Merged: 7.30 Report, Pilot's shortage (03 April 08)
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ABC 7.30 Report
Advertised preview of 7.30 Report (presumably Monday 31st) might be worth watching regarding the so called shortage of pilots in Australia.
No "So Called" about it mate.
Be interesting to see if the good Jurnos at the ABC achieve a balance. So far most of the reporting on this crisis has been a regurgitation of company spin!
Be interesting to see if the good Jurnos at the ABC achieve a balance. So far most of the reporting on this crisis has been a regurgitation of company spin!
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Don't hold yer breath, most of what (as you all know) is reported is utter rubbish and puff pieces, or the overblown rantings of a single person (pot calling kettle?) there sole reason is to appear that they are in the know and reporting something 'serious' or in the instance of the commercial channels a chance for CEO's etc to play down the whole story.
More drivel from a dying and increasingly irrelevant medium.
More drivel from a dying and increasingly irrelevant medium.
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I'll say it again................
There is NO pilot shortage in Australia, only a shortage of pilots wishing to work under ****ty T&Cs and poor remuneration !
There is NO pilot shortage in Australia, only a shortage of pilots wishing to work under ****ty T&Cs and poor remuneration !
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The perceived shortage will last as long as China and Japan continue to buy ship loads of rock (ore) from WA and QLD. With talk of the US economy possibly going into recession and a subsequent decline in demand for imports there is always a chance of the current growth in fly in - fly out and supporting charter operations being seriously wound back.
I certainly hope it doesn't happen as like many, I am enjoying the benefits of the boom.
I certainly hope it doesn't happen as like many, I am enjoying the benefits of the boom.
Wiskery, Very true. But where are these pilots that will not work under ****ty T&C's and poor remuneration? If they currently reside in Australia, then one must assume that they are now gainfully employed in other jobs. They are more than likely uncurrent and are not contributing to the profession.
If they are working overseas as pilots, then they are by definition not in Australia, and have no bearing on the local scene.
If there is a whole generation of potential aviators that have failed to take up the profession because of the ****ty T&C's and poor remuneration, then this becomes academic as we may never know just how many of these people may have earned a control seat in a commercial aircraft.
Please don't misunderstand me. I believe there is only one way to garentee the adequate supply of professional aviators into the future. Good T&C's and much improved remuneration. But make no mistake, untill the airline managers in this country come to grips with this fact, all these potential pilots will by and large continue to persue other careers and work for other carriers.
The fact that they may be waiting in the wings is irrelevent. The fact that they are not working as pilots here means that there is a pilot shortage in Australia!
If they are working overseas as pilots, then they are by definition not in Australia, and have no bearing on the local scene.
If there is a whole generation of potential aviators that have failed to take up the profession because of the ****ty T&C's and poor remuneration, then this becomes academic as we may never know just how many of these people may have earned a control seat in a commercial aircraft.
Please don't misunderstand me. I believe there is only one way to garentee the adequate supply of professional aviators into the future. Good T&C's and much improved remuneration. But make no mistake, untill the airline managers in this country come to grips with this fact, all these potential pilots will by and large continue to persue other careers and work for other carriers.
The fact that they may be waiting in the wings is irrelevent. The fact that they are not working as pilots here means that there is a pilot shortage in Australia!
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Committment???
If airlines will not give pilots some sort of committment before they spend their money, and a reasonable long term outlook, they cannot expect the pilots to do it.
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As Whiskery said:
The same applies to experienced LAE's in this country.
CASA and the industry say there is a shortage of experienced AME's & LAE's,but some airlines have made lots of theirs redundant in the last 24 months,and now they want them to come back on lesser T&Cs and a worse off remuneration package.
Maybe Kerry o'Brien will mention that when he speaks about the shortage pilots in Australian aviation,as really the two shortages are linked by a common factor,namely short sighted management.
I'll say it again................
There is NO pilot shortage in Australia, only a shortage of pilots wishing to work under ****ty T&Cs and poor remuneration
There is NO pilot shortage in Australia, only a shortage of pilots wishing to work under ****ty T&Cs and poor remuneration
CASA and the industry say there is a shortage of experienced AME's & LAE's,but some airlines have made lots of theirs redundant in the last 24 months,and now they want them to come back on lesser T&Cs and a worse off remuneration package.
Maybe Kerry o'Brien will mention that when he speaks about the shortage pilots in Australian aviation,as really the two shortages are linked by a common factor,namely short sighted management.
please....
...stop it!!! There is NO pilot shortage... I know of at least ten people (on pistons and turbo props) in QLD who are dying to get into VB because they missed out on JQ/QF psych tests/interviews...
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Well AB, just a shortage of suitable pilot applicants then!!!
Not all of us have the aptitude for airline flying. Just because there is an undersupply, it doesn't mean the airlines are going to allow someone who is not suited to their requirements to occupy a seat.
There is also currently a shortage of doctors - doesn't mean the local GP is automatically considered suitable as a specialist!
Not all of us have the aptitude for airline flying. Just because there is an undersupply, it doesn't mean the airlines are going to allow someone who is not suited to their requirements to occupy a seat.
There is also currently a shortage of doctors - doesn't mean the local GP is automatically considered suitable as a specialist!
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As much as there is plenty of evidence to show that there is a pilot shortage by way of planes being parked up against the fence etc. I have to agree with AQIS in some ways because I too know of a few guys that have tried for the airlines also with more hrs than you can poke a stick at & they didn't get a show! A few others that I know of who also tried to get in some time back now before all of this pilot shortage rubish hit the airwaves have recently been asked to come onboard! And those of you out there are thinking well they (the ones that have missed out) must be no good or something then think again 'cause most are flying far more demanding jobs than sitting there driving a bus ! I believe it's because the airlines still want mostly 'button pushers' who can 'spell', jump when told to & how high & not the ones that can think on their own two feet with heaps of experience 'cause these types of guys are the ones that in the airlines eyes have brains enough to want more for their expertese, by way of causing trouble. They (the airlines) want a new type of Aussie pilot to fly the ships mof the future, one that is not union orientated & can be moulded with less 'heat' than ever before.
The well known T&C's & poor wages isn't going to stop too many, if you want to be an airline pilot in the new world of slave labor this is what you get, don't like it? don't apply!
Pilot shortage?, maybe not quite yet but it's coming to that! Will be interesting to see what the ill-informed journo's believe.
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The well known T&C's & poor wages isn't going to stop too many, if you want to be an airline pilot in the new world of slave labor this is what you get, don't like it? don't apply!
Pilot shortage?, maybe not quite yet but it's coming to that! Will be interesting to see what the ill-informed journo's believe.
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Gidday AB.
Once upon a time, an "experienced" aviator may have waited years, even decades for a shot at the big time. Patience Grasshopper. This game has only just begun!
Once upon a time, an "experienced" aviator may have waited years, even decades for a shot at the big time. Patience Grasshopper. This game has only just begun!
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Aim Point,
I was referring to people who just can't get a VB interview...because you miss out on JQ/QF doesn't necessarily mean that you don’t have the aptitude... I hope you agree otherwise this thread will end up in a QF vs. VB bashing/discussion...
AB
I was referring to people who just can't get a VB interview...because you miss out on JQ/QF doesn't necessarily mean that you don’t have the aptitude... I hope you agree otherwise this thread will end up in a QF vs. VB bashing/discussion...
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