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I've often wondered why QF didn't code share via NRT
Under oneworld all flights by alliance members are pro-rated equally, so actually QF could use JL or BA on the NRT-LHR route at the same cost without having to put their code on it at all.
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Mike 773:
That was my point!.
Why does QF FF awards flights allow bookings via NRT but you can't actually pay $ for the same route?. Last year I entered SY-LHR on-line and twice I got routed via NRT. I didn't book the flights as seperate one-way FF flights.
Whether you use $ or FF points the ticket is 'paid for' one way or another and reciprical rights etc. should apply.
I think it's more the case it was cheaper for QF to 'buy' my BA seat ex-NRT than use up valuable Kangaroo Route seats.
I've often wondered why QF didn't code share via NRT
Why does QF FF awards flights allow bookings via NRT but you can't actually pay $ for the same route?. Last year I entered SY-LHR on-line and twice I got routed via NRT. I didn't book the flights as seperate one-way FF flights.
Whether you use $ or FF points the ticket is 'paid for' one way or another and reciprical rights etc. should apply.
I think it's more the case it was cheaper for QF to 'buy' my BA seat ex-NRT than use up valuable Kangaroo Route seats.
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Jet Star dump Brizvegas - Japan routes
Jetstar reroutes to Gold Coast.
May 20, 2008 - The Australian.
JETSTAR has booted Brisbane off its destination list for flights to and from Japan, in favour of the Gold Coast.
The budget airliner announced it would begin daily long-haul international flights between Osaka, Japan's second biggest city, and the Gold Coast from October 1 to cater for an expected rise in demand.
But the move comes at a cost for Brisbane, which will no longer be part of Jetstar's Japan route.
Since March 2007, Japanese customers have been able to fly return to the Gold Coast via Brisbane.
Strong trade industry support in Japan and Australia led to the change, said Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway.
"The reason we've done this is very straightforward – it's market driven," he said.
"Over 75 per cent of the Japanese customers who fly on this route, their end destination is the Gold Coast."
Mr Westaway said fares had not been confirmed, but indicated the new route would be heavily marketed in Japan.
Ticket sales for the new flights will start on May 22, pending regulatory approval.
May 20, 2008 - The Australian.
JETSTAR has booted Brisbane off its destination list for flights to and from Japan, in favour of the Gold Coast.
The budget airliner announced it would begin daily long-haul international flights between Osaka, Japan's second biggest city, and the Gold Coast from October 1 to cater for an expected rise in demand.
But the move comes at a cost for Brisbane, which will no longer be part of Jetstar's Japan route.
Since March 2007, Japanese customers have been able to fly return to the Gold Coast via Brisbane.
Strong trade industry support in Japan and Australia led to the change, said Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway.
"The reason we've done this is very straightforward – it's market driven," he said.
"Over 75 per cent of the Japanese customers who fly on this route, their end destination is the Gold Coast."
Mr Westaway said fares had not been confirmed, but indicated the new route would be heavily marketed in Japan.
Ticket sales for the new flights will start on May 22, pending regulatory approval.
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i assume this will be an A330 service. OOL doesn''t at this stage have any A330 LAME''s and if it''s going to be daily i reckon they would need at least 6 trained LAME's. the logistics seem difficult already considering the LAME''s PIA and also the fact that the JQ A330's are heading for the hangar come september. JQ have already asked QF to cover CNS NGO while there fleet goes for C checks. Can anyone enlighten me on this topic with more facts?
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Gold Coast vs Honolulu
Finally someone has done what should have been years ago...direct flights linking Japan with Gold Coast.
But why Osaka.?
Why doesnt QF give up on CNS and fly directly to OOL?
You cant swim at any of the beaches in CNS due to the nasties.
You CAN swim at Waikiki.
There are a couple of large shopping malls on the Gold Coast.
There is one mall in CNS and its rubbish
HNL has Ala Moana and Pearl City.
CNS has a very very wet season
The Gold Coast has one
HNL doesnt have a wet season as such
Why isnt Western Australia promoted more to the Japanese?
The West Australian Coastline is breath taking and you can swim there.
The Margaret River area is marvellous.
For too long Australia has been one dimensional to the Japanese.
Someone might even see some reason to have direct flights from Japan to Uluru.
The Japanese and their travel agents are very savvy travellers.
For God Sake can someone, anyone try to make Australia more interesting to them.?
The Japanes love food and itss presentation
We have some of the highest quality produce in the world..some of the best restaurants and chefs......so what about wine and food tours?
Get some Japanese travel shows down here and show them what we've got.
Australian Airlines and the Peak Tourist bodies are run by one dimensional people with zero imagination.
Thats why tourism to this counrty is declining.
It has little to do with the exchange range.Look at HNL ...the exchange rate has never been favourable.
There 5 flights a day into HNL from Japan...full and Jumbos to boot
Lets get sophisticated...Australia is far more than Kangaroos and Koalas.
But why Osaka.?
Why doesnt QF give up on CNS and fly directly to OOL?
You cant swim at any of the beaches in CNS due to the nasties.
You CAN swim at Waikiki.
There are a couple of large shopping malls on the Gold Coast.
There is one mall in CNS and its rubbish
HNL has Ala Moana and Pearl City.
CNS has a very very wet season
The Gold Coast has one
HNL doesnt have a wet season as such
Why isnt Western Australia promoted more to the Japanese?
The West Australian Coastline is breath taking and you can swim there.
