Boeing announces B787 delivery delays
Boeing announces B787 delivery delays
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It was a big ask to get an aircraft that has not even been test flown into service so quick, especially with so much new technogly
how will you repair a lightning strike on a 787 fuselage?
how will you repair a lightning strike on a 787 fuselage?
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Mmmmm.
Saw a nose gear door made of carbon fibre, lightning exit damage, hole you could put your fist through. How can you assess the delam & heat damage around that? Easy to scrap a door, not so easy to scrap a fuselage.
Saw a nose gear door made of carbon fibre, lightning exit damage, hole you could put your fist through. How can you assess the delam & heat damage around that? Easy to scrap a door, not so easy to scrap a fuselage.
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The genius at Qantas knows no limits...
Whilst waiting for these things to materialise, we continue to flog around in old 767 and classics...
In the interim all the airlines are ALREADY operating the 777 are going broke. (Geoff think!)
I'm sure Peter Gregg has worked out the compensation due for this latest, entirely predictable delay. His initial thought will be if only we ordered more we could have got more money for compo...
The simple problem is the spectacular lack of vision exhibited by management at Q is beginning to cost Q big money.
1. J* Asia
2. AO
3. A330 confusion between long and short range version.
4. Maintenance outsourcing leading to 3 747-400 being parked due no D
checks
5. A classic stripped of engines sitting at Avalon -never to
fly again, after it's interiior and nav suite was refurbished
6. Bleeding of yield to unproven and unverified J* operations.
It's time for a change, where is ASIC, should they not now be looking at the APA mess. It is no wonder the mistakes are starting to show, the company was supposed to already be sold- Someone else's problem..
bring on the AGM
- A380 unproven 2 years late
- 787 yet to fly at least a year late
Whilst waiting for these things to materialise, we continue to flog around in old 767 and classics...
In the interim all the airlines are ALREADY operating the 777 are going broke. (Geoff think!)
I'm sure Peter Gregg has worked out the compensation due for this latest, entirely predictable delay. His initial thought will be if only we ordered more we could have got more money for compo...
The simple problem is the spectacular lack of vision exhibited by management at Q is beginning to cost Q big money.
1. J* Asia
2. AO
3. A330 confusion between long and short range version.
4. Maintenance outsourcing leading to 3 747-400 being parked due no D
checks
5. A classic stripped of engines sitting at Avalon -never to
fly again, after it's interiior and nav suite was refurbished
6. Bleeding of yield to unproven and unverified J* operations.
It's time for a change, where is ASIC, should they not now be looking at the APA mess. It is no wonder the mistakes are starting to show, the company was supposed to already be sold- Someone else's problem..
bring on the AGM
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. A classic stripped of engines sitting at Avalon -never to
fly again, after it's interiior and nav suite was refurbished
fly again, after it's interiior and nav suite was refurbished
Maintenance outsourcing leading to 3 747-400 being parked due no D
checks
checks
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Posted 8th Feb 2007 by yours truly. 
"OK, this is a rumour network right?
Try this one on for size. A yet to be announced delay in the B787 to J* (and everyone else) will mean J* is "forced" to take ALL the A330's from mainline to service it's expansion.
CCQ and all that.
Mainline gets ALL the B787's when they arrive. Already "Boeing" friendly outfit with experience on similar types.
Jetstar remains all Airbus/CCQ. A330/A320 and whatever else.(A380?)
I know "tell him he's dreamin".
Just a "rumour" I've heard. "
Bloody Nostradamus eh?
"OK, this is a rumour network right?
Try this one on for size. A yet to be announced delay in the B787 to J* (and everyone else) will mean J* is "forced" to take ALL the A330's from mainline to service it's expansion.
CCQ and all that.
Mainline gets ALL the B787's when they arrive. Already "Boeing" friendly outfit with experience on similar types.
Jetstar remains all Airbus/CCQ. A330/A320 and whatever else.(A380?)
I know "tell him he's dreamin".
Just a "rumour" I've heard. "
Bloody Nostradamus eh?
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I seem to recall some A330's were painted in QF colours a while back,not so any more!!
There were also A330 slots awarded and taken up and trained, these same people have been doing a lot of sitting around the last year or so.
Imagination?
There were also A330 slots awarded and taken up and trained, these same people have been doing a lot of sitting around the last year or so.
