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Tiger returns slots at Sydney
Steve Creedy | October 19, 2007
TIGER Airways has shunned Sydney Airport in its initial expansion and handed back slots it had been allocated for the northern winter season.
Tiger Australia corporate affairs head Matthew Hobbs confirmed that Tiger had returned slots at Sydney for the end of October to March.
This did not mean the airline had no intention of flying to Sydney or NSW, he said.
"We will go NSW at some point but at the moment we've got to get our airline up and running," he said. "That's not one of the first sets of routes."
The Tiger decision came as Singapore Airlines made it clear the low-cost startup would be its main vehicle for entering the Australian domestic market and it was not interested in picking up Toll's stake in Virgin Blue.
Singapore Airlines chief executive Chew Choon Seng said he was confident Tiger could survive the competition from Jetstar-Qantas and Virgin Blue.
Mr Chew said he had thought for some time that Australia could not support three full-service airlines: "Tiger offers a different business model and the other two have moved sufficiently away from the market segment that Tiger is entering.
"Time will tell and I am confident that Tiger management will be able to prove the point."
There was little movement on any sale of Singapore Airlines' 49 per cent stake in Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic.
"That is still under review," Mr Chew said.
"We have said publicly it has been an underperforming investment for us, and Richard has said he would be open to buying it back if the price is right.
"Well, that's a big if, getting the price right."
TIGER Airways has shunned Sydney Airport in its initial expansion and handed back slots it had been allocated for the northern winter season.
Tiger Australia corporate affairs head Matthew Hobbs confirmed that Tiger had returned slots at Sydney for the end of October to March.
This did not mean the airline had no intention of flying to Sydney or NSW, he said.
"We will go NSW at some point but at the moment we've got to get our airline up and running," he said. "That's not one of the first sets of routes."
The Tiger decision came as Singapore Airlines made it clear the low-cost startup would be its main vehicle for entering the Australian domestic market and it was not interested in picking up Toll's stake in Virgin Blue.
Singapore Airlines chief executive Chew Choon Seng said he was confident Tiger could survive the competition from Jetstar-Qantas and Virgin Blue.
Mr Chew said he had thought for some time that Australia could not support three full-service airlines: "Tiger offers a different business model and the other two have moved sufficiently away from the market segment that Tiger is entering.
"Time will tell and I am confident that Tiger management will be able to prove the point."
There was little movement on any sale of Singapore Airlines' 49 per cent stake in Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic.
"That is still under review," Mr Chew said.
"We have said publicly it has been an underperforming investment for us, and Richard has said he would be open to buying it back if the price is right.
"Well, that's a big if, getting the price right."
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Captains $9,333 p/m ($73.00/hr FDP), F/O $6,250 p/m ($36.00/hr FDP), 10 days off in 30, roster patterns 5 early, 2 days off, 5 late, 3 days off, maximum 1000 hrs/yr, 36 days annual leave, SQ staff travel, $30 000 bonus after 3 yrs. Not as good as some, not as bad as others. After humping rubber dogs**t out of Hong Kong for 6 yrs and seeing my COS violated on a daily basis, it will be a pleasure to move back home.
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Thanks for someone finally putting up figures that seem to have "depth", therefore more potential to be real (or in fairness confirming at least one previous post that was similar but less detailed.)
Thanks for someone finally putting up figures that seem to have "depth", therefore more potential to be real (or in fairness confirming at least one previous post that was similar but less detailed.)
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Thanks for that - confirms a previous post but with more detail.
As a comment the potential for less pay for line pilots due busy periods (training etc) on this formula is very real and the ability to achieve the max income based on 1,000 hrs per year is questionable.
Just asking - what is the attraction of Pussy over Pornstar??
Is it just dislike for the QF machine - or is it a real belief (hope??) that Pussy will become a real force??
Believe it or not from myself - an honest and open question desiring answers.
facts - if you're on your way home and happy with what you have accepted then best of luck; enjoy your return!
Thanks for that - confirms a previous post but with more detail.
As a comment the potential for less pay for line pilots due busy periods (training etc) on this formula is very real and the ability to achieve the max income based on 1,000 hrs per year is questionable.
