Merged: Ozjet aborts trans-Tasman plan due takeover bid!?
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For info. Taiwan only acted as the guarantor behind the purchase of the aircraft by the Nauru Phosphate Royalties Trust which is owned by the Nauruan Landowners. Let's get that fact straight guys.
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This is great
This has to take the cake as the most asinine thread on this entire site.
Two A320's, for gods sake????? And where would they fly them??
A 757, wow, someone here really has absolutely no f..... idea.
ON are doomed, like they were in the past, and like any airline that attempts to run a service to a small impoverished nation that has absolutely nothing to offer the rest of the world. Has a tourist ever been to Nauru, except under duress.?
Global warming, rising sea levels, oh yeah bring it on. Thank God for China and coal fired power stations.
Two A320's, for gods sake????? And where would they fly them??
A 757, wow, someone here really has absolutely no f..... idea.
ON are doomed, like they were in the past, and like any airline that attempts to run a service to a small impoverished nation that has absolutely nothing to offer the rest of the world. Has a tourist ever been to Nauru, except under duress.?
Global warming, rising sea levels, oh yeah bring it on. Thank God for China and coal fired power stations.
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Boob (you sure picked an appropiate name),the only people making this thread asinine are senile biitter unimformed fools who don't care how their horribly incorrect assumptions affect other peoples lives in order to have their 15 minutes of fame. You are dealing with peoples lives e.g. the airline employees and the people of the pacific nations who depend on the success of this operation. Every time this airline has dropped a service for whatever reason all the vultures have honed in sometimes doubling their airfares and ripping of the people who can afford it least. But don't you worry as your probably OK living where you have a comfortable life with abundent airservices. I suspect you have an axe to grind as you have offered no advice ,just a bitter selfish view of life which is sad for a man of 74 years.Maybe you and Kwajmate could form a club of people who think they know everything when in fact they know little. But then this is a rumour network so I guess your views fit well even if they are mostly incorrect. Anyhow it's like the TV if you don't like what your watching turn it off (or in your case don't read it)but don't stop others enjoying the show
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And maybe you may be being a bit liberal with the truth as well.
From what I am told the Norfolk Management didn’t want to pay the OJ charter rate and in their effort to be smarter than the average bear stuffed the charter, the passengers, and also stuffed around the regular Norfolk service and its passengers.
Way I see it, ON or OJ is not to blame. ON had a aircraft go tech, as airlines do, but unfortunately this was exacerbated by the fact that it is a single aircraft Airline. OJ obviously quoted a charter rate they considered appropriate to remain in business but obviously was not accepted by NLK management.
Perhaps blame should be levelled out on someone living on the island that lays between Aus and NZ.
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And maybe you may be being a bit liberal with the truth as well.
From what I am told the Norfolk Management didn’t want to pay the OJ charter rate and in their effort to be smarter than the average bear stuffed the charter, the passengers, and also stuffed around the regular Norfolk service and its passengers.
Way I see it, ON or OJ is not to blame. ON had a aircraft go tech, as airlines do, but unfortunately this was exacerbated by the fact that it is a single aircraft Airline. OJ obviously quoted a charter rate they considered appropriate to remain in business but obviously was not accepted by NLK management.
Perhaps blame should be levelled out on someone living on the island that lays between Aus and NZ.
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hey boobsy! do you have a problem with the nauruan people? why don't you give them some of your intelligent advise about how to run their own country and airline? don't say anything if you got nothing good to offer. you've got no idea what people out there go through on their daily lives. i've travelled many countries and made friends with all kinds of people but never have i come across someone so uneducated. where were you educated anyway?
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I think you're on the money, Feenix, with your assessment of Boobsie and he certainly doesn't understand the unique nature of aviation and remote island communities. From what I read of Boobsie's posts and those of Kwaj Mate, there is a lot of similarity - both full of criticism but short on substance. Possibly there is a good reason for this close similarity seeing Boobsie has only just appeared on the scene. If he was that informed about these matters I would have expected some input earlier. However, having said that, by the "value" of his contributions so far maybe it is fortunate that we've been spared his inane comments this long.
