NAT JET 717 mishap
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I find it interesting that so many can claim so much having seen so little.
I doubt that the manufacturer has seen it yet, to make an assessment, maybe they shouldn't bother attending and just read PPRuNe then tell QF what to do.
I doubt that the manufacturer has seen it yet, to make an assessment, maybe they shouldn't bother attending and just read PPRuNe then tell QF what to do.
A hard landing is hardly newsworthy.
No-one really cares who did it, everyone has a bad day - we just want to see some pics of the muntage!
C'mon - show us your wrinkles!
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I hope the F/O who was flying at the time does not get punished in anyway shape or form for this. She was a victim of the seriously deficient training department headed up by Fivedogs in Adelaide. NJS has a history of implementing unfair trials followed up by unfair hangings.
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And if that's the result Buzzy, I have heard no more take-offs and landings for F/O's so as to prevent this sort of thing from occuring again.
Oh bugger, that might end up being a bit more expensive than actually spending money on training to a standard rather than to a cost,a cost that is calculated that self funded applicants can afford!
Oh bugger, that might end up being a bit more expensive than actually spending money on training to a standard rather than to a cost,a cost that is calculated that self funded applicants can afford!
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Is it just me or is there anybody else out there that thinks that this is actually quite a serious matter? A potential hull loss and it seems to be a great source of mirth. I'm not getting into a finger pointing exercise or trying to crystal ball the events leading up to the fact, but geez, everyone seems to be shrugging their shoulders and saying c'est la vie 
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Maybe the time to take it seriously Hoof, is when the investigators have finished their job and some facts are known, rather than based on the speculation of the voyeurs of PPRuNe.
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The incident has come up on as a headline on the NT News web service this morning. Other news services will probably pick it up in the coming days. I wonder if pax comments will now start to emerge.
I also wonder how far this incident was from a crash, rather than a hard landing.
I also wonder how far this incident was from a crash, rather than a hard landing.
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from the NT News.
Qantas jet written off after NT landing
PHOEBE STEWART
12Feb08
A $35MILLION Qantas jet is believed tohave been written off after a "heavy landing" in Darwin.
The Boeing 717 jet bumped down at Darwin airport on February 7 after flying from Cairns via Nhulunbuy.
None of the 84 passengers were hurt and they were able to "disembark normally" from the plane, the airline said yesterday.
A report said the Australian Transport Safety Bureau had listed the incident on its air safety database and had described damage to the plane as "substantial".
It said the Bureau reported the plane entered an area of "high sink", forcing it to land heavily, "wrinkling" the aircraft's fuselage.
But spokesman Geoge Nadal denied the information had come from the Bureau.
He confirmed that the heavy landing had been reported and was under investigation. An air safety expert is due to arrive in Darwin soon.
Mr Nadal said the outcome of the investigation would depend on the "complexity" ofthe incident.
Qantas said it could not comment on whether the plane had been written off but said the aircraft was out of action.
Qantaslink general manager of regional airlines Narendra Kumar said the flight - operating as QF1944 from Cairns - was being investigated in consultation with Boeing and National Jets Systems, which operated the aircraft on behalf of Qantaslink.
He said the incident had been reported to air safety authorities.
The QantasLink jet is one of 11 in the Territory's fleet of 717s, operated by NationalJet Systems.
Qantas jet written off after NT landing
PHOEBE STEWART
12Feb08
A $35MILLION Qantas jet is believed tohave been written off after a "heavy landing" in Darwin.
The Boeing 717 jet bumped down at Darwin airport on February 7 after flying from Cairns via Nhulunbuy.
None of the 84 passengers were hurt and they were able to "disembark normally" from the plane, the airline said yesterday.
A report said the Australian Transport Safety Bureau had listed the incident on its air safety database and had described damage to the plane as "substantial".
It said the Bureau reported the plane entered an area of "high sink", forcing it to land heavily, "wrinkling" the aircraft's fuselage.
