QF LHR CC Base To Close...Rumour
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Interesting also that the LON CC get more than their share of favourable comments from the pax!
With the (again) rumour about lhr to lax trips there is nothing to say that a crew who have slipped in lax cannot do a lax/lhr sector and then home via sin/bkk or hkg?
the same can be true about crew operating to lhr from oz and then to lax and back to syd as the last sector.the company does not have to have crew based in lhr to be able to do those flights.
as I said before,why is dixon insisting on a dedicated oz based crew for the 380 but not in lhr?
I think he will have a dedicated crew based in oz to do all 380 flying.
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LON do get their favourable share of comments from pax. in y/c the boys/girls are bouncing around like tele tubbies, hardly any idea whats going on. gets a bit better in j/c,p/c bouncing around, happy, but NO F**k**g idea whats going on. time after time i get the feedback from punters & csm's.. do i care? not really as the mugs in sydney got told over and over again by numerous csm's. their reply "but the surveys dont indicate that". 
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Mr Paxing.....I know what your saying
It goes both ways.
I know pax would say many things against both UK and Aus bases.
I also get the story that Aus crew are "old, tired, too many older males and very unfriendly" on a weekly basis.
Never realised age and looks played such a big part of customer preception of a airline.
But hear it alot as I'm getting on these days myself.
It makes me think that QF want to go for the "young spunky" gang and turn them over ever 5 years with QCCA.
One thing I know pax will say anything in a f/flyer survey and when onboard ask for the complete oposite.
J class amenity packs are a rusult of a "focus group" locked in a room saying "we don't use many of these things anyway" and "it's a huge waste".
One thing I'll say about LHR crew is they are easy to work with and you don't have the clashes over seniority, someone getting 5 minutes more during a break, constant complaints about every little detail of QF life, will always release the crew rest seats to any base crew trying to travel and they don't have a dobbing over petty little things culture.
If Aus crew don't remember to order something or no hand over or over / under order they just take it in their stride and don't write a report they just fix it if they can and move on to the job.
FYI
Reminds me of a nasty letter a UK crew member received in the OCS from a SYD crew member telling them in no uncertain terms how poor the ordering was of 7 galley roles in a hand over order and they must of been stupid to order 7 roles.
Yes this was a private letter not through official channels with info taken from the yellow order slip of name and staff no#.
It took 1 minute to realize Mr BKK catering supplier had misunderstood a 1 for a 7 and it was a mistake from the catering guys.
This crew member had been Aus crew since 2000 and was working in LHR and had completed many hand over orders before.
Over 70 airlines recruit in the UK so QF is not the top dog of flying like back home so they will always struggle to keep the top crew as BA know they are of the standard they also require.
I feel Uk base will need to attract more experianced AUS crew to go with the UK youth to stay viable.
I know pax would say many things against both UK and Aus bases.
I also get the story that Aus crew are "old, tired, too many older males and very unfriendly" on a weekly basis.
Never realised age and looks played such a big part of customer preception of a airline.
But hear it alot as I'm getting on these days myself.
It makes me think that QF want to go for the "young spunky" gang and turn them over ever 5 years with QCCA.
One thing I know pax will say anything in a f/flyer survey and when onboard ask for the complete oposite.
J class amenity packs are a rusult of a "focus group" locked in a room saying "we don't use many of these things anyway" and "it's a huge waste".
One thing I'll say about LHR crew is they are easy to work with and you don't have the clashes over seniority, someone getting 5 minutes more during a break, constant complaints about every little detail of QF life, will always release the crew rest seats to any base crew trying to travel and they don't have a dobbing over petty little things culture.
If Aus crew don't remember to order something or no hand over or over / under order they just take it in their stride and don't write a report they just fix it if they can and move on to the job.
FYI
Reminds me of a nasty letter a UK crew member received in the OCS from a SYD crew member telling them in no uncertain terms how poor the ordering was of 7 galley roles in a hand over order and they must of been stupid to order 7 roles.
Yes this was a private letter not through official channels with info taken from the yellow order slip of name and staff no#.
It took 1 minute to realize Mr BKK catering supplier had misunderstood a 1 for a 7 and it was a mistake from the catering guys.