Imagination?
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What WOFTAM says makes a lot of sense, many people have wondered why QF group is pursuing a counter-intuitive option.
Many QF A330 pilots are way behind the eight ball now money wise due Dixons policies. I know of A330 pilots who are 40-50 k in the hole compared to what they would have earned if the A330's had not been gifted to Jetstar and the A380's not delayed. QF received compensation when the A380's were delayed, but no pilots did. It is pie in the sky I know, but QF would go a long way to getting many of it's pilots back onside if, when Boeing hands over the compensation cheque, some of it goes to employees who have been financially affected by these delays, not just the shareholders.
Many QF A330 pilots are way behind the eight ball now money wise due Dixons policies. I know of A330 pilots who are 40-50 k in the hole compared to what they would have earned if the A330's had not been gifted to Jetstar and the A380's not delayed. QF received compensation when the A380's were delayed, but no pilots did. It is pie in the sky I know, but QF would go a long way to getting many of it's pilots back onside if, when Boeing hands over the compensation cheque, some of it goes to employees who have been financially affected by these delays, not just the shareholders.
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Those A330's were only given a light coat of orange woftam. If you scratch hard enough you will find a roo under all that paint.
The red and white paint tins were never tossed away. They sit poised and ready to be reapplied soon enough.
There's no denying that Jetstar is a popular experiment at the moment. Sure it will fly the 787 hell maybe even the concorde or shuttle..... whatever.
There seems to be a perception amongst all the QF wannabees that a couple of lines of rumour on the prune about how Jetstar is going to take over the world are going to really frighten mainline pilots.
Well mate a lot of mainliners don't give a toss. The reality is that all their training was company paid,they enjoy the best pay and conditions in Aus,and have their professional self esteem largely intact.
Afterall when its all said and done thats what its about.
Talk to me about finding ways to bring Jetstar pilots to that level and I will engage you in a meaningful discussion. The rest is just pprune fantasy.
The red and white paint tins were never tossed away. They sit poised and ready to be reapplied soon enough.
There's no denying that Jetstar is a popular experiment at the moment. Sure it will fly the 787 hell maybe even the concorde or shuttle..... whatever.
There seems to be a perception amongst all the QF wannabees that a couple of lines of rumour on the prune about how Jetstar is going to take over the world are going to really frighten mainline pilots.
Well mate a lot of mainliners don't give a toss. The reality is that all their training was company paid,they enjoy the best pay and conditions in Aus,and have their professional self esteem largely intact.
Afterall when its all said and done thats what its about.
Talk to me about finding ways to bring Jetstar pilots to that level and I will engage you in a meaningful discussion. The rest is just pprune fantasy.
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Yeah,sorry that's the best I can do.
You obviously signed up to vent your spleen,so go for your life! You'll have to find someone else to play with though as I'm not interested in arguing with you.
You obviously signed up to vent your spleen,so go for your life! You'll have to find someone else to play with though as I'm not interested in arguing with you.
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"Well mate a lot of mainliners don't give a toss. The reality is that all their training was company paid,they enjoy the best pay and conditions in Aus,and have their professional self esteem largely intact. Afterall when its all said and done thats what its about.
