Jetstar Agree not to hire Qantaslink Pilots
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Jetstar Agree not to hire Qantaslink Pilots
I heard that Jetstar has made a non-formal commitment with M Day vee not to hire any more pilots from Qantaslink? Can anyone confirm this?
If this is the case, any aspiring jetstar pilot would be knee-capping themselves from a career with jetstar by joining Q'link. Something to think about...
If this is the case, any aspiring jetstar pilot would be knee-capping themselves from a career with jetstar by joining Q'link. Something to think about...
The more you hear these type of things the more you wonder just how big a gun they are using to shoot themselves in the foot.
They would solve most their crewing problems by offering a progression from QLink into Mainline. Pilots would queue up to spend a few years Right seat of a Dash then a few Left and then the opportunity to move into the big jets. Plus then QANTAS would have a supply of experienced and tested pilots for the Jets.
Actually that’s starting to sound a bit like recycling....
They would solve most their crewing problems by offering a progression from QLink into Mainline. Pilots would queue up to spend a few years Right seat of a Dash then a few Left and then the opportunity to move into the big jets. Plus then QANTAS would have a supply of experienced and tested pilots for the Jets.
Actually that’s starting to sound a bit like recycling....
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Jetstar Agree not to hire Qantaslink Pilots
RMC, I have been perusing posts on this site for a number of years. Your succinct post is the clearest simplest paradigm for success on so many levels!
Well Spoken!
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Well Spoken!
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Lucky
Just like the deal between REX and Virgin! Pleeese!
Jetstar must crew their aircraft. DJ must crew theirs. I wonder if the managers of the regional airlines can actually add? Because the numbers do not add up. The number of pilots required by the major airlines over the next 2-3 years greatly exceeds the total number of qualified pilots currently not employed by these airlines.
So what will DJ, Jetstar, QF do? Continue to employ as many qualified pilots as they need, or will they cancel their multi million dollar aircraft orders to protect the viability of the smaller operators.
What will the Regional Airlines do? Continue to lose people they cannot replace, or will they actively compete for labour and save their business.
It's not rocket science, but you could be excused for thinking it is!
Jetstar must crew their aircraft. DJ must crew theirs. I wonder if the managers of the regional airlines can actually add? Because the numbers do not add up. The number of pilots required by the major airlines over the next 2-3 years greatly exceeds the total number of qualified pilots currently not employed by these airlines.
So what will DJ, Jetstar, QF do? Continue to employ as many qualified pilots as they need, or will they cancel their multi million dollar aircraft orders to protect the viability of the smaller operators.
What will the Regional Airlines do? Continue to lose people they cannot replace, or will they actively compete for labour and save their business.
It's not rocket science, but you could be excused for thinking it is!
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I guess Jetstar and Qantaslink will just have to think about hiring foreign pilots....... oop's they already have started doing that!!! Makes sense to me that one subsidiary wouldn't put into jeopardy the operations of another by recruiting pilots from their ranks.
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I think you would find this sort of behaviour illegal? If it could be proven then the IRC and the union movement would have a field day. We all know nothing is secret in aviation and this sort of deal woud get a spotlight on it pretty quick. MD wouldnt want to try this **** on otherwise the drama bomb would be nuclear in magnitude.
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I think most QLink pilots call jetstar a last resort anyway...
Its all good, we'll just keep going to the opposition.
Its all good, we'll just keep going to the opposition.
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MyAngle, your theory makes no sense. The QF "organisation" would have greater concern in productivity of their capital equipment, rather than regional air services. To the contrary, I believe an ability to progress from regional to mainline does exist, under certain circumstances.
And if you were correct, in the absence of industrial seniority between corporate units of the QF "organisation", I doubt the IRC would have any jurisdiction or interest.
And if you were correct, in the absence of industrial seniority between corporate units of the QF "organisation", I doubt the IRC would have any jurisdiction or interest.
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We should all know by now that Oz airline "management" is reactive and not proactive.
The penny will finally drop with these people when A/C are parked and not a second before.
Progression to mainline is the answer to so many problems that the QF group faces re crewing levels. Why is that so hard for these clowns to understand?
They would rather lose pilots to the opposition.
Gee...............that makes sense !!!!!
The penny will finally drop with these people when A/C are parked and not a second before.
Progression to mainline is the answer to so many problems that the QF group faces re crewing levels. Why is that so hard for these clowns to understand?
They would rather lose pilots to the opposition.
Gee...............that makes sense !!!!!
MyAngle,
yes i can confirm this, it happened to me over a period of years. mark davey prevented me(and many others) from an opportunity with jetstar.
the solution was quite simple, within weeks of virgin blue announcing a sydney base i applied and was successfull(like many others).
in a nutshell, avoid qantaslink if you want to move within the qantas group.
regards hoss
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ps. i even managed to activate the lights at launy the other night.
yes i can confirm this, it happened to me over a period of years. mark davey prevented me(and many others) from an opportunity with jetstar.
the solution was quite simple, within weeks of virgin blue announcing a sydney base i applied and was successfull(like many others).
in a nutshell, avoid qantaslink if you want to move within the qantas group.
regards hoss
.ps. i even managed to activate the lights at launy the other night
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RMC, I have been perusing posts on this site for a number of years. Your succinct post is the clearest simplest paradigm for success on so many levels!
