Pacific Blue.....Watch this space
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Speak out effect change. Sorry mate we are contractors cant talk to company that would show an employee employer relationship. "talk to your contract providers" is what we get so talking is not an option. New Contract sign this you have 7 days. No chance to neg. And as for the comment we are no different to Vb J* or Jet connect sure they may do 5 sectors but not after flying till 2am then a 10 hour rest come on show me an office worker that finishes at 5pm and starts again at 3am. The fact is they dont have enough crew the fms is criminal, and another AC coming sorry im off. or the Auckland crews that sign on at 6am fly to Apia have rooms in town 45 mins away beside the pool are ment to get sleep then sign on again 11:30 same night arrive back about 5:30 am and under the current fms can be put on a duty at 3:30 pm Is that the same as Jet connect or Jet star or any other operator in the world? You cannot mix back of the clock flying and domestic with same rest periods. Its not safe our caa approved it, but im sure it was as a worse case assuming a disrupt not to be rostered to the fms which is whats happening.
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Reality is that PB is a contract model for the time being. The ground handling issues are to do with the capabilities of the contract company concerned, not got a lot to do with the Flight Ops management eveyone on here is criticising.
Due to the success of this model the ops staff are being made full time employees.
Due to the success of this model the ops staff are being made full time employees.
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Dashim, the level of emotion and intensity of feeling you read on here is a reflection of the frustration felt by crew. There is more content in this thread than all the communication I have seen from JB in his tenure. If the management of PB put a tiny fraction of the energy they spend on moving deck chairs around into engaging and communicating in a meaningful way with crew, a lot of this energy would be dissipated.
Saying "I am a good communicator, communicate with me" is not enough, PB management are failing in terms of the form and content of their management style.
How I wish they could be held accountable, but of course they won't be, not in their cosy little back scratching back patting circle.
Saying "I am a good communicator, communicate with me" is not enough, PB management are failing in terms of the form and content of their management style.
How I wish they could be held accountable, but of course they won't be, not in their cosy little back scratching back patting circle.
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I know you guys are all contractors, but join the f**king union!!
I know PB has only two dozen odd ALPA members. If you guys had 90% membership you could make a real difference!!
Look how tight the pilot labour maket is. Would be all to easy to force change if you had more ALPA members!!
If you work for PB and are not a member .....join!!
If you are a member then make sure your mates are too!!
I know PB has only two dozen odd ALPA members. If you guys had 90% membership you could make a real difference!!
Look how tight the pilot labour maket is. Would be all to easy to force change if you had more ALPA members!!
If you work for PB and are not a member .....join!!
If you are a member then make sure your mates are too!!
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morale Fix this and half the problem will go away. Don't and your problems are only just starting. I cant believe VB are standing by and watching a possible catastrophe develop. Time 4 Change indeed. Sooner rather than later I hope.
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horserun yes many of us have joined the union but the reality is to get to the point where we get to the table is at least 18 months away, and thats if the company is willing. Sad to say easier to leave Im not putting up with these conditions for another month.
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I had an FA express her concerns about new f/o recruits level of experience, mostly based on their age and related level of flying experience. First time that has happened to me at PB.
Funny, I have read an email by SA touting the high level of experience of some DEC. I wonder why he doesn't write another explaining why they don't stay, and exactly what he is going to do about it?
The trend continues.
Funny, I have read an email by SA touting the high level of experience of some DEC. I wonder why he doesn't write another explaining why they don't stay, and exactly what he is going to do about it?
The trend continues.
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dashim hardly dashing comments from you of all people....
Just because its SO dosent make it RIGHT and doesnt make it SAFE
One would think you crawled the office fairway...but that would be speculating....you have made comparisons and comments...one of which you have withdrawn, which simply labels you the type to put every incident and accident down to pilot error...your not in management at PB by chance are you.
Just because its SO dosent make it RIGHT and doesnt make it SAFE
One would think you crawled the office fairway...but that would be speculating....you have made comparisons and comments...one of which you have withdrawn, which simply labels you the type to put every incident and accident down to pilot error...your not in management at PB by chance are you.
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Latest off the press for PB, "the 7th aircraft....will have a staggered introduction to routes within the network and will only become fully operational when the required crewing levels are met."
Who is accountable for that, the pilots for resigning perhaps?
This is just the beginning.
Who is accountable for that, the pilots for resigning perhaps?
This is just the beginning.
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Boys,
I think horeserun has hit the nail on the head with this one, JOIN ALPA.
It might take a while to get them to the table, but the sooner you start the sooner its going to happen. Get a pilot council together and start telling the company/contractor your issues.
If your fatigue management system is sh1t, and you are feeling unsafe, GO FATIGUED! Simple, it wont have to happen to many times before they get the message, aircraft stuck on the ground in remote locations tend to get attention relativly quickly in my experience. They cant fire you for being tired/fatigued, if they do question you, if you are a member of ALPA, then you just refer them to your ALPA legal representative.
The managment at this company are already laughing in your face because you do the same job as the aussies for 30% less coin and pay for the privildge.
Leave you say? What, to another operator that is also non unionised? What happens if they start thrashing you? Where you gunna go then? Back to Pac Blue?