This crew member had been Aus crew since 2000 and was working in LHR and had completed many hand over orders before.
Over 70 airlines recruit in the UK so QF is not the top dog of flying like back home so they will always struggle to keep the top crew as BA know they are of the standard they also require.
I feel Uk base will need to attract more experianced AUS crew to go with the UK youth to stay viable.
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So how will the LON CC get on when/if the rumoured A380 LHR-LAX starts??
Red Tbar last time I checked LHR base were doing 240 hr divisors and why on earth would you agree to slip at Heathrow?
Re 380 syd base, the first 6 A/C are doing Syd/ Mel to Lax. Don't need LHR crew to operate these sectors.
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My God.
SYD LHCC think they are Gods gift to flight attending. Not only do you bag the domestics, but LHR/BKK/AKL bases as well. No one else can do the job except you guys it seems. You guys really don't need much to talk yourselves up and everybody else down!
Well maybe the QCCA is a good deal on second thoughts. It may just drop the average age of the LH SYD base down below about 60!!
Bring it on I say!
SYD LHCC think they are Gods gift to flight attending. Not only do you bag the domestics, but LHR/BKK/AKL bases as well. No one else can do the job except you guys it seems. You guys really don't need much to talk yourselves up and everybody else down!
Well maybe the QCCA is a good deal on second thoughts. It may just drop the average age of the LH SYD base down below about 60!!
Bring it on I say!
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Myth Buster
68% of LH CC are female
The average age is around 36
The positive pax comments regarding crew are no better in LHR than they are anywhere else.
Older crew are not lazy.
Most crew who fell into category have taken VR.
There is very little whinging and bitching going on except in this forum
The crew that do fly to LHR(one/Day)want to do them and are enthusiastic about doing them.
Many are expat poms who still have family in the UK.
Overall satisfaction monitors are up across the network though Y/C is lagging a little.
Peanut Pusher knows alittle more than he is letting on
The average age is around 36
The positive pax comments regarding crew are no better in LHR than they are anywhere else.
Older crew are not lazy.
Most crew who fell into category have taken VR.
There is very little whinging and bitching going on except in this forum
The crew that do fly to LHR(one/Day)want to do them and are enthusiastic about doing them.
Many are expat poms who still have family in the UK.
Overall satisfaction monitors are up across the network though Y/C is lagging a little.
Peanut Pusher knows alittle more than he is letting on
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QF 31/32 Crew Seniority
Another Myth
The crew on the 31/32 mostly have seniority in the three and four thousand range...meaning they have seniority of less than twelve years.The crews are also a mix of male and female.
All this nonsense about older male crew on LHR trips is exactly that ...rubbish.
Pull up the crew lists on CIS and you will see that I'm right
The crew on the 31/32 mostly have seniority in the three and four thousand range...meaning they have seniority of less than twelve years.The crews are also a mix of male and female.
All this nonsense about older male crew on LHR trips is exactly that ...rubbish.
Pull up the crew lists on CIS and you will see that I'm right
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ok I'll make it a little more simple
I was refering to pax comments on QF1 SYD/BKK, QF9 & QF29 etc then handing over to me.
But it's not my opion and the pax comments about age is about QF L/H in general, just feedback from pax who say good and bad about both sides.
As I'm middle aged and a SYD L/H crew member it reflects me.
This is not a personal dig just an observation and recollection of the "off the cuff" pax comments.
I have worked in both L/H bases and have a better position to comment than others who have never worked out of LHR.
Over the last year our average age has gone from 26 to 33 and we currently have 71% female to male ratio as apposed to 91% in year 1.
But it's not my opion and the pax comments about age is about QF L/H in general, just feedback from pax who say good and bad about both sides.
As I'm middle aged and a SYD L/H crew member it reflects me.
This is not a personal dig just an observation and recollection of the "off the cuff" pax comments.
I have worked in both L/H bases and have a better position to comment than others who have never worked out of LHR.
Over the last year our average age has gone from 26 to 33 and we currently have 71% female to male ratio as apposed to 91% in year 1.
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If it does happen it will be a while yet, until at least the 380 is operating a fair portion of the LHR flying. It is time for crew to look not at the rumours which sound good to them, but the facts that quite scare me at the moment.