But spokesman Geoge Nadal denied the information had come from the Bureau.
He confirmed that the heavy landing had been reported and was under investigation. An air safety expert is due to arrive in Darwin soon.
Mr Nadal said the outcome of the investigation would depend on the "complexity" ofthe incident.
Qantas said it could not comment on whether the plane had been written off but said the aircraft was out of action.
Qantaslink general manager of regional airlines Narendra Kumar said the flight - operating as QF1944 from Cairns - was being investigated in consultation with Boeing and National Jets Systems, which operated the aircraft on behalf of Qantaslink.
He said the incident had been reported to air safety authorities.
The QantasLink jet is one of 11 in the Territory's fleet of 717s, operated by NationalJet Systems.
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and from today's Australian:
QANTAS'S jealously guarded reputation for never having lost a jet aircraft is under threat following an accident involving a Boeing 717.
The Qantaslink jet carrying 84 passengers from Nhulunbuy was substantially damaged when it landed heavily after a sudden loss of altitude as it came into land in Darwin last Thursday.
The heavy landing produced wrinkling in the aircraft's skin at the rear of the fuselage, suggesting possible damage to the airframe and prompting speculation that the plane is a write-off.
Although the leased aircraft was operated for Qantaslink by National Jet Systems, a write-off would be the first under Qantas colours.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is investigating, yesterday described the damage to the aircraft as "substantial".
However, an ATSB spokesman was unable to say last night whether the aircraft could be repaired.
"There have been engineers called to inspect the aircraft, but whether it's a write-off or whether it's reparable I don't think is known," he said.
Qantaslink issued a short statement confirming the Boeing 717 operating from Cairns via Nhulunbuy to Darwin was involved in a heavy landing. It said there were no injuries, and passengers disembarked normally.
"The incident is being investigated in consultation with Boeing (and) National Jet Systems, which operates the aircraft on behalf of Qantaslink," Qantas group general manager regional airlines Narendra Kumar said.
"As required, the incident has been reported to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority and the ATSB."
Asked whether the aircraft would be written off, a spokeswoman said: "The investigation is under way and we've got to await the outcome."
The airline has an enviable reputation for air safety. A move to repair a Boeing 747-400, which ran off a runway in Bangkok in 1999 costing about $100million, was widely seen as a move to protect that record.
QANTAS'S jealously guarded reputation for never having lost a jet aircraft is under threat following an accident involving a Boeing 717.
The Qantaslink jet carrying 84 passengers from Nhulunbuy was substantially damaged when it landed heavily after a sudden loss of altitude as it came into land in Darwin last Thursday.
The heavy landing produced wrinkling in the aircraft's skin at the rear of the fuselage, suggesting possible damage to the airframe and prompting speculation that the plane is a write-off.
Although the leased aircraft was operated for Qantaslink by National Jet Systems, a write-off would be the first under Qantas colours.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is investigating, yesterday described the damage to the aircraft as "substantial".
However, an ATSB spokesman was unable to say last night whether the aircraft could be repaired.
"There have been engineers called to inspect the aircraft, but whether it's a write-off or whether it's reparable I don't think is known," he said.
Qantaslink issued a short statement confirming the Boeing 717 operating from Cairns via Nhulunbuy to Darwin was involved in a heavy landing. It said there were no injuries, and passengers disembarked normally.
"The incident is being investigated in consultation with Boeing (and) National Jet Systems, which operates the aircraft on behalf of Qantaslink," Qantas group general manager regional airlines Narendra Kumar said.
"As required, the incident has been reported to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority and the ATSB."
Asked whether the aircraft would be written off, a spokeswoman said: "The investigation is under way and we've got to await the outcome."
The airline has an enviable reputation for air safety. A move to repair a Boeing 747-400, which ran off a runway in Bangkok in 1999 costing about $100million, was widely seen as a move to protect that record.