ALPA is not the be all and end all, and i'd be the first to admit its not perfect and has made mistakes in the past but its the only hope you have got.
The way I see it you have two options, keep taking it like a b1tch, or stand up and sound off like you got a pair.
Good luck.
I think horeserun has hit the nail on the head with this one, JOIN ALPA.
It might take a while to get them to the table, but the sooner you start the sooner its going to happen. Get a pilot council together and start telling the company/contractor your issues.
If your fatigue management system is sh1t, and you are feeling unsafe, GO FATIGUED! Simple, it wont have to happen to many times before they get the message, aircraft stuck on the ground in remote locations tend to get attention relativly quickly in my experience. They cant fire you for being tired/fatigued, if they do question you, if you are a member of ALPA, then you just refer them to your ALPA legal representative.
The managment at this company are already laughing in your face because you do the same job as the aussies for 30% less coin and pay for the privildge.
Leave you say? What, to another operator that is also non unionised? What happens if they start thrashing you? Where you gunna go then? Back to Pac Blue?
ALPA is not the be all and end all, and i'd be the first to admit its not perfect and has made mistakes in the past but its the only hope you have got.
The way I see it you have two options, keep taking it like a b1tch, or stand up and sound off like you got a pair.
Good luck.
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Not at all. I just like to see accurate reports being made, particularly when it comes down to the financial side. Some of the posts on this thread are a little misleading in that regard. End of story.
Not at all. I just like to see accurate reports being made, particularly when it comes down to the financial side. Some of the posts on this thread are a little misleading in that regard. End of story.
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Airline calls for flight delay records
Airline calls for flight delay records
The Dominion Post | Tuesday, 15 January 2008
Pacific Blue is calling on the Government to force airlines to make their on-time performance records public, despite lengthy delays on its new domestic network.
It has written to Transport Minister Annette King and Consumer Affairs Minister Judith Tizard urging the Government to set a reporting standard for airlines to state how often they are on time and the frequency of delays.
Virgin Blue Airlines Group chief executive Brett Godfrey said the move would give the consumer a transparent view of which airlines were more likely to get them to their destination on time.
Pacific Blue recently came under fire from passengers who faced overnight delays. In November the airline recorded its worst on-time performance result in more than three years, with 78 per cent of flights on time.
The figure was for the overall Virgin Blue group, which includes flights to the Pacific Islands and Australia.
Pacific Blue launched its domestic service, between Christchurch, Wellington and Auckland, in November.
Mr Godfrey said there had been serious improvement in the last couple of weeks, with domestic and international on-time figures "in the 80s".
In the past week, more than 93 per cent of Pacific Blue flights were on time on all days except for two, Mr Godfrey said.
It had suffered some problems with its ground equipment breaking down, but had now contracted Menzies Aviation to handle the equipment. It also had new backup agreements in place with Air New Zealand.
"We had some people critical of our on-time performance and to be frank, all airlines have on-time performance issues. But you can never honestly determine who's got the better one until you're in a position where the Government mandates compulsory disclosure."
On-time performance information was recorded internally by airlines but there was no requirement in New Zealand for them to release the information publicly.
Mr Godfrey said he was happy to disclose Pacific Blue's on-time performance if all other airlines did the same.
An Air New Zealand spokesman said it would support publicly sharing on-time performance if agreement could be reached on reporting standards.
The Dominion Post | Tuesday, 15 January 2008
Pacific Blue is calling on the Government to force airlines to make their on-time performance records public, despite lengthy delays on its new domestic network.
It has written to Transport Minister Annette King and Consumer Affairs Minister Judith Tizard urging the Government to set a reporting standard for airlines to state how often they are on time and the frequency of delays.
Virgin Blue Airlines Group chief executive Brett Godfrey said the move would give the consumer a transparent view of which airlines were more likely to get them to their destination on time.
Pacific Blue recently came under fire from passengers who faced overnight delays. In November the airline recorded its worst on-time performance result in more than three years, with 78 per cent of flights on time.
The figure was for the overall Virgin Blue group, which includes flights to the Pacific Islands and Australia.
Pacific Blue launched its domestic service, between Christchurch, Wellington and Auckland, in November.
Mr Godfrey said there had been serious improvement in the last couple of weeks, with domestic and international on-time figures "in the 80s".
In the past week, more than 93 per cent of Pacific Blue flights were on time on all days except for two, Mr Godfrey said.
It had suffered some problems with its ground equipment breaking down, but had now contracted Menzies Aviation to handle the equipment. It also had new backup agreements in place with Air New Zealand.
"We had some people critical of our on-time performance and to be frank, all airlines have on-time performance issues. But you can never honestly determine who's got the better one until you're in a position where the Government mandates compulsory disclosure."
On-time performance information was recorded internally by airlines but there was no requirement in New Zealand for them to release the information publicly.
Mr Godfrey said he was happy to disclose Pacific Blue's on-time performance if all other airlines did the same.
An Air New Zealand spokesman said it would support publicly sharing on-time performance if agreement could be reached on reporting standards.
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"In the past week, more than 93 per cent of Pacific Blue flights were on time on all days except for two, Mr Godfrey said."
