Bolty McBolt

Cant say I agree with that. Way to many presidents set by that document.
Much of it has been done before as a gentlemans agreement but never in writing.
You are agreeing to no industrial action ever while on a 380 crew. No say or right to complain about the roster imposed on you and worst of all.
Bonded for your training 30 K.
So you can be pushed from pillar to post work an awful roster and still get stung if you leave..

I can't say I would be happy to sign it. Especially as its Ms baby and his signature all over it.
I would reject it on that alone.

chemical alli

dont think it will really matter as jha will probably end up with the bid. guess its a shot across the bow on who is willing to for go certain award conditions . some very experienced guys have so far missed out on an interview so i guess the list is long and distinguished.glad i applied to jha even after bagging romulus ,maybe ill see a airbus before i retire

Romulus

Have we called you yet?

And if you think you've bagged me out, well all I can say is you're a gentleman. Bear in mind I come from construction, Google Joe McDonald CFMEU and see how we're used to being bagged out.....

blackhander

Havent called me yet romulus. Or was the 6 week contract offer a foot in the door opportunity?

727ace

Hey Romulus
I have had a application in when the original expressions of interest where advertised earlier in the year and never heard a thing. What goes?
seems you only picking up those with useful licences and not those WHO havent got useful tickets BUT could offer experience and would be "most willing to be coursed up"

Romulus

Not knowing who you are makes it a touch difficult but it's always a possibility.

Romulus

For this I apologise, we have replaced the HR function, probably following your app. Feel free to PM me and I'll chase it through teh system to get you an answer.

That's a fair call, I'd suggest it's pretty logical to go with those who already have licences, we're going to be spending a small fortune on 380 training so if we are unsuccessful in that area then we need a backup plan for everyone we employ. We don't intend employing people only to have to let them go a few months later, we employ for the long term.

numbskull

No reply here yet either Romulus. (although its only been 4 weeks out of your stipulated 6 week response time).

A courtesy email saying that "we have received your application" wouldn't go astray so that I know you HAVE received it and are still considering it(or not as the case may be).

When are you expecting a decision from QF as to the outcome of the 380 bid?

If you are successful, how many people will you be looking for and how soon will you be putting people on after a decision is made(assuming you win the bid)?

Thanks in advance

The Mr Fixit

Word on the bid should be in the mail

QF LAMEs in Syd and Rom, you could help out here

Both Qantas Engineering and JHAS are training I'm told or organising training without either getting the bid.

The big rumours are that QF airways paid for JHAS training (at JHAS insistence) on the 380 even though they have their own Eng dept.

This was done to secure a second bidder as SIA, HAECO and Lufthansa Technics flew the coop not wishing to be part of a Union bashing exercise (I suspect running the gauntlet of another publicity campaign was to much for SIA and LT, remember Staples and Lockwire).

For those not aware PG sits on both QF and Leightons (owners of JHAS)

I swear this reads like a Tom Clancy novel, I hope to god it's fiction

Romulus

Did I stipulate 6 weeks? Can't recall that but if so please bear with us as it might be longer due to volume of applications.

Everything that goes to our website SHOULD get that immediately. Will check.

Currently we're running a program in parallel to ACS, decision points last well into the new year so unless either of us screw it up badly (can't see that happening from either party) this will be running for several months at least.

Total team exceeds 70.

We're employing people now which is partly why it takes so long to get back to you - we're trying to do a thorough job with contingency plans for not winning the 380 work so we try to ensure the people we put on have licences for the longer term regardless, we will NOT hire people now only to tell them "sorry, didn't win" at some later date. In some ways that's a hard policy but ultimately we believe it to be the fairest as it gives no false expectations.

Romulus

Incorrect.

Correct. And fully disclosed. PG has no connection with JHAS in any operational sense.

And if you dig deeper Wal King sits on some other boards. Check out those links and see where they lead you.

It's all fiction in the end. Business is a small world, paths cross. So be it.

satos

I think numbskull means the contact email address which I have also several times applied thru but never received a reply back from her.
The question i want to ask is "Does she exist".

domo

really acs have a slightly different number

Redstone

Decision expected by "Supply Chain" next March. ACS would prefer to move on the bid now however I am told JHAS pushed for later, they don't want to be left with a load of licences they can't use.

A team of 70, interesting. Initially the fleet will consist of four a/c, assuming some travelling work that will still leave quite a few engineers not required for periods of time that the big bus is away from port. Does "flexible rostering" ring any bells? Romulus does the jhas t&c mean a bloke may be sent home clocked off after the a/c departs and then be required to return 2 hours later to clock back on when the next one arrives?

Q may be looking at split shifts? You do your 8 hour day but it is split into two lots of 4 hours with a sizable break inbetween......

Read the contracts carefully boys.

Romulus

Jen does indeed exist and is an incredibly task focussed person. Will check with her tomorrow when I'm on site again as to status of replies.

Romulus

Not surprising really. Probably depends on the pointat which the measure is taken - one aircraft, 5 aircraft, 10 or the full 20 and how many ports are factored into the flight roster etc. Without knowing the canditions surrounding the numbers it's pretty hard to make a comparison.

And sorry but no, I'm not going to give away what's behind the numbers I provided.

Romulus

Then you got told wrong. Given our state of prep vs the state we believe ACS to be in the longer the decision the more two factors that come into play work against us:

1. ACS can catch up on some of the alternative solutions we have suggested
2. Time delays benefit ACS from a risk viewpoint as they can ultimately stall for time until it is too late to do anything else


Yes but unlikely. How we utilise that downtime is a key element of our proposal.

And bear in mind that we pay salaries not hourly rates. So if there's 2 hours between duties then you're free to go and do whatever you like (provided you remain in a condition to complete later duties) so it's up to YOU whether you go home or not. You still get paid the same but all of a sudden you have control of your downtime. No need to hang around the airport - go jogging, driving, shopping, play with the kids, play golf for all we care.

Of course, if you want to stay on site then that's your call.

Either way you get the same salary for the week.


Ours is pretty clear. Get the job done and we don't mind how you structure your day to best meet your own needs.

chemical alli

jha interview a cake walk from all accounts.very little technical q&a just alot of would you be willing and how much would they have to pay.more interested if and what exotics you have ,so i guess their hedging if the 380 falls through its can we now base you in mel or anywhere else ? nice and professional hr type and yes jenny cheeseman does exist.

if any one interested pay up to 150k depending on your bargaining skills

Romulus

Checked via background reference checking prior to asking you in for an interview. If you don't pass that hurdle you don't get a look in. Interview is more to try and determine how you will fit with a team, ensure that you know what you're committing to etc.

Let's face it, Jenny or anyone else in HR or me or pretty much anyone asking you techo questions is a complete waste of time, anybody can BS their way through an interview. Equally if you try to BS your way through on what you're willing to do then we have a record of it.

Pretty much nailed it there CA. If we're going to build a team then we need to try and ensure people are relatively happy, that their needs are met and above all else that they know what they are committing to.

Ah, another Jen fanboy....

Bear in mind that you'll be working frigging hard and long hours to get that level of salary. Please be under no misapprehension there - you will bust your arse to get that inc shifts, pub hols etc.

chemical alli

too true romulus about asking tech q&a also i think i STATED PAY UP TOO 150K not actual but all in all a not so tell us a time when type interview more a what and where .just posting some info that many may not know.