QF Go-around
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Scotty..It looks like your having an identity crisis and think your Eddie McGuire and want your own TV show.Maybe Al Jazeera TV will do something for you…..or do you need help with your next license renewal?
Your right with one thing though and that is TOGA parties..a heck of a lot of fun in the late 70’s and early 80’s before the fun police and Political Correctness invaded our lives.It really gave you a better idea of some of the girls attributes.
Going back to your question though and seeing that this thread is about an aircraft doing a go-around are you talking about the actual Takeoff/Go-around buttons/switches to give take off or go around power which are usually on the thrust levers?
Then again seeing that you are having difficulty understanding the term ‘bleed’ and knowing that you personify every cliché known for a particular group in society and have a very one dimensional way of thinking I imagine TOGA would have a different meaning.
I suspect in your case it means ….
TOsser Going Away….I guess because you couldn’t get a job in Australia.
Scotty..Give TV a shot you never know where it will take you and you could be a big hit over there.
Your right with one thing though and that is TOGA parties..a heck of a lot of fun in the late 70’s and early 80’s before the fun police and Political Correctness invaded our lives.It really gave you a better idea of some of the girls attributes.
Going back to your question though and seeing that this thread is about an aircraft doing a go-around are you talking about the actual Takeoff/Go-around buttons/switches to give take off or go around power which are usually on the thrust levers?
Then again seeing that you are having difficulty understanding the term ‘bleed’ and knowing that you personify every cliché known for a particular group in society and have a very one dimensional way of thinking I imagine TOGA would have a different meaning.
I suspect in your case it means ….
TOsser Going Away….I guess because you couldn’t get a job in Australia.
Scotty..Give TV a shot you never know where it will take you and you could be a big hit over there.
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As an attendee [and subsequent payee 
] at Molly Moore's famous Xmas party in SIN many years ago, I can tell you that TOGA parties are much more fun that go-arounds!!
Just don't spray the roof and walls with the contents of diver's illuminating sticks. 
G'day
] at Molly Moore's famous Xmas party in SIN many years ago, I can tell you that TOGA parties are much more fun that go-arounds!! Just don't spray the roof and walls with the contents of diver's illuminating sticks. G'day
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To get back to the subject, it would be interesting to know what prompted a go around after touchdown into known windshear conditions.
Where was the actual point of touchdown and was this a factor in the decision?
Just interested because, in the interests of safety, it's good for others to be aware of the experience. After all, walking away from an incident is experience!
Where was the actual point of touchdown and was this a factor in the decision?
Just interested because, in the interests of safety, it's good for others to be aware of the experience. After all, walking away from an incident is experience!
Nunc est bibendum
There is a diagram on page 3 of the ATSB report that doesn't go into the 'why' but certainly gives some good gen as to what was going on. My reading of the graph (I needed to blow it up to about 200% on the pdf document) would suggest that the aircraft bounced enough to have the air/ground switch cycle a couple of times....before the G/A thrust was set. It also appears that the windshear alert came during that bounce. Given that the recovery from that bounce probably involved max thrust, I can see why the crew wouldn't then elect to cancel that decision as the aircraft comes through the windshear. I recall a crew being quite significantly chastised for that exact action when they did it in '99 at BKK.
Anyway, the graph is well worth the time to look at.
Anyway, the graph is well worth the time to look at.
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Takeoff/Go-around buttons/switches
Fool.
a very one dimensional way of thinking
There's a challenge for you, LubedLower, define "one dimensional" giving examples other than the one I just gave you... HAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAA....... only a hostie could come out with something like that!!! Classic.....
As for Toga parties, yes I'm not surprised you and your fun-boy hostie mates held plenty of them in the old days when you were in shape.
PS: Please don't send me anymore of your nasty, hate-filled PMs, it does hurt, you know...
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I looked at the QAR plot as well and Keg seems quite correct.
It all happened in the space of about 1 second elapsed time - loss of speed, hard landing, bounce, thrust levers going up, windshear warning.
There is no amount of "guidance" in the world that could cover the Captain during that event. So under the circumstances, I doubt anyone else would've taken a wiser course of action (if there even is one).
It all happened in the space of about 1 second elapsed time - loss of speed, hard landing, bounce, thrust levers going up, windshear warning.
There is no amount of "guidance" in the world that could cover the Captain during that event. So under the circumstances, I doubt anyone else would've taken a wiser course of action (if there even is one).
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My understanding is that the second windshear event, the one at 40ft not the one at 200ft, not only caused the EGPWS to go off and gave a 2.34g slam down, but also kicked the nose and dropped the wing. The position and attituded of the aircraft made a go around (windshear escape) an excellent decision.
If you don't like the situation, don't hang around to seewhat happens - get out of there. Phuket rings a bell. I know they're not the same but what would the clowns on this website be saying if the Capt had continued the landing and ended up in the freight terminal?
Whether it was a go around or a windshear esacpe is academic, the fact is the pax and crew are alive. As far as i am aware there were no 'intentional non compliant' acts that contributed to the event. Any argument about whether the Capt made the "right" decision in a split second life or death moment is purely subjective. He did what he was trained to do and acted on a situation he didn't like - with the help of his crew.
If you don't like the situation, don't hang around to seewhat happens - get out of there. Phuket rings a bell. I know they're not the same but what would the clowns on this website be saying if the Capt had continued the landing and ended up in the freight terminal?
Whether it was a go around or a windshear esacpe is academic, the fact is the pax and crew are alive. As far as i am aware there were no 'intentional non compliant' acts that contributed to the event. Any argument about whether the Capt made the "right" decision in a split second life or death moment is purely subjective. He did what he was trained to do and acted on a situation he didn't like - with the help of his crew.
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G/A
not got any facts here so feel free to sledge me, but was it a real windshear or just the reactionery system (which deals with rapid alfa changes etc) created from the hard bounce? it can happen too.
sometimes in the sim when they throw in really violent windshear the computers trip off into alternate mode and then of course allow you to stall and crash if your not careful.
from what I can see I would have done the same thing as this guy based on what I know.
but i only have 12 000 hours and 5000 plus on airbus heavies so not yet got people skills...or maybe I lost them? matty
sometimes in the sim when they throw in really violent windshear the computers trip off into alternate mode and then of course allow you to stall and crash if your not careful.
from what I can see I would have done the same thing as this guy based on what I know.
but i only have 12 000 hours and 5000 plus on airbus heavies so not yet got people skills...or maybe I lost them? matty
