YPPH gets slot times
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YPPH gets slot times
Saw the NOTAM today, effective from 1830 tonite (5 Oct).
Aircraft ariving at YPPH during the times of the normal 15 min holding periods, will in addition require:
If you depart and AD within 210nm of YPPH, you must call a phone number and be issued a Slot time for your arrival at YPPH.
There were a few lines about how you can expect to hold for only 8 min, if you can make your assigned slot time. I asume that this means even when you have a slot time you can still be held. It further says that ACFT will be held on the ground (departure AD) if delays are expected.
Now it does not affect me too much as almost all of our work comes in from outside the 210nm limit. But I sure feel for those who will be coming from
Busselton, Geraldton, Southern cross, Albany and any other ASD within that arc.
Can YPPH survive the mining boom much longer?
When will the much needed aerodrome expansion plan be implemented, where oh where is that 3rd runway?
How far out will be the next Slot time implementation, Meeka maybe?
Aircraft ariving at YPPH during the times of the normal 15 min holding periods, will in addition require:
If you depart and AD within 210nm of YPPH, you must call a phone number and be issued a Slot time for your arrival at YPPH.
There were a few lines about how you can expect to hold for only 8 min, if you can make your assigned slot time. I asume that this means even when you have a slot time you can still be held. It further says that ACFT will be held on the ground (departure AD) if delays are expected.
Now it does not affect me too much as almost all of our work comes in from outside the 210nm limit. But I sure feel for those who will be coming from
Busselton, Geraldton, Southern cross, Albany and any other ASD within that arc.
Can YPPH survive the mining boom much longer?
When will the much needed aerodrome expansion plan be implemented, where oh where is that 3rd runway?
How far out will be the next Slot time implementation, Meeka maybe?
I hear the brickworks is coming along nicely.
AMD TFC HLDG FUEL ADVISORY
ALL TFC 15 MINS
MON 0120-0300
TUE/WED/THU 0100-0300 AND 0915-1115
FRI 0915-1030
FLIGHTS DCT TO PERTH WITH FLT TIME IN EXCESS OF 8 HRS ARE EXEMPT
FROM THESE HOLDING FUEL RQMNTS
A. ANTICIPATED DELAYS ARE BASED ON RWY AVAILABILITY
B. ALL ACFT DEP FROM AERODROME WITHIN 210NM RAD OF PERTH, PLANNED TO
ARRIVE WITHIN PERIODS OF TFC HLDG FUEL ADVISORY ARE REQUIRED TO
OBTAIN AN AGREED LANDING SLOT TIME. THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO
MED 1, HOSP, SAR, FFR PRIORITY OR HELICOPTERS.
C. SLOT TIMES MAY BE OBTAINED BY PHONE 08 9476 8620.
D. ACFT WIH A SLOT TIME, AND ARRIVING WITHIN 3MIN OF THAT TIME, CAN
EXPECT A MAX 8 MIN AIRBOURNE DELAY.
E. GROUND DELAYS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED IF AIRBOURNE DELAYS EXCEED
15MIN.
F. GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHTS (IFR AND VFR) SHOULD PLAN NOT TO USE
PERTH AERODROME DURING THE NOTAMED DELAY PERIODS, IN ORDER TO
AVOID EXCESSIVE DELAYS.
THIS SUPERCEDES TFC HLDG AS SPECIFIED IN
AIP ENR SUP AUSTRALIA FAC P-10
FROM 10 051030 TO 12 071030
Just what do they mean by General Aviation flights? That is pretty much all operators at PH from CAS to NJS!!!!!!!!! Or does that just mean bugsmashers?
AMD TFC HLDG FUEL ADVISORY
ALL TFC 15 MINS
MON 0120-0300
TUE/WED/THU 0100-0300 AND 0915-1115
FRI 0915-1030
FLIGHTS DCT TO PERTH WITH FLT TIME IN EXCESS OF 8 HRS ARE EXEMPT
FROM THESE HOLDING FUEL RQMNTS
A. ANTICIPATED DELAYS ARE BASED ON RWY AVAILABILITY
B. ALL ACFT DEP FROM AERODROME WITHIN 210NM RAD OF PERTH, PLANNED TO
ARRIVE WITHIN PERIODS OF TFC HLDG FUEL ADVISORY ARE REQUIRED TO
OBTAIN AN AGREED LANDING SLOT TIME. THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO
MED 1, HOSP, SAR, FFR PRIORITY OR HELICOPTERS.