Just asking - what is the attraction of Pussy over Pornstar??
Is it just dislike for the QF machine - or is it a real belief (hope??) that Pussy will become a real force??
Believe it or not from myself - an honest and open question desiring answers.
facts - if you're on your way home and happy with what you have accepted then best of luck; enjoy your return!
Well, I gave you those figures on page 3 of this thread, except the rostering side of things. He hasnt said anything new. You are right though, in order to get reasonable money you are going to have to work pretty hard.
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It depends how you do the flying---
Jetstar does 4 sectors a day and short flights
Tiger will be doing long 2 sectors days & nights to PH DN etc, this gives more days off in the month( max 10 in a month then 20 days off)
But as more new a/c arrive next year this will change no dont!!
Jetstar does 4 sectors a day and short flights
Tiger will be doing long 2 sectors days & nights to PH DN etc, this gives more days off in the month( max 10 in a month then 20 days off)
But as more new a/c arrive next year this will change no dont!!
Sure about that ?
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It depends how you do the flying---
Jetstar does 4 sectors a day and short flights
Tiger will be doing long 2 sectors days & nights to PH DN etc, this gives more days off in the month( max 10 in a month then 20 days off)
But as more new a/c arrive next year this will change no dont!!
It depends how you do the flying---
Jetstar does 4 sectors a day and short flights
Tiger will be doing long 2 sectors days & nights to PH DN etc, this gives more days off in the month( max 10 in a month then 20 days off)
But as more new a/c arrive next year this will change no dont!!
If it looks like a dog and smells like a dog, then.....
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Don't get too excited about SQ staff travel! It'll be ID75 and they calculate that on the most expensive fare, one usually that no-one pays. It's almost always cheaper to get a ticket from the travel agent than use SQ staff travel. If they told you ID90 then they didn't tell you about the 5 year plus wait for it.
Dear What The - could you please tell me all the "better opportunities out there right now."
Jetstar? - don't think they're earning $185k as Capts or $113 as F/Os. And I believe they work quite hard and they work for arseholes.
Virgin? Yep not bad money, but any guy with kids doesn't want 15 overnights a month. And they work for arseholes i'm told.
Qantas? Not many guys in our 40s look at that as an option to bring us back to OZ. And they are arseholes too.
Rex? Hmm don't fancy living in a tent at Kurnell and eating dog food.
Easterns or Sunnies? Ditto. Oh and ultimately they work for Qantas.
NZ?? Jetconnect, Pacific Blue??? Not good T&Cs ther.
So where are the better opportunities in Oz right now???
Not saying Tiger is brilliant (and Singaporeans are arseholes) but can't see that its any worse.
As for earning $180k per year and working hard. Ask aone out there in different fields who earn that sort of money are they working hard for it - damn right they are. Think I'd rather be earning $180k per yer flying my arse off than earning 60k per year for 50 hour weeks as a senior loans officer with NAB.
Awaiting your response on the better opportunities, i shall apply.
trev
Jetstar? - don't think they're earning $185k as Capts or $113 as F/Os. And I believe they work quite hard and they work for arseholes.
Virgin? Yep not bad money, but any guy with kids doesn't want 15 overnights a month. And they work for arseholes i'm told.
Qantas? Not many guys in our 40s look at that as an option to bring us back to OZ. And they are arseholes too.
Rex? Hmm don't fancy living in a tent at Kurnell and eating dog food.
Easterns or Sunnies? Ditto. Oh and ultimately they work for Qantas.
NZ?? Jetconnect, Pacific Blue??? Not good T&Cs ther.
So where are the better opportunities in Oz right now???
Not saying Tiger is brilliant (and Singaporeans are arseholes) but can't see that its any worse.
As for earning $180k per year and working hard. Ask aone out there in different fields who earn that sort of money are they working hard for it - damn right they are. Think I'd rather be earning $180k per yer flying my arse off than earning 60k per year for 50 hour weeks as a senior loans officer with NAB.
Awaiting your response on the better opportunities, i shall apply.
trev
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The numbers are close but you forgot PLUS PLUS --
9% super on the gross pay to take it over 200
9% super on the gross pay to take it over 200