Boobsie, are you talking about yourself here with this quote:-
I think you fall into that category and look forward to your keeping away from here in future.
Boobsie, are you talking about yourself here with this quote:-
Just goes to show the amount of idiots that frequent this site.
down3gr33ns is correct.
OJ had an agreed charter price with NLK people to operate NLK AKL NLK (twice) for a group of around 100 from NZ to attend Country Music Festival on NLK.
OJ gets taken over and the charter price DOUBLES!
Perhaps new OJ owner realised they had a number of unpaid bills in NZ and they needed to pay up before they could operate. Only way to pay the bills - up the price of the charter.
Still a lot of bad blood over the OJ aborted trans-Tasman plan in NZ.
OJ had an agreed charter price with NLK people to operate NLK AKL NLK (twice) for a group of around 100 from NZ to attend Country Music Festival on NLK.
OJ gets taken over and the charter price DOUBLES!
Perhaps new OJ owner realised they had a number of unpaid bills in NZ and they needed to pay up before they could operate. Only way to pay the bills - up the price of the charter.
Still a lot of bad blood over the OJ aborted trans-Tasman plan in NZ.
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The Norfolk management should be partially responsible for this curfufle. They gave ON the flick some years ago after ears of mostly uninterrupted service. There is always some smart arse from outa town to convince the Norfolk folks of the errors of their ways and the need to change to better solutions. In comes OJ and their promises of grandeur to Norfolks fragile economy. So here we are..square one, trying to reestablish trust, loyalty, and prosperity for all. What a rocky ride ON has had. I'm supremely confident that her relationship with the Norfolk people will once again reaffirm itself with time.
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Look inwards to the Norfolk airline management
There a lot of facts missing from this thread. For a start Wilson walked away from his Kiwi operation owing ON many thousands in unpaid charters. However that was a decade ago. Perhaps in his own warped manner he is trying to balance the books a little by his efforts to get ON back into NLK. Currently Ewan is trying to promote his own skills over Nick, as shown in the latest fiasco. Wilson tells OJ that they are not wanted for this charter. At the last moment ON falls over & OJ is asked to recover the flight. OJ is not interested (perhaps their scheduled operations have priority) and the 733 is operated with little revenue but great cost to all. Nick 1, Ewan 0 in this passage of play. Yes there are more sideline issues, some of it to do with ON charters taking precedence over scheduled services; some to do with the role Taiwan plays (and pays) in the overall structure; some to do with the intended operations into PNG with APNG's requirement for their own 733. Much also to do with the new ON CEO's background and past (forgettable) management roles. There are a lot of people in the party who have a lot to offer but who have no role to play. Others are fighting well over their weight divisions & will be picked off in time. The damage they cause on their way down and out will leave many others to clean up the mess. Just think back to the big names that have gone through the ON CEO position of late & remember their lack of effective management. Friends in OJ say there is a lot of action happening in this team, which will make NLK a very interesting arena in the immediate future.
OJ is not interested (perhaps their scheduled operations have priority)
The OJ 737-229 aircraft is positioned on NLK. It runs the scheduled operations of NorfolkAir. It is painted in NorfolkAir livery. It was on the ground in NLK with no scheduled operations to operate. It does nothing else but NLK ops. NorfolkAir has no scheduled ops on a Thursday according to their website - but the following post for Thursday ops effective 02 October is interesting
Norfolk Air to Bring the Gold Coast On Line
23rd May 2008
Norfolk Air will become the newest international airline to fly into the Gold Coast when direct flights begin to Norfolk Island on October 2 this year.
The flights will leave Gold Coast Airport, Coolangatta, at 10.30am every Thursday and arrive on the island at 2.05pm local time. Return flights will leave at 3.05pm the same day, arriving back on the Gold Coast at 3.50pm.
Strong growth over the past 14 months has seen Norfolk Air operating three services a week to Brisbane and Sydney and one to Melbourne and Newcastle. A second Melbourne service is to begin on September 1.
