff are active in promoting flight safety and improving Australian and Global aviation standards.
As a professional association, the members and Federation's staff are active in promoting flight safety and improving Australian and Global aviation standards.
The ALAEA is a federally registered Australian organisation that represents the industrial, technical and professional interests of Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineers (LAMEs) and other civil aircraft maintenance workers.
LR3:
I'm not astounded at all. I've been studying P@#*ks like this for five years after running into three of them, two holding positions of high authority and one in private life.
The world of business is just waking up to the phenomenon of narcissisists in management positions and the damage they do to organisations. The mainstream media have coined the term "Industrial Psychopaths" for these people (in the medical but not criminal sense). And their activities are coming under study, but as yet we don't have a test to weed them out.
The driver for their behaviour is a lack of self esteem that must be constantly reinforced by having other people recognise them in some way - narcissism is not about self love it is about love of the "reflection" of themselves as seen by others.
Main characteristics (this is not exhaustive).
1. Inability to empathise with humans.
2. Huge sense of entitlement.
3. Grandiose vision of self.
4. Inability to form long term relationships.
These people are often very hard working and intelligent. They rise far up the management tree very quickly by the simple process of stabbing their competitors in the back and managing "up" (ie sucking up) all the time and very effectively. Once in senior management roles, they hire others like them, because they like being sucked up to.
Their behaviours then become very like the overall behaviour of QF management, total disdain and contempt for their staff and sucking up still further - hence Dixon's total contempt for anyone but shareholders - including employees and the travelling public (remember the letter he sent to the residents of Hamilton Island? - classic narcissism!). Then of course there was the APA bid - classic sense of entitlement!
Usual symptoms in an organisation are "good" managers leaving in droves and their replacement with incompetent suckholes. After that, the workforce becomes demoralised as it is consistently talked down to, manipulated, treated badly, abused and generally ignored. Remember QF toying with it's engineering staff about whether they were going to outsource some of their operations overseas and then giving them twelve month reprieves? Classic narcissism, why would anyone but a narcissist be so deliberately cruel?
Of course, for a while HR folk have thought that in some cases having a psychopath in charge of an ailing company is a good thing. They can sack thousands and close plants at the stroke of a pen with absolutely no bad conscience at all. They do "ruthless" very well and still sleep well at night. But they have to be removed after they have performed surgery on the company otherwise they will eventually destroy the organisation just for fun and to watch the pain they cause.
That, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why Mr. Dixon can see no inconsistency between his own bloated remuneration, record profits, and offering his own employees an increase that is less than the rate of inflation..... he really doesn't see it, and wouldn't care if he did.
To put it another way, remember the joke about the lawyer who is visited by the devil and promised riches, power and a place in legal history books in exchange for the souls of his wife and unborn children? The punchline is the lawyer asking the devil "What's the catch?" That's the way narcissists think.
The reason we have got this way is through our good intentions - specifically making "merit" the only criterion for management appointments and turning a blind eye to gender, religion, university and school affiliations, club membership and class. Just remember narcissists do "merit" very, very well.
Of course making management appointments by "religion, university and school affiliations, club membership and class" implies that the people making the appointment have had the opportunity to actually know who they are appointing, having golfed or played school football with them over many years - that means that they know who is a P@#*k and who isn't. But they aren't allowed to do this these days.
It's fun, although sometimes disappointing, to spot them. Any time you see a high profile person get caught in criminal activity, and you find yourself asking "why ferchrissake would some one with his money and profile do something so bone shatteringly stupid?" you are looking at a narcissist.
Examples include, the late Rene Rivkin, also a certain judge who has allegedly covered up speeding fines by attributing the use of his car to foreign dead people and a media personality who was caught making a tiny but stupid insider trading deal.
What happens next at QF is predictable, just ask yourself what actions taken by QF would most aggrandise Mr. Dixon and his managers? My guess is that he will tell Sharan Burrows to (expletive deleted).
I'm totally astounded at the arogance (sic) of this P@#*k.
The world of business is just waking up to the phenomenon of narcissisists in management positions and the damage they do to organisations. The mainstream media have coined the term "Industrial Psychopaths" for these people (in the medical but not criminal sense). And their activities are coming under study, but as yet we don't have a test to weed them out.
The driver for their behaviour is a lack of self esteem that must be constantly reinforced by having other people recognise them in some way - narcissism is not about self love it is about love of the "reflection" of themselves as seen by others.
Main characteristics (this is not exhaustive).
1. Inability to empathise with humans.
2. Huge sense of entitlement.
3. Grandiose vision of self.
4. Inability to form long term relationships.
These people are often very hard working and intelligent. They rise far up the management tree very quickly by the simple process of stabbing their competitors in the back and managing "up" (ie sucking up) all the time and very effectively. Once in senior management roles, they hire others like them, because they like being sucked up to.