The Margaret River area is marvellous.
For too long Australia has been one dimensional to the Japanese.
Someone might even see some reason to have direct flights from Japan to Uluru.
The Japanese and their travel agents are very savvy travellers.
For God Sake can someone, anyone try to make Australia more interesting to them.?
The Japanes love food and itss presentation
We have some of the highest quality produce in the world..some of the best restaurants and chefs......so what about wine and food tours?
Get some Japanese travel shows down here and show them what we've got.
Australian Airlines and the Peak Tourist bodies are run by one dimensional people with zero imagination.
Thats why tourism to this counrty is declining.
It has little to do with the exchange range.Look at HNL ...the exchange rate has never been favourable.
There 5 flights a day into HNL from Japan...full and Jumbos to boot
Lets get sophisticated...Australia is far more than Kangaroos and Koalas.
Last edited by surfside6; 20th May 2008 at 11:07.
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surfside6 makes some good points however...
I'm not sure that swimming near Margaret River is a great idea....
Still, I suppose the chances are better with a shark than they are with a croc or a box jellyfish! 
The West Australian Coastline is breath taking and you can swim there.
The Margaret River area is marvellous.
The Margaret River area is marvellous.
In July, a male, 29, died after he was attacked by a shark near Western Australia's Margaret River.
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Kegmeister?
You must be having a slow day Keg Old Son.
SS6 post is pretty much on the money.
It didnt seem that he was suggesting anyone should swim at Margaret River.
WA has a very big and long coastline with plenty of safe places to swim and surf.
Margaret River is more reknowned for its wine.
Japanese TV is full of food,wine and travel shows.How many have been invited down to Australia to do an expose on just how good this place is to eat.
Koalas and Kangaroos are very 80s
SS6 post is pretty much on the money.
It didnt seem that he was suggesting anyone should swim at Margaret River.
WA has a very big and long coastline with plenty of safe places to swim and surf.
Margaret River is more reknowned for its wine.
Japanese TV is full of food,wine and travel shows.How many have been invited down to Australia to do an expose on just how good this place is to eat.
Koalas and Kangaroos are very 80s
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Has anyone noticed how little advertising there is for Qantas these days compared to Jetstar?
I think direct flights from Japan to the Gold Coast is a very good idea.
Typically the Japanese have very little time to spend and go home for a rest afterwards.If they fly direct to the Gold Coast and not waste time on bus travel from Brisbane it would appeal to them (and their travel agents).
The Gold Coast has beaches,a casino,theme parks,scenery,accommodation,shopping and even whale watching from Byron
SS6 is right and it's about time people who are paid a huge amount of money start earning it by promoting Australia instead of the usual cost cutting to enhance their bonus driven mentality.
I think direct flights from Japan to the Gold Coast is a very good idea.
Typically the Japanese have very little time to spend and go home for a rest afterwards.If they fly direct to the Gold Coast and not waste time on bus travel from Brisbane it would appeal to them (and their travel agents).
The Gold Coast has beaches,a casino,theme parks,scenery,accommodation,shopping and even whale watching from Byron
SS6 is right and it's about time people who are paid a huge amount of money start earning it by promoting Australia instead of the usual cost cutting to enhance their bonus driven mentality.
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been said before ...however.....
rule 1 - know your market
rule 2 - travel agents in the Japanese market are the biggest segment and therefore under current commercial conditions are the 'biggest customer'
rule 3 - agents are that and therefore agent commissions are kind of an important consideration for would be airlines, wholesalers and venues.
rule 4 - don't tell your (potentially) biggest customers to get stuffed and that you know their market better than they do.
Tix go on sale today ....I don't imagine it will be a sell out concert - but if it works, then OOL might be a nice gig for a few 330 LAMEs
AT
rule 2 - travel agents in the Japanese market are the biggest segment and therefore under current commercial conditions are the 'biggest customer'
rule 3 - agents are that and therefore agent commissions are kind of an important consideration for would be airlines, wholesalers and venues.
rule 4 - don't tell your (potentially) biggest customers to get stuffed and that you know their market better than they do.
Tix go on sale today ....I don't imagine it will be a sell out concert - but if it works, then OOL might be a nice gig for a few 330 LAMEs
AT
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Actually, I reckon $1K return for an eight hour each way journey with everything included (meals, drinks, etc) is not an unreasonable price.
I find it surreal that many today think that a $100 airfare from MEL-SYD is expensive but they think nothing of paying $80 for a cab ride from the airport to Parramatta!
I find it surreal that many today think that a $100 airfare from MEL-SYD is expensive but they think nothing of paying $80 for a cab ride from the airport to Parramatta!
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Route cutbacks
The axe will more than likely fall on Japan under the current review of international route profitablity.
It will be Jet* or transits in SIN or KL if you want a holiday in the land of the rising sun.
The QF network will shrink to about 8 or 9 destinations serviced by mainline.
The worlds smallest but most profitable airline.
In 5 0r 6 years time QF will be a freight company with a small off shoot carrying passengers to JNB LHR and LAX.
It will be Jet* or transits in SIN or KL if you want a holiday in the land of the rising sun.
The QF network will shrink to about 8 or 9 destinations serviced by mainline.
The worlds smallest but most profitable airline.
In 5 0r 6 years time QF will be a freight company with a small off shoot carrying passengers to JNB LHR and LAX.
In 5 0r 6 years time QF will be a freight company with a small off shoot carrying passengers to JNB LHR and LAX.