Well Spoken!
Regards
Lucky
Well Spoken!
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Deafstar, clearly from your post you are only a spectator in the Australian Aviation industry,
Quote...I think you would find this sort of behaviour illegal? If it could be proven then the IRC and the union movement would have a field day. We all know nothing is secret in aviation and this sort of deal woud get a spotlight on it pretty quick. MD wouldnt want to try this **** on otherwise the drama bomb would be nuclear in magnitude."
Well it does, and has been for a long time and you just work with it. The only movement that the union's have in Australia that involves aviation is the one around lunch time whilst reading the paper.
Quote...I think you would find this sort of behaviour illegal? If it could be proven then the IRC and the union movement would have a field day. We all know nothing is secret in aviation and this sort of deal woud get a spotlight on it pretty quick. MD wouldnt want to try this **** on otherwise the drama bomb would be nuclear in magnitude."
Well it does, and has been for a long time and you just work with it. The only movement that the union's have in Australia that involves aviation is the one around lunch time whilst reading the paper.
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If this is the case, any aspiring jetstar pilot would be knee-capping themselves from a career with jetstar by joining Q'link
And........Setting themselves up for a potential career in mainline, considering the opportunities available. Some have recently progressed to mainline after less than 6 months in QFlink.
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Have to agree with you there. If J* are travelling as far a field as Europe & South Africa to source their pilots the surely then wouldnt discount QFlink.
Besides, there are employment laws in the form of anti-discrimination & equal opportunity that would prohibit such activity.
I think most QLink pilots call jetstar a last resort anyway...
Hoss: How did MD prevent you from going to J*? The same way he's preventing all the current QFlink pilots joining mainline.
CAPTBOB: What makes the airline industry any different from any other when it comes to employment law in Australia?
One must ask themselves: Why are QF mainline sending mainline cadets to QFlink & not Jetstar, when both are short of pilots?
MC
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This not new boys and girls
I hate to be a bearer of bad news, this has been unofficially happening for years and years. First QF and then Jetstar, they will just allow a few to go from time to time that way nobody can say they are being discriminated against for working at Qlink. Boys and girls left at Qlink pack your bags and go, each and everyone of you can fly jets don't listen to the f**** at QF, flying a Jet is easier than flying a Dash 8, can't remember last time I did a night circling approach with low cloud and poor vis..
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Hoss, heard a lot about this sort of stuff over the years and more of late with some at Sunnies.Just what are you saying every ones best mate did to upset yours and others progression?
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I really wanted to be an Astronaut for NASA.
I know I dont have a degree, wear glasses, I'm too short, my blood pressure is a little high & I didnt pass the NASA phych tests.
But I'm sure the real reason I got knocked back was the QF group got into NASA's ear about the pilot shortage in Aus.
I know I dont have a degree, wear glasses, I'm too short, my blood pressure is a little high & I didnt pass the NASA phych tests.
But I'm sure the real reason I got knocked back was the QF group got into NASA's ear about the pilot shortage in Aus.
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I heard on the grapevine that they have just started progressing some QLINK drivers into mainline.. anyone else confirm this?? Or is there only a VERY select few that get lucky and get to progress through..
Why are the most simpliest solutions always the last to be put into play!!
Why are the most simpliest solutions always the last to be put into play!!
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I can think of half a dozen off the top of my head, some of whom were also accepted by JQ. Pays to note that several have gone through within a year of entering QL, and so don't qualify to have elements of the entry requirements waived.
Whilst management certainly do have a lot to answer for, I thank we can agree that the writing is on the wall at the moment. Job applications with other carriers are openly discussed in crew rooms, and the number going to VB makes it obvious that you can't keep hold of a decent pilot by simply denying them a job elsewhere in the group.
Why then would anyone waste their time setting up an informal agreement which does not succeed in retaining pilots in the group, further endangers morale, and which by-the-way is illegal.
Plenty of people from QL are getting jet jobs domestically and internationally (or haven't you heard - we have a shortage). If you're not one of them time to stop blaming it on the one-armed man. Perhaps spend your time doing something constructive instead?
Whilst management certainly do have a lot to answer for, I thank we can agree that the writing is on the wall at the moment. Job applications with other carriers are openly discussed in crew rooms, and the number going to VB makes it obvious that you can't keep hold of a decent pilot by simply denying them a job elsewhere in the group.
Why then would anyone waste their time setting up an informal agreement which does not succeed in retaining pilots in the group, further endangers morale, and which by-the-way is illegal.
Plenty of people from QL are getting jet jobs domestically and internationally (or haven't you heard - we have a shortage). If you're not one of them time to stop blaming it on the one-armed man. Perhaps spend your time doing something constructive instead?