Their behaviours then become very like the overall behaviour of QF management, total disdain and contempt for their staff and sucking up still further - hence Dixon's total contempt for anyone but shareholders - including employees and the travelling public (remember the letter he sent to the residents of Hamilton Island? - classic narcissism!). Then of course there was the APA bid - classic sense of entitlement!
Usual symptoms in an organisation are "good" managers leaving in droves and their replacement with incompetent suckholes. After that, the workforce becomes demoralised as it is consistently talked down to, manipulated, treated badly, abused and generally ignored. Remember QF toying with it's engineering staff about whether they were going to outsource some of their operations overseas and then giving them twelve month reprieves? Classic narcissism, why would anyone but a narcissist be so deliberately cruel?
Of course, for a while HR folk have thought that in some cases having a psychopath in charge of an ailing company is a good thing. They can sack thousands and close plants at the stroke of a pen with absolutely no bad conscience at all. They do "ruthless" very well and still sleep well at night. But they have to be removed after they have performed surgery on the company otherwise they will eventually destroy the organisation just for fun and to watch the pain they cause.
That, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why Mr. Dixon can see no inconsistency between his own bloated remuneration, record profits, and offering his own employees an increase that is less than the rate of inflation..... he really doesn't see it, and wouldn't care if he did.
To put it another way, remember the joke about the lawyer who is visited by the devil and promised riches, power and a place in legal history books in exchange for the souls of his wife and unborn children? The punchline is the lawyer asking the devil "What's the catch?" That's the way narcissists think.
The reason we have got this way is through our good intentions - specifically making "merit" the only criterion for management appointments and turning a blind eye to gender, religion, university and school affiliations, club membership and class. Just remember narcissists do "merit" very, very well.
Of course making management appointments by "religion, university and school affiliations, club membership and class" implies that the people making the appointment have had the opportunity to actually know who they are appointing, having golfed or played school football with them over many years - that means that they know who is a P@#*k and who isn't. But they aren't allowed to do this these days.
It's fun, although sometimes disappointing, to spot them. Any time you see a high profile person get caught in criminal activity, and you find yourself asking "why ferchrissake would some one with his money and profile do something so bone shatteringly stupid?" you are looking at a narcissist.
Examples include, the late Rene Rivkin, also a certain judge who has allegedly covered up speeding fines by attributing the use of his car to foreign dead people and a media personality who was caught making a tiny but stupid insider trading deal.
What happens next at QF is predictable, just ask yourself what actions taken by QF would most aggrandise Mr. Dixon and his managers? My guess is that he will tell Sharan Burrows to (expletive deleted).
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Read an article in an American business journal that some US coporations are psych testing prospecive executives to detect sociopathic tendencies - if found, not disqualifying, but quite the opposite!
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I agree Sunfish, you have a good grasp of the basic psychology involved with this type of prick. It seems to be a failing of western society today that we choose our management based solely on performance and ignore good character completely.
It is amazing the things an individual will do to cover a basic lack of self-respect. Those with a higher sense of self-respect tend to gravitate to a 'happy medium' and those who are truly unhappy with themselves seem to loose all morality and follow the path you set out in your post.
Remember the school yard bully? Probably a kid with no self-respect and no self-worth.
One small (but I think important) addition to your post:
4. Inability to form long term meaningful personal relationships. Many of these arseholes maintain long term relationships with those who are deemed useful, when they are no longer useful they are then discarded.
A very interesting and insightful post Sunfish.
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It is amazing the things an individual will do to cover a basic lack of self-respect. Those with a higher sense of self-respect tend to gravitate to a 'happy medium' and those who are truly unhappy with themselves seem to loose all morality and follow the path you set out in your post.
Remember the school yard bully? Probably a kid with no self-respect and no self-worth.
One small (but I think important) addition to your post:
4. Inability to form long term meaningful personal relationships. Many of these arseholes maintain long term relationships with those who are deemed useful, when they are no longer useful they are then discarded.
A very interesting and insightful post Sunfish.
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Actually, if the quote is attributed to GD, then it seems to me that he is correct. From the AFAP website:
Quote:
The role we have as a trade union is to protect and improve the conditions of employment for its members.
As a professional association, the members and Federation's staff are active in promoting flight safety and improving Australian and Global aviation standards.
And from the ALAEA:
Quote:
The ALAEA is a federally registered Australian organisation that represents the industrial, technical and professional interests of Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineers (LAMEs) and other civil aircraft maintenance workers.
Nothing in either statement about contributing to a company's wellbeing and success. Oh well...next subject.
LODOWN That was easily the most profoundly IGNORANT comment I have read on this forum to date.
QF success is BUILT on it's "PERFECT ENGINEERING RECORD"
Herein lies the foundation of "SUCCESS"
Quote:
The role we have as a trade union is to protect and improve the conditions of employment for its members.
As a professional association, the members and Federation's staff are active in promoting flight safety and improving Australian and Global aviation standards.
And from the ALAEA:
Quote:
The ALAEA is a federally registered Australian organisation that represents the industrial, technical and professional interests of Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineers (LAMEs) and other civil aircraft maintenance workers.