C. SLOT TIMES MAY BE OBTAINED BY PHONE 08 9476 8620.
D. ACFT WIH A SLOT TIME, AND ARRIVING WITHIN 3MIN OF THAT TIME, CAN
EXPECT A MAX 8 MIN AIRBOURNE DELAY.
E. GROUND DELAYS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED IF AIRBOURNE DELAYS EXCEED
15MIN.
F. GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHTS (IFR AND VFR) SHOULD PLAN NOT TO USE
PERTH AERODROME DURING THE NOTAMED DELAY PERIODS, IN ORDER TO
AVOID EXCESSIVE DELAYS.
THIS SUPERCEDES TFC HLDG AS SPECIFIED IN
AIP ENR SUP AUSTRALIA FAC P-10
FROM 10 051030 TO 12 071030
Just what do they mean by General Aviation flights? That is pretty much all operators at PH from CAS to NJS!!!!!!!!! Or does that just mean bugsmashers?
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Can YPPH survive the mining boom much longer?
When will the much needed aerodrome expansion plan be implemented, where oh where is that 3rd runway?
When will the much needed aerodrome expansion plan be implemented, where oh where is that 3rd runway?
http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...aa.asp?id=2007
PH traffic numbers really haven't grown a great deal in the last few years- maybe its a case of 'hubbing' (everyone wants to arrive and/or depart at the same time). An hour or 2 of chaos, followed by a prolonged quiet period, followed by and hour or 2 of chaos etc etc.
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Unless you live in Adelaide...
Speaking of Adelaide, how long till we get slots there, I mean those three aircraft must play havoc with ATC's 'afternoon quiet time'...
Speaking of Adelaide, how long till we get slots there, I mean those three aircraft must play havoc with ATC's 'afternoon quiet time'...
what was the reason for closing the east-west runway that was near the northern end. it would be perfect now for all the fifo morning and arvo traffic. or better still they should make it a ctaf-r and then we would have no troubles.
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it (11) would be perfect now for all the fifo morning and arvo traffic
I'd wager the Dash guys would be up for LAHSO on RWY 29/11 (from memory). 
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And/or the residents of Cowandilla complain the vibrations from overhead
aircraft upset the viewing of OPRAH or "Days of Our Lives"!!!!
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Marion, South Australia
aircraft upset the viewing of OPRAH or "Days of Our Lives"!!!!
Mike McInerney
Marion, South Australia
From the NOTAM:
I would suggest that "general aviation" applies to those flights that have nominated "G" in the "type of flight" box on their flight notification. The "G" stands for "general aviation".
The other "types of flight" are: "S" for scheduled air service, "N" for non-scheduled air service, and "M" for military.
F. GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHTS (IFR AND VFR) SHOULD PLAN NOT TO USE
PERTH AERODROME DURING THE NOTAMED DELAY PERIODS, IN ORDER TO
AVOID EXCESSIVE DELAYS.
PERTH AERODROME DURING THE NOTAMED DELAY PERIODS, IN ORDER TO
AVOID EXCESSIVE DELAYS.
The other "types of flight" are: "S" for scheduled air service, "N" for non-scheduled air service, and "M" for military.
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Probably SSDD, 15 A/C holding at BIU and 3 A/C inside 30 nms, F50s being told to increase to max speed ( 10kts above their current speed ) and 717s being told to reduce to speeds that are below stick shaker ( oh yes, have heard it with my own ears ) 
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cunning, were you responding to BrazDriver?
Must have got worse after my trip. We had no delay and things didn't seem too congested from what I heard on the radio. ATA was 1046.
Must have got worse after my trip. We had no delay and things didn't seem too congested from what I heard on the radio. ATA was 1046.
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I think Cunning may have been promoting the usual stereotypes that go along with people who have no idea about the big picture. Being a Monday morning it would have been unusual to have huge delays.
3-4 aircraft inside 30NM if there are instrument procedures is not unusual if you consider a landing rate of one every three minutes at 3NM a minute speeds gives you 9NM between aircraft, not hard to understand.
