Sydney airport upgrade will close runway
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The delayed start is interesting.Local Government Elections will take place in NSW in September and the Greens are poised to win outright control of Marrickville Council,the area which encompasses most of the Grayndler Federal electorate held by Minister Albanese as well as virtually all of the Marrickville State electorate held by Mrs.Albanese (Carmel Tebbutt).As the Greens are the only Party that can knock Albo and his missus off their very comfortable perches its very much in their own interest that the Greens don't get control of the Council and thus gain a power base from which to attack the Federal and State Seats.The closure of 07/25 in April would have been enough to guarantee a wipeout of the Labor Councillors,delaying it until after the Election is no happy coincidence and may help,but will it be enough? I just hope that no one is sufficiently naive to think that any of this toing and froing has anything at all to do with aircraft safety.Much more important issues are at stake.
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You feel for SACL? They would make enough to pay for this RESA project after 15 minutes in the motorcycle lane in the T1 carpark. If there were any other way on Allah's green earth that they could avoid donating money and time to this do you think they would? Do you think they'd go ahead with works if they didn't have to out of concern for passenger safety? Hardly.
A bit of concrete and dirt will do NOTHING more to save anyone if a jumbo careers off the end of 25. What it will do is keep the regulators at bay, which is all SACL are interested in.
A bit of concrete and dirt will do NOTHING more to save anyone if a jumbo careers off the end of 25. What it will do is keep the regulators at bay, which is all SACL are interested in.
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Computer says No,
Too right the 90m will not do much to save a large aircraft overrun. There is plenty of data and research to say that something approximating 240-300m (as per the ICAO recommended practice) is the minimum length of RESA required.
SACL may well have enough money to do it and be only doing it to satisfy regulators but they committed to build something that provided an improved safety outcome and are now being stuffed around in the name of political expediency.
Too right the 90m will not do much to save a large aircraft overrun. There is plenty of data and research to say that something approximating 240-300m (as per the ICAO recommended practice) is the minimum length of RESA required.
SACL may well have enough money to do it and be only doing it to satisfy regulators but they committed to build something that provided an improved safety outcome and are now being stuffed around in the name of political expediency.
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x-wind limits
So how many diversions will this create? I know the Dash 8 has a 36kt limit for the 1-2-300 series and 32kt for the -400. Anyone know the limit for the other smaller craft like the Saab and EMB170/190 etc? And for interest how about the A380?
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Westerlies today 3 April
So how much 07/25 is available with 270/20 gusting 37?
Media reporting diversions/cancellations, but that presumably is related just to single runway ops.
Media reporting diversions/cancellations, but that presumably is related just to single runway ops.
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Except they were using it all day today - up to an hour and a half CTMS holding on the ground, THEN some were copping an additional hour or so of laps out at Bindook.
Central Traffic Management System? Central Traffic Muck-up System more lke it.
Central Traffic Management System? Central Traffic Muck-up System more lke it.
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I heard CTMS was run for 34 arrivals an hour (cause they thought they could sneak in parallels (tried 16 and 34 I believe); actual arrivals were somewhere near 22 (on 25 only); so 12 too many each hour. Then when they tried to run it after 8am with the real rate accounted for it crashed and had to be done again; then they forgot to factor in those already in the air with 45+ mins holding; so everyone who was 'on time' got 45 airborne because that was what the queue already had.
When are we going to get real and use slot times?
When are we going to get real and use slot times?
Huh?
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Wow, what an absolute sh^tfight today was... in and out of syd three times, and it was just crazy when its all 07... We could have taken the Xwind on 34 in the jet (and therefore so could at least 40% or so of the others) but for some reason they kept ploeing forward with 07... called for a puchback at one stage and got called to call for a start clearance in 38 mins! No warning other than local knowledge, and we were fully boarded... And the taxi out was another story.
Was just absolute carniage! There has to be a better way at the busiest airport in the country in conditions that are hardly freak occurances... I cant remember off hand, but think the wind was only ever a strong easterly at around 25kts... Happened before and it is going to happen many more times again.
Forgetabowdit
Was just absolute carniage! There has to be a better way at the busiest airport in the country in conditions that are hardly freak occurances... I cant remember off hand, but think the wind was only ever a strong easterly at around 25kts... Happened before and it is going to happen many more times again.
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The irony in all of this is the championing of a heritage-listed sewer causing the bulk of delay in construction of the safety overrun.
WTF?
Big tourist drawcard is it?
Where does this insanity come from?
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What a joke yesterday I agree. We were held for nearly an hour at 2 locations as the enroute holding pattern was full. We sheepishly requested 16L/R as the westerlies were well within our crosswind limits at our ETA. Our request was declined and then as soon as we landed they changed from RW25 to Rw16LR. Some days you just have to carry the fuel and scratch you head is disbelief.