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Bushy [quote] The "big Q" has some of the most effective advertising and PR that I have seen. I think they are more influential than CASA, and they spend heaps in advertising. If you buy lots of advertising you can influence the media.
Bushy - maybe a few Executive Demi Gods at Q would like to believe that but I can tell that it just doesn't happen - certainly not in the news organisations I used to occaisionally work in.
The non coverage is largely due to the fact that the media in DRW (like many places) generally is a little slow to react and typically are waiting for the media release or someone else to cover it.
Also the media itself has changed over the years and hence doesn't always understand the scope of a story, let alone the need to accurately gather the material and test the facts - look at some the reactive nonsense recently reported about Heathrow & QF2.
Aside from the 'who, what, where, how' with the 717 in DRW, the important part of the story will be the 'why'. ...... and then the task for the media will be to test the evidence, and only then, be in a position to professionally challenge the airline's position (or non position as it generally tends to be). In the absence of tested facts you just can't make it up.....but of course some do (and will).
As for Q being professional in its media handling I and many others would disagree...... .....like a Safety Management System you can choose to operate in either reactive, proactive or predictive modes. Q generally struggles to move beyond reactive and that's why it has copped such a kicking recently.
Anyone know what the Wx was in DRW?
Bushy - maybe a few Executive Demi Gods at Q would like to believe that but I can tell that it just doesn't happen - certainly not in the news organisations I used to occaisionally work in.
The non coverage is largely due to the fact that the media in DRW (like many places) generally is a little slow to react and typically are waiting for the media release or someone else to cover it.
Also the media itself has changed over the years and hence doesn't always understand the scope of a story, let alone the need to accurately gather the material and test the facts - look at some the reactive nonsense recently reported about Heathrow & QF2.
Aside from the 'who, what, where, how' with the 717 in DRW, the important part of the story will be the 'why'. ...... and then the task for the media will be to test the evidence, and only then, be in a position to professionally challenge the airline's position (or non position as it generally tends to be). In the absence of tested facts you just can't make it up.....but of course some do (and will).
As for Q being professional in its media handling I and many others would disagree...... .....like a Safety Management System you can choose to operate in either reactive, proactive or predictive modes. Q generally struggles to move beyond reactive and that's why it has copped such a kicking recently.
Anyone know what the Wx was in DRW?
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Apparently - this is what one passenger thought.
Passenger not happy with airline response to hard landing
Posted February 12, 2008 13:08:00 A passenger on a Qantaslink flight who went through a very hard landing at Darwin airport last Thursday says the crew didn't check if the passengers were alright.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau is investigating the accident that happened when the Boeing 717 jet flew into a "high sink area" and dropped quickly.
The safety bureau report says substantial damage was caused when it hit the runway, including wrinkling of the back section of the plane.
Carol Jobson was one of 84 passengers.
She says everyone on the aircraft was shocked and silent.
"While I understand you can have a rough landing, (I can't understand) not inquiring about how people were after that landing.
"The captain came on and said that he was sorry for the bumpy landing, that there had been some wind shear and most of us that had flown a lot just looked at each other.
"I don't think any of us believed it."
Passenger not happy with airline response to hard landing
Posted February 12, 2008 13:08:00 A passenger on a Qantaslink flight who went through a very hard landing at Darwin airport last Thursday says the crew didn't check if the passengers were alright.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau is investigating the accident that happened when the Boeing 717 jet flew into a "high sink area" and dropped quickly.
The safety bureau report says substantial damage was caused when it hit the runway, including wrinkling of the back section of the plane.
Carol Jobson was one of 84 passengers.
She says everyone on the aircraft was shocked and silent.
"While I understand you can have a rough landing, (I can't understand) not inquiring about how people were after that landing.
"The captain came on and said that he was sorry for the bumpy landing, that there had been some wind shear and most of us that had flown a lot just looked at each other.
"I don't think any of us believed it."