"The new Gold Coast service is a very exciting development for Norfolk Air because it will provide direct access into a catchment of more than a million potential passengers, many in our top market demographic" said Norfolk Air Commercial Manager Becky Nobbs.
Ms Nobbs said the new service, which would use a Boeing 737-300 offering 126 Economy and four Premium Economy seats, was bookable now via www.norfolkair.com and licensed travel agents.
Norfolk Air to Bring the Gold Coast On Line
23rd May 2008
Norfolk Air will become the newest international airline to fly into the Gold Coast when direct flights begin to Norfolk Island on October 2 this year.
The flights will leave Gold Coast Airport, Coolangatta, at 10.30am every Thursday and arrive on the island at 2.05pm local time. Return flights will leave at 3.05pm the same day, arriving back on the Gold Coast at 3.50pm.
Strong growth over the past 14 months has seen Norfolk Air operating three services a week to Brisbane and Sydney and one to Melbourne and Newcastle. A second Melbourne service is to begin on September 1.
"The new Gold Coast service is a very exciting development for Norfolk Air because it will provide direct access into a catchment of more than a million potential passengers, many in our top market demographic" said Norfolk Air Commercial Manager Becky Nobbs.
Ms Nobbs said the new service, which would use a Boeing 737-300 offering 126 Economy and four Premium Economy seats, was bookable now via www.norfolkair.com and licensed travel agents.
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You seemed very informed for someone living in remote Majuro or maybe thats why your statements are so incorrect. As Flying Monk pointed out you were wrong about OJ in Norfolk as you were about revenue for the charter. I think you will find both parties happy with the outcome of what could have been a potential stuff up. You have no idea (despite what you think ) of the relationship between the airline and Taiwan so why make it sound as if you do? ON are helping APNG in the search for their aircraft as both parties work well together and as seen in press releases intend to assist each other operationally.The new CEO was actually being sought by other paties so he can't be too badly thought of in the industry. Any way people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. With regard to others fighting beyond their weight division,they have done what people of your ilk have not managed to do which is without government money they have overseen the sucessful rebirth of the airline. I could comment more but people like you who hide behind false profiles would never admit they are wrong and that they don't really care about the Pacific nations but only their own self importance
You seemed very informed for someone living in remote Majuro or maybe thats why your statements are so incorrect. As Flying Monk pointed out you were wrong about OJ in Norfolk as you were about revenue for the charter. I think you will find both parties happy with the outcome of what could have been a potential stuff up. You have no idea (despite what you think ) of the relationship between the airline and Taiwan so why make it sound as if you do? ON are helping APNG in the search for their aircraft as both parties work well together and as seen in press releases intend to assist each other operationally.The new CEO was actually being sought by other paties so he can't be too badly thought of in the industry. Any way people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. With regard to others fighting beyond their weight division,they have done what people of your ilk have not managed to do which is without government money they have overseen the sucessful rebirth of the airline. I could comment more but people like you who hide behind false profiles would never admit they are wrong and that they don't really care about the Pacific nations but only their own self importance
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Feenix, yes, the Marshalls are a bit off line and perhaps information filtering through to this part of the world is a little out of date. Working for the local Government one can not say too much but my profile is fairly accurate.
Will now leave this thread to the experts to discuss in detail and hope that us mid-Pacific residents are given the promised air services in time. Am duly chastised and will return to my humble corner to watch the outcome of events in the next 6 months with interest.
Will now leave this thread to the experts to discuss in detail and hope that us mid-Pacific residents are given the promised air services in time. Am duly chastised and will return to my humble corner to watch the outcome of events in the next 6 months with interest.
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Some of you posters seem to think that this Norfolk Air/ON charter cluster didn't interfere with RPT service to Norfolk Island.
Norfolk Air cancelled an RPT service and its contracted airline and then substituted the ON 737 as a charter on the same route.
Appears to have been done in order to fund the relocation of the ON 737 to Norfolk so it could do the Norfolk Island - NZ charter. Apparently didn’t cause to many drama’s with the Norfolk Air ticketed passengers but did cause headaches and dramas for the passengers that had bought their tickets via QANTAS. Those couldn’t travel and had to wait for the QANTAS codeshare (OJ) aircraft to be available.