For instance, the first 7 380's are going to be doing dedicated US flying. For us that means a lot less we get (unless we go to the 380 on its 'B' scale). Less long range and short trips. Some of the 400's will begin to retire in 2011 (some of the 400's are even older than some 767's flying around believe it or not).
I hope it (380) takes a lot of LHR flying and they close the base, but it won't happen much before the end of our EBA I suspect. And if they do close it, I suspect the 25% foreign crew numbers will be in place somewhere. Hopefully they don't increase the AKL base and give them even more of the 744 long range flying.
For instance, the first 7 380's are going to be doing dedicated US flying. For us that means a lot less we get (unless we go to the 380 on its 'B' scale). Less long range and short trips. Some of the 400's will begin to retire in 2011 (some of the 400's are even older than some 767's flying around believe it or not).
I hope it (380) takes a lot of LHR flying and they close the base, but it won't happen much before the end of our EBA I suspect. And if they do close it, I suspect the 25% foreign crew numbers will be in place somewhere. Hopefully they don't increase the AKL base and give them even more of the 744 long range flying.
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thats, what i have
been saying all along the EBA discussions. get your costo shopping in lax as long as you can because unless you are in a zimmerframe you wont see lax in 3 years.
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I could never understand the crew who straight after a direct LA meet downstairs in the foyer and go out to Costco immediately.
Then you have to carry the stuff back to the hotel and then through security and home.....pain in the neck.
If they open up in Aus it will save a load of pain but then what will the crew do in LA?
Then you have to carry the stuff back to the hotel and then through security and home.....pain in the neck.
If they open up in Aus it will save a load of pain but then what will the crew do in LA?
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Costco
Costco has been looking at Australia for awhile.There was a piece in the Financial Review about six months.
There are two Costcos in HNL and one in SFO.The A380 will never go to either of those ports.
So settle down folks all is not lost.There are only 20 on order.These will have three destinations...LHR LAX and eventually JNB.
The 744s will still fly to LAX for at least another five years.
It has been said before :the A380 is designed for high volume routes
There are two Costcos in HNL and one in SFO.The A380 will never go to either of those ports.
So settle down folks all is not lost.There are only 20 on order.These will have three destinations...LHR LAX and eventually JNB.
The 744s will still fly to LAX for at least another five years.
It has been said before :the A380 is designed for high volume routes
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i keep trying to go to exotic places like HNL/SFO but my humble senority does not get me there. lax sometimes but not on a regular basis. so, here you see my dilemma. the more A380,s less lax- more regional flying looks like it for me. waiting with my cash for costco to open locally
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I dunno about that blackguard because the crew who are going to lose doing la's because of the airtrucks dedicated crews will be taking all the spots on the 400's that are left doing the states trips.
Is someone who loves doing la's going to do regionals just because we are getting them back?I reckon some will have a novelty trip or 2 but most will keep doing whats left of the 400 trips.So unless you are going to sign your next 2 years away to the flying suburb and then do nothing but la's I reckon the pickings will be slim.
Bring on the next VR to help with seniority.
Is someone who loves doing la's going to do regionals just because we are getting them back?I reckon some will have a novelty trip or 2 but most will keep doing whats left of the 400 trips.So unless you are going to sign your next 2 years away to the flying suburb and then do nothing but la's I reckon the pickings will be slim.
Bring on the next VR to help with seniority.
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Aaaah Yes..But you forget
Partime is going to be taken up by a large number of very senior crew.
Instead of going every week they will work to LAX every second week.
Thus freeing up a lot of positions.
Also Qantas would like to increase its frequencies and destinations in the states. Namely Chicago and Dallas.
There is plenty of growth in the pipeline and more opportuniies to Work to LAX.
Be patient your turn is coming.
I had to wait 20 years for my shot at reasonable rosters
Instead of going every week they will work to LAX every second week.
Thus freeing up a lot of positions.
Also Qantas would like to increase its frequencies and destinations in the states. Namely Chicago and Dallas.
There is plenty of growth in the pipeline and more opportuniies to Work to LAX.
Be patient your turn is coming.
I had to wait 20 years for my shot at reasonable rosters