Nothing in either statement about contributing to a company's wellbeing and success. Oh well...next subject.
LODOWN That was easily the most profoundly IGNORANT comment I have read on this forum to date.
QF success is BUILT on it's "PERFECT ENGINEERING RECORD"
Herein lies the foundation of "SUCCESS"
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speeeedy said
I like it,
lets plaster the airports around australia with FOG !!
It could be the catch cry of the QF workforce.......talking about the weather, of course!!
Sooner he goes the better.
FOG
FOG
lets plaster the airports around australia with FOG !!
It could be the catch cry of the QF workforce.......talking about the weather, of course!!
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What if your company CEO is a psychopath? What hope for us then?
Interesting segment on ABC science program "Catalyst" regarding corporate psychopaths.
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stori...1.htm#interact
To cut a long story short, these types do some harm to a company by driving "good" staff away. A consultancy group is employed by companies to seek out the corporate psychopaths in their ranks to try to find the cause of the staff exodus. Apparently corporate psychopaths "kiss up and kick down" the chain of command. Sound familiar?
And from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath
Hare's items
Main article: Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R)
Factor1: Aggressive narcissism
What if, by definition, the company (corporation) you work for is psychopathic?
In a nutshell, this doco lists the six defining criteria of a psychopath and shows how corporations meet all six of the criteria, when only meeting four is enough to clinically diagnose a patient as a psychopath.
I think I'll retreat to my cave, wear a hair shirt and join the Luddites.
Interesting segment on ABC science program "Catalyst" regarding corporate psychopaths.
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stori...1.htm#interact
To cut a long story short, these types do some harm to a company by driving "good" staff away. A consultancy group is employed by companies to seek out the corporate psychopaths in their ranks to try to find the cause of the staff exodus. Apparently corporate psychopaths "kiss up and kick down" the chain of command. Sound familiar?
And from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath
Hare's items
Main article: Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R)
Factor1: Aggressive narcissism
- Glibness / superficial charm - TICK (he always comes across so smoothly in TV interviews)
- Grandiose sense of self-worth - TICK (no explanation necessary - one of those "self-evident truths", i.e APA bid)
- Pathological lying - TICK (another of those "self-evident truths", as anyone in Sydney HM will tell you)
- Cunning / manipulative - TICK
- Lack of remorse or guilt TICK
- Shallow
- Callous / lack of empathy TICK
- Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - TICK
- Promiscuous sexual behavior - I heard a rumour about him and his secretary. True? False?
- Need for stimulation / proneness to boredom
- Parasitic lifestyle - TICK
- Poor behavioral control - TICK ("Management have done more for this company than any bloody union")
- Lack of realistic, long-term goals (HELLO!!! Why don't we destroy the biggest selling point this company has - it's safety record - by destroying it's organic Engineering? Let's save a buck at the risk of losing EVERYTHING when a QF plane smacks in and the cause is found to be shonky overseas maintenance. Where will your shareholders be then, GD?)
- Impulsivity - TICK
- Irresponsibility - TICK
- Juvenile delinquency
- Early behavior problems
- Many short-term marital relationships
- Revocation of conditional release
- Many short-term marital relationships
- Promiscuous sexual behavior (hmm...)
- Criminal versatility (Freight cartel)
What if, by definition, the company (corporation) you work for is psychopathic?
In a nutshell, this doco lists the six defining criteria of a psychopath and shows how corporations meet all six of the criteria, when only meeting four is enough to clinically diagnose a patient as a psychopath.
I think I'll retreat to my cave, wear a hair shirt and join the Luddites.
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Extract from 24.com May 16 2008.
Dickson should take note of this one especially after the cargo price fixing fine that QF has to pay (and more to come once the Europeans are done with him).
Shame on you GD, shame, shame, shame.
(British Airways) Chief Executive Willie Walsh, though, said he won't be taking his annual bonus that's worth up to £700 000
due to the troubled opening of Heathrow's Terminal 5. "I felt in the context of a disappointing opening of
Terminal 5 it would be inappropriate to take a bonus," he said on a conference call.
due to the troubled opening of Heathrow's Terminal 5. "I felt in the context of a disappointing opening of
Terminal 5 it would be inappropriate to take a bonus," he said on a conference call.
Shame on you GD, shame, shame, shame.
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Too late on the bonus' .
The execs took their's early this year ,before all the gloom and doom financial figures came out.
If rumours are correct the Exec bonus was circa $100 Million.
Worth every penny, NOT!
The execs took their's early this year ,before all the gloom and doom financial figures came out.
If rumours are correct the Exec bonus was circa $100 Million.
Worth every penny, NOT!
Sadly 'The Hill' Geoff Dixon is too old and arrogant to learn from anyone. FOG soon..... What is everyone around him, thinking, except "let's get as much as we can while it lasts".
FOG soon..... What is everyone around him, thinking, except "let's get as much as we can while it lasts".