Another chunk of the saga occured when Norfolk Air cancelled the Brisbane – Norfolk RPT services again in order to substitue and fund the relocation of ON 737 to Norfolk only to have the ON 737 going tech.
On this occasion not only was it the QANTAS passengers mucked around but even the Norfolk Air passengers had dramas . Whilst quite a few were quite happy to stay on in Brisbane for an extra night many others accepted relocation flights order to make the regular (OJ) Sydney – Norfolk service. Also meant that the Norfolk Island - Brisbane passengers didn't get to Brisbane that day.
As I suggested before, someone trying to smarter than the average bear and everyone else paid the price.
And just a little bit of the history perspective from the region.
The original Norfolk Jet Express went into liquidation in 2005 owing money to the Norfolk Govt , vaious airports and maybe even Air Nauru (ON) due to having leased the 737 from them.
The Norfolk Island Government then talks QANTAS and Air Nauru into jointly providing a service for the Island…….but then Air Nauru got its one and only aircraft reprocessed by the bank.
So Sal-e, was it that the Norfolk Island Government gave ON the flick, or was it that ON wasn’t really in a position to perform.
Whatever, they seem to be friends again.
Norfolk Air cancelled an RPT service and its contracted airline and then substituted the ON 737 as a charter on the same route.
Appears to have been done in order to fund the relocation of the ON 737 to Norfolk so it could do the Norfolk Island - NZ charter. Apparently didn’t cause to many drama’s with the Norfolk Air ticketed passengers but did cause headaches and dramas for the passengers that had bought their tickets via QANTAS. Those couldn’t travel and had to wait for the QANTAS codeshare (OJ) aircraft to be available.
Another chunk of the saga occured when Norfolk Air cancelled the Brisbane – Norfolk RPT services again in order to substitue and fund the relocation of ON 737 to Norfolk only to have the ON 737 going tech.
On this occasion not only was it the QANTAS passengers mucked around but even the Norfolk Air passengers had dramas . Whilst quite a few were quite happy to stay on in Brisbane for an extra night many others accepted relocation flights order to make the regular (OJ) Sydney – Norfolk service. Also meant that the Norfolk Island - Brisbane passengers didn't get to Brisbane that day.
As I suggested before, someone trying to smarter than the average bear and everyone else paid the price.
And just a little bit of the history perspective from the region.
The original Norfolk Jet Express went into liquidation in 2005 owing money to the Norfolk Govt , vaious airports and maybe even Air Nauru (ON) due to having leased the 737 from them.
The Norfolk Island Government then talks QANTAS and Air Nauru into jointly providing a service for the Island…….but then Air Nauru got its one and only aircraft reprocessed by the bank.
So Sal-e, was it that the Norfolk Island Government gave ON the flick, or was it that ON wasn’t really in a position to perform.
Whatever, they seem to be friends again.
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A bit of both really. The repossession took place some time after the last NLK run. Effectively, I meant it from the point of view of the Norfolkers. They possibly saw it (repossession) coming though I doubt it. Our managers then probably did not have the confidence (or whatever) to solidify further agreements.
I hope this time, the friendship will last many many years and earn everyone lots and lots of money.
I hope this time, the friendship will last many many years and earn everyone lots and lots of money.
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I hope it all works out for both the Island and Air Nauru.
However some of the facts that need to be understood before every one get too euphorific, Norfolk has a population base that gets older by the minute, does not have much income besides tourism and not much in the way of grants. Zero taxes, with the exception of GST , departure taxes, bed taxes and airport landing fees.
Very little AUS AID goes that way except some interest free finance (the last airport upgrade was courtesy of a $12 million interest free but repayable loan from Aus).
The Government owned Norfolk Air has found itself into a pretty good position (and bear in mind that this started before the current - and soon to be leaving – manager was in place…funny enough was working for OJ before he went to NLK) after a few years with OJ.