Are you kidding? That mangled attempt at English means that on the days we choose to quote how we do, we do alright.
Are you kidding? That mangled attempt at English means that on the days we choose to quote how we do, we do alright.
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Biggles747, you are kidding right???
Since when does a contractor (gnd handling in this case) strive to improve their performance or sort out problems if there is no pressure from those who awarded the contract in the first place.
The PB airport ground ops manager should be on these guys back till they get there Sh!t in one pile.
On the subject of the operations staff being employed. I would hardly think they are now 'living the dream'.
The ops staff, a few days before xmas were told they had to reapply for their jobs. If successful they would be offered a new contract from Pb (instead of conair). The details of this contract were 'not available' at the time, though were told it would be for LESS money than their existing contract with conair!!
Merry Christmas guys thanks for all your hard work HO HO HO!!!
Since when does a contractor (gnd handling in this case) strive to improve their performance or sort out problems if there is no pressure from those who awarded the contract in the first place.
The PB airport ground ops manager should be on these guys back till they get there Sh!t in one pile.
On the subject of the operations staff being employed. I would hardly think they are now 'living the dream'.
The ops staff, a few days before xmas were told they had to reapply for their jobs. If successful they would be offered a new contract from Pb (instead of conair). The details of this contract were 'not available' at the time, though were told it would be for LESS money than their existing contract with conair!!
Merry Christmas guys thanks for all your hard work HO HO HO!!!
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STOP PRESS...
All you crew at PB can relax.
There are 4 FO's and 2 Capts starting in March.
Oh and by the way there is another aircraft joining the fleet in March!!!
And for all you AKL crew, we are taking some of those back of the clock duties from you and giving those layabouts in CHC some.
Hold the phone caller!!
The new recruits will not even cover the resignations they have had over the past couple of months.
They cant crew the aircraft they have now, let alone another aircraft.
And,
How evenly are the back of the clock duties going to be distributed across the rosters of the CHC crew? Keep in mind that a significant proportion of Capts in CHC are either management pilots or check captains so for the half dozen line captains that are left......Hope you like your sectors long and dark....
All you crew at PB can relax.
There are 4 FO's and 2 Capts starting in March.
Oh and by the way there is another aircraft joining the fleet in March!!!
And for all you AKL crew, we are taking some of those back of the clock duties from you and giving those layabouts in CHC some.
Hold the phone caller!!
The new recruits will not even cover the resignations they have had over the past couple of months.
They cant crew the aircraft they have now, let alone another aircraft.
And,
How evenly are the back of the clock duties going to be distributed across the rosters of the CHC crew? Keep in mind that a significant proportion of Capts in CHC are either management pilots or check captains so for the half dozen line captains that are left......Hope you like your sectors long and dark....
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Sad to read the ops contractors are taking a hiding too. A reduction in pay to offset permanent employment...thats smart, introduce another segment of the workforce to the shafted club.
Oh yes I am sure they feel secure in knowing that they are permanently employed but to enhance their value and make then feel one of the team and pay them less than before????
How does that compare to the big brother club of ops controllers over the ditch???? Thats a financial aspect leaving the door open for Dashim to respond....but before he leaps upon his white mighty trustworthy steed, read this...
The question begs how is the bottom dollar worth all the potential hundreds of thousands (extremely conservative) that one poorly made decision from an individual who is fatigued distracted and preoccupied in his /her working environment going to cost the company in the bigger picture.
This will certainly be the time your skilled and learned management group have their time in front of the board in VB HQ.
Thats if the next incident evolves into an accident and replace the five zero's (thats not the managers, but someone can surely add their initials) but dollar zero's which will close the door.
So the skid and now two scrapes not to mention on time performance have accumulated a substantial cost and the operation on the domestic front its still in the bedding down period.
No wonder qualified competent experienced people are leaving...
VB HQ need to review this organisation and NZCAA had better review their involvement from a regulatory perspective because it always comes out when the investigation and court hearing takes place...this is only the beginning.
KK your right watch this space
Oh yes I am sure they feel secure in knowing that they are permanently employed but to enhance their value and make then feel one of the team and pay them less than before????
How does that compare to the big brother club of ops controllers over the ditch???? Thats a financial aspect leaving the door open for Dashim to respond....but before he leaps upon his white mighty trustworthy steed, read this...
The question begs how is the bottom dollar worth all the potential hundreds of thousands (extremely conservative) that one poorly made decision from an individual who is fatigued distracted and preoccupied in his /her working environment going to cost the company in the bigger picture.
This will certainly be the time your skilled and learned management group have their time in front of the board in VB HQ.
Thats if the next incident evolves into an accident and replace the five zero's (thats not the managers, but someone can surely add their initials) but dollar zero's which will close the door.
So the skid and now two scrapes not to mention on time performance have accumulated a substantial cost and the operation on the domestic front its still in the bedding down period.
No wonder qualified competent experienced people are leaving...
VB HQ need to review this organisation and NZCAA had better review their involvement from a regulatory perspective because it always comes out when the investigation and court hearing takes place...this is only the beginning.
KK your right watch this space