I still find it amusing that the mining companies all schedule their crew changes for the same times on the same days, meaning that 50-60 aircraft all want to arrive at the same time yet ATC still get blamed for the delay.
How about some common sense with scheduling, after all Perth is not that busy outside peak times so if arrivals were better spaced out you would find there would be a lot less delays.
Or is it just easier to blame ATC?
Back to the topic of the thread, slot times are just the start of the traffic management procedures that are to be introduced to manage the massive increase in traffic at peak times.
Oh and by the way if you are given a speed slower than you can do, tell us, we can’t hear the stick shaker, you are the one flying!
3-4 aircraft inside 30NM if there are instrument procedures is not unusual if you consider a landing rate of one every three minutes at 3NM a minute speeds gives you 9NM between aircraft, not hard to understand.
I still find it amusing that the mining companies all schedule their crew changes for the same times on the same days, meaning that 50-60 aircraft all want to arrive at the same time yet ATC still get blamed for the delay.
How about some common sense with scheduling, after all Perth is not that busy outside peak times so if arrivals were better spaced out you would find there would be a lot less delays.
Or is it just easier to blame ATC?
Back to the topic of the thread, slot times are just the start of the traffic management procedures that are to be introduced to manage the massive increase in traffic at peak times.
Oh and by the way if you are given a speed slower than you can do, tell us, we can’t hear the stick shaker, you are the one flying!
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You make some valid points westy, particularly every man and their friggin' dog sceduling to leave at 530 ish and return at 930 ish, and its not your fault Australia's archaic system ( or is that over cautious ) only allows 3 A/C inside 30 miles, if that happened in Honkers for instance, they would have 90 holding on every day.
And yes, it is easier just to blame ATC
The 717 likes to be operated at or around 330IAS to 10 miles 
I'm sure Bloggs can back me on that one
And yes, it is easier just to blame ATC
Oh and by the way if you are given a speed slower than you can do, tell us, we can’t hear the stick shaker, you are the one flying!
I'm sure Bloggs can back me on that one
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Hi West,
The points you raised are points discussed at length around the cockpit many a day. If it was a bunch of pilots and ATC types running things like scheduling then yeah, it would be a nice steady stream over a couple of hours, however it isn't up us. I am yet to meet the General Manager that will tell a client that it can't be done between five thirty and seven between Tuesday and Thursday. That little quandry is left to you and I at the coal face.
If you want a small consolation, in my opinion the mines all seem to be upgrading their facilites to handle bigger aircraft that can service 100 seat jets. Coondewanna has done it and many others around the traps are planning or actually in the process of upgrading now. Hopefully the 100 odd people coming back from Coondewanna, Nifty, Shay Gap and the like will be coming back in 3 aircraft instead of 9 before long. Hopefully this will go some way toward helping in some small degree.
Blaming ATC is far easier at 6am than the General Manager of the company. You guys are the most accessible cause the boss is still sound asleep. I personally don't blame you but the tone of my voice may sometimes indicate otherwise. We all have a job to do and there are many "experts" out there throwing stones but in this particular instance I'll hold back cause I tend sympathize with your cause too (as much as it hurts me to say so).
The points you raised are points discussed at length around the cockpit many a day. If it was a bunch of pilots and ATC types running things like scheduling then yeah, it would be a nice steady stream over a couple of hours, however it isn't up us. I am yet to meet the General Manager that will tell a client that it can't be done between five thirty and seven between Tuesday and Thursday. That little quandry is left to you and I at the coal face.
If you want a small consolation, in my opinion the mines all seem to be upgrading their facilites to handle bigger aircraft that can service 100 seat jets. Coondewanna has done it and many others around the traps are planning or actually in the process of upgrading now. Hopefully the 100 odd people coming back from Coondewanna, Nifty, Shay Gap and the like will be coming back in 3 aircraft instead of 9 before long. Hopefully this will go some way toward helping in some small degree.
Blaming ATC is far easier at 6am than the General Manager of the company. You guys are the most accessible cause the boss is still sound asleep. I personally don't blame you but the tone of my voice may sometimes indicate otherwise. We all have a job to do and there are many "experts" out there throwing stones but in this particular instance I'll hold back cause I tend sympathize with your cause too (as much as it hurts me to say so
).