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Hmmmmm...tentrenti, that is obviously a wind up. Because if you were for real you would be putting the smug self-satisfaction of a bunch of pampered and protected prima donnas ahead of:
a) the travelling public
b) the Qantas shareholders
c) the rest of the 30,000 plus Qantas employees
d) the younger pilots who'd prefer growth and opportunity to "the easy life" anyday
e) the truth...because QF T & C properly assessed aren't the best. They are. like much of Australia's aviation sector, below average and introspective
f) history....pride goeth before a fall
g) the real cutting edge of Qantas growth as management hones, polishes and bankrolls the best and brightest bits of the business of which "mainline" (whatever that means?) is not the cornerstone
Just a few thoughts
"
Hmmmmm...tentrenti, that is obviously a wind up. Because if you were for real you would be putting the smug self-satisfaction of a bunch of pampered and protected prima donnas ahead of:
a) the travelling public
b) the Qantas shareholders
c) the rest of the 30,000 plus Qantas employees
d) the younger pilots who'd prefer growth and opportunity to "the easy life" anyday
e) the truth...because QF T & C properly assessed aren't the best. They are. like much of Australia's aviation sector, below average and introspective
f) history....pride goeth before a fall
g) the real cutting edge of Qantas growth as management hones, polishes and bankrolls the best and brightest bits of the business of which "mainline" (whatever that means?) is not the cornerstone
Just a few thoughts
d) the younger pilots who'd prefer growth and opportunity to "the easy life" anyday
e) the truth...because QF T & C properly assessed aren't the best. They are. like much of Australia's aviation sector, below average and introspective
f) history....pride goeth before a fall
g) the real cutting edge of Qantas growth as management hones, polishes and bankrolls the best and brightest bits of the business of which "mainline" (whatever that means?) is not the cornerstone
Just a few thoughts
e) the truth...because QF T & C properly assessed aren't the best. They are. like much of Australia's aviation sector, below average and introspective
f) history....pride goeth before a fall
g) the real cutting edge of Qantas growth as management hones, polishes and bankrolls the best and brightest bits of the business of which "mainline" (whatever that means?) is not the cornerstone
Just a few thoughts
e) Are you comparing QF conditions to the jetstar EBA
g) Qantas are bank rolling the bits they can squeeze the tightest. Best and brightest or easier to manipulate and most gullable
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as management hones, polishes and bankrolls the best and brightest bits of the business
-sorry, got interrupted there. As I was saying, another is that you're just a tool to drive down labour costs, while senior management continues to line its own pockets, mainline becomes increasingly disfunctional through cost cutting and neglect, and the fare-paying public suffers. If that sits OK with you then fine.
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Oh dear, now you're being defensive and childish. Too much time looking over other pilots shoulders and wondering what the real world is like? I don't think I'd specially like to trust you with a landing just yet.
Coffee, like roses, is there to be smelled. Try it........Situation Awareness is very, very, very important. Get with the programme and see the real world.
Carping, whinging, moaning, preening, gloating, boasting,smirking....have got mainline pilots exactly where they are today....with the inevitable future that they put together lovingly though perhaps unwittingly
Coffee, like roses, is there to be smelled. Try it........Situation Awareness is very, very, very important. Get with the programme and see the real world.
Carping, whinging, moaning, preening, gloating, boasting,smirking....have got mainline pilots exactly where they are today....with the inevitable future that they put together lovingly though perhaps unwittingly
The consequences of the delay
Boeing Names Shanahan to Lead 787 Program, Bair to Lead Business Strategy and Marketing
(Seattle, October 16, 2007) -- Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Scott Carson today named Pat Shanahan vice president and general manager of the 787 program. Shanahan moves from vice president, Missile Defense Systems at Boeing Integrated Defense Systems, and succeeds Mike Bair, who will become vice president Business Strategy and Marketing for Commercial Airplanes, replacing Mike Cave, whose move to a position at Boeing Corporate Offices was announced earlier today.
Both changes are effective immediately.
"Pat's experience and proven record managing demanding and complex programs will allow him to build on the 787 team's success as we tackle the challenges we face in bringing our new production system fully on line," Carson said. "He knows how to deliver results, understands our customers and their requirements, and has the leadership skills to get the job done.
"Mike has taken the 787 program from a concept to a market-leading position," Carson added. "The customer focus and knowledge he brings from that experience--as well as the insight and knowledge of our new business model and supplier base--will help us immeasurably as we take our next steps with future products, services and business strategy."
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(Seattle, October 16, 2007) -- Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Scott Carson today named Pat Shanahan vice president and general manager of the 787 program. Shanahan moves from vice president, Missile Defense Systems at Boeing Integrated Defense Systems, and succeeds Mike Bair, who will become vice president Business Strategy and Marketing for Commercial Airplanes, replacing Mike Cave, whose move to a position at Boeing Corporate Offices was announced earlier today.
Both changes are effective immediately.
"Pat's experience and proven record managing demanding and complex programs will allow him to build on the 787 team's success as we tackle the challenges we face in bringing our new production system fully on line," Carson said. "He knows how to deliver results, understands our customers and their requirements, and has the leadership skills to get the job done.
"Mike has taken the 787 program from a concept to a market-leading position," Carson added. "The customer focus and knowledge he brings from that experience--as well as the insight and knowledge of our new business model and supplier base--will help us immeasurably as we take our next steps with future products, services and business strategy."
Source : Boeing