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Jetblue,
I understand your frustrations...
I'd rather you weren't in my sector in a holding pattern too (no offense).
It's far too political, but thank goodness we still had 07/25 in use yesterday.
LTOP still applies, even on crappy days like that. When delays exceed 20 minutes it can trigger a change to non "noise sharing" LTOP modes; but we swap them for a more efficient (but still LTOP) mode. The issue is how that 20 mins is calculated. Total MAESTRO delay seems to be the easiest justification; but where this is on top of 30+ on-ground CTMS delays or start up clearances etc. it seems a little ludicrous.
Forgetabowdit ; Sydney doesn't use LAHSO anymore (effectively).
So using a combination set of runways is in effect no more efficient than single runway ops; well only a little more efficient; but not if we are mixing and unmixing on the run. See the LTOP modes here:
The problem with ballpark 40% being able to accept is that ballpark 60% can't. This has multiple effects; ie changing configurations is particularly problematic. STARs, SIDs etc. are often runway configuration dependent; changing things at short notice is best avoided; yes it does happen but only if you're forced into it (which we have been a few times in recent days). It's also problematic to 'which controller' is doing what (ie how we divide the airspace in terms of procedures and coordination used). We have standard airspace configurations and we don't get into a habit of making a new configuration on the fly. There is safety and efficiency in SOPS.
Giving sector bods like me 'requests' so you can reduce delay; is akin to giving me 50 cents to make a phone call; sure I'll call, trust me. An old salty flow once told me, "we don't do requests; if he says the magic words ("require") we'll talk about it again."
I understand your frustrations...
I'd rather you weren't in my sector in a holding pattern too (no offense).
It's far too political, but thank goodness we still had 07/25 in use yesterday.
LTOP still applies, even on crappy days like that. When delays exceed 20 minutes it can trigger a change to non "noise sharing" LTOP modes; but we swap them for a more efficient (but still LTOP) mode. The issue is how that 20 mins is calculated. Total MAESTRO delay seems to be the easiest justification; but where this is on top of 30+ on-ground CTMS delays or start up clearances etc. it seems a little ludicrous.
Forgetabowdit ; Sydney doesn't use LAHSO anymore (effectively).
So using a combination set of runways is in effect no more efficient than single runway ops; well only a little more efficient; but not if we are mixing and unmixing on the run. See the LTOP modes here:
The problem with ballpark 40% being able to accept is that ballpark 60% can't. This has multiple effects; ie changing configurations is particularly problematic. STARs, SIDs etc. are often runway configuration dependent; changing things at short notice is best avoided; yes it does happen but only if you're forced into it (which we have been a few times in recent days). It's also problematic to 'which controller' is doing what (ie how we divide the airspace in terms of procedures and coordination used). We have standard airspace configurations and we don't get into a habit of making a new configuration on the fly. There is safety and efficiency in SOPS.
Giving sector bods like me 'requests' so you can reduce delay; is akin to giving me 50 cents to make a phone call; sure I'll call, trust me. An old salty flow once told me, "we don't do requests; if he says the magic words ("require") we'll talk about it again."
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More of the same today?
From ABC Radio:
"Sydney Airport silent on flight delays
Flight delays at Sydney Airport are expected through the afternoon.
Virgin Airlines estimates 20 of its flights will be affected with delays of up to an hour.
Qantas is also reporting delays into Sydney of up to half an hour.
Virgin says their delays are due to planes having to stay in holding patterns but they say they do not know why.
Sydney Airport says it cannot comment on the delays and Air Traffic Control is yet to give an explanation."
From ABC Radio:
"Sydney Airport silent on flight delays
Flight delays at Sydney Airport are expected through the afternoon.
Virgin Airlines estimates 20 of its flights will be affected with delays of up to an hour.
Qantas is also reporting delays into Sydney of up to half an hour.
Virgin says their delays are due to planes having to stay in holding patterns but they say they do not know why.
Sydney Airport says it cannot comment on the delays and Air Traffic Control is yet to give an explanation."
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Thanks, 125.6. Just got the low-down from an insider:
SY has twelve controllers rostered on a Friday afternoon. Today, two - not three - called in sick. One extra came in off annual leave to help out on overtime.
Seems someone at Air (No) Services is telling fibs and trying to hide the knife edge that they're walking on with staff.
SY has twelve controllers rostered on a Friday afternoon. Today, two - not three - called in sick. One extra came in off annual leave to help out on overtime.
Seems someone at Air (No) Services is telling fibs and trying to hide the knife edge that they're walking on with staff.