However it this all pans out, no-one can really discredit the fact that Ozjet provided a service that offered great service, immediate back up when the weather went bad or one of its aircraft went tech and managed to codeshare with Qantas into Norfolk. Talk to those on the island and most would agree that that a very good service was provided to the island.
The local paper (The Norfolk ISLANDER) has announced that a contract has now been signed between the Norfolk Island Government and Our Airline on “FAVOURABLE COMMERCIAL TERM”S.
I hope Our Airline (which to comply with the contract has to provide Norfolk Air an ETOPS aircraft based on the island, most probably 7 days a week) recognizes the fact that it will be working for a very hard taskmaster – one that is a lot more demanding and less understanding than the friendly one they dealt with all those years ago.
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I hope it all works out for both the Island and Air Nauru.
However some of the facts that need to be understood before every one get too euphorific, Norfolk has a population base that gets older by the minute, does not have much income besides tourism and not much in the way of grants. Zero taxes, with the exception of GST , departure taxes, bed taxes and airport landing fees.
Very little AUS AID goes that way except some interest free finance (the last airport upgrade was courtesy of a $12 million interest free but repayable loan from Aus).
The Government owned Norfolk Air has found itself into a pretty good position (and bear in mind that this started before the current - and soon to be leaving – manager was in place…funny enough was working for OJ before he went to NLK) after a few years with OJ.
However it this all pans out, no-one can really discredit the fact that Ozjet provided a service that offered great service, immediate back up when the weather went bad or one of its aircraft went tech and managed to codeshare with Qantas into Norfolk. Talk to those on the island and most would agree that that a very good service was provided to the island.
The local paper (The Norfolk ISLANDER) has announced that a contract has now been signed between the Norfolk Island Government and Our Airline on “FAVOURABLE COMMERCIAL TERM”S.
I hope Our Airline (which to comply with the contract has to provide Norfolk Air an ETOPS aircraft based on the island, most probably 7 days a week) recognizes the fact that it will be working for a very hard taskmaster – one that is a lot more demanding and less understanding than the friendly one they dealt with all those years ago.
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OZ have advised staff they will be operating pax RPT against NorfolkAir/OA SYD and BNE to NLK, should the bum chums at NLK Air and OA get it on next year.
Why can't I ever get in on one of these kickback deals at Air Nauru/OA ?
HeavyLift also announced BNE NOU NLK BNE B727F service weekly.
Only room for one pax operator on this route who do you have your $$$ bets on ???.Old Air Nauru / OA with EX Kiwi Air / Orient bankrupt driving or the New OZ ?
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Why can't I ever get in on one of these kickback deals at Air Nauru/OA ?
HeavyLift also announced BNE NOU NLK BNE B727F service weekly.
Only room for one pax operator on this route who do you have your $$$ bets on ???.Old Air Nauru / OA with EX Kiwi Air / Orient bankrupt driving or the New OZ ?
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Sayallafter,
I'm just trying to work through what you posted above regarding a charter flight to NZ.
From what I can make out, Norfolk Air asked Our Airline to do it but didn't want to pay for a ferry flight out to Norfolk Island so they got Our Airline to operate a flight that Oz Jet normally would have done? And that flight couldn't carry any QF passengers so the manager at Norfolk Air would have left them stranded? And then the Our Airline aircraft broke down anyway.
That's unbelievable! Are you sure thas true?
Heavycargo, There would only be enough trde on the routes to Norfolk Island for 1 operator. Competition is usually good, but in this case, I'm not sure..
I'm just trying to work through what you posted above regarding a charter flight to NZ.
From what I can make out, Norfolk Air asked Our Airline to do it but didn't want to pay for a ferry flight out to Norfolk Island so they got Our Airline to operate a flight that Oz Jet normally would have done? And that flight couldn't carry any QF passengers so the manager at Norfolk Air would have left them stranded? And then the Our Airline aircraft broke down anyway.
That's unbelievable! Are you sure thas true?
Heavycargo, There would only be enough trde on the routes to Norfolk Island for 1 operator. Competition is usually good, but in this case, I'm not sure..