I'm buggered if I'll take my shoes off for APEC: Whitlam
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Never Agreed with a single thing Gough has said or done 
However, I am with him on this one. Airport security is an OTT farce
We are looking for "the Needle in the haystack" by checking every piece of straw instead of using a metal detector (profiling & other measures) to find the needle directly. All in the name of political correctness.
Lastest example of the farce (in a series of 1,000,000):
Last week in CBR - Airport catering worker (or maybe he was just dressed like that!) is taking some cases of mineral water airside through the pax channel. He puts the cases of water through the scanner - no guns in there! (maybe nitro though since 100ml doesn't apply domestic). He then wheels his LARGE METAL TROLLEY
between the scanners and walks through the body scanner himself. Meanwhile SLF are dutifully taking off their shoes belts etc.
I guess no one in CBR security has ever watched or read "Day of the Jackal"
However, I am with him on this one. Airport security is an OTT farce
We are looking for "the Needle in the haystack" by checking every piece of straw instead of using a metal detector (profiling & other measures) to find the needle directly. All in the name of political correctness.
Lastest example of the farce (in a series of 1,000,000):
Last week in CBR - Airport catering worker (or maybe he was just dressed like that!) is taking some cases of mineral water airside through the pax channel. He puts the cases of water through the scanner - no guns in there! (maybe nitro though since 100ml doesn't apply domestic). He then wheels his LARGE METAL TROLLEY
between the scanners and walks through the body scanner himself. Meanwhile SLF are dutifully taking off their shoes belts etc.I guess no one in CBR security has ever watched or read "Day of the Jackal"
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Some of you guys would do well to actually research the legislative reform he and his government implemented - before mouthing off.
Those of you who were born without a silver spoon in your mouth might have even benefited from them.
Those of you who were born without a silver spoon in your mouth might have even benefited from them.
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Jet_A_Knight - would that include his muddle headed foreign policy including appeasing the Indonesian dictator Suharto - which directly lead to the deaths of 2-300,000 East Timorese (not to mention our journalists etc)?
-Would that include 20+% inflation and a complete economic illiterate as Treasurer.
-Would that include unemployment rising from 3% - 12%? The "workers" really enjoyed that.
-Would that include borrowing money from Saddam Hussein?
Anyway - he did have a certain "presence" and gift for oratory and as I said I agree with his stand on security.
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I'm not sure if you intended to come across as economically and historically simple-minded or not D Lamination. Before crapping on about any inflation or unemployment rates from the 70's, it would pay to seriously think about the different economic situation during those times.
Even a pitifully minute amount of research would've told you that inflation was already rapidly rising when Whitlam came to power, and the Oz dollar was badly undervalued. Not exactly great economic circumstances handed on by his predecessor, whose political party shall remain nameless. Whitlam initiated some fairly substantial reforms for the time, such as revaluations of the dollar and significant tariff cuts. The energy crisis of '73 then played no small part in sending the economy into recession (70% rise in oil prices, etc). Even the apparently legendary JW Howard would've been helpless to prevent that.
Hey, Whitlam was no angel: he deserves criticism for a dysfunctional relationship with the Treasury, among other things, and he failed to keep wages under control. But the "implication" that he was solely responsible - or even inherently responsible - for some of the things you listed, or that they would've ended up differently under, say, a Liberal Government, is just total, utter, and complete bullsh*t. Funnily enough, the Liberal-governed states at the time were openly and braisenly uncooperative with Whitlam's Government back then. Hmmm. I think I've heard the Governnment moaning about that sort of thing just recently!
Even a pitifully minute amount of research would've told you that inflation was already rapidly rising when Whitlam came to power, and the Oz dollar was badly undervalued. Not exactly great economic circumstances handed on by his predecessor, whose political party shall remain nameless. Whitlam initiated some fairly substantial reforms for the time, such as revaluations of the dollar and significant tariff cuts. The energy crisis of '73 then played no small part in sending the economy into recession (70% rise in oil prices, etc). Even the apparently legendary JW Howard would've been helpless to prevent that.
Hey, Whitlam was no angel: he deserves criticism for a dysfunctional relationship with the Treasury, among other things, and he failed to keep wages under control. But the "implication" that he was solely responsible - or even inherently responsible - for some of the things you listed, or that they would've ended up differently under, say, a Liberal Government, is just total, utter, and complete bullsh*t. Funnily enough, the Liberal-governed states at the time were openly and braisenly uncooperative with Whitlam's Government back then. Hmmm. I think I've heard the Governnment moaning about that sort of thing just recently!
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DLAMINATION said:
Delam, you must be a real unit to not agree with the list below, that even a cursory stab at ' Wikipedia' would net you.
In the space of a little less than three years, the Whitlam Government:
1. Established formal diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China
2. Assumed responsibility for tertiary education from the states and abolished tertiary fees
3. Cut tariffs across the board by 25% and abolished the Tariff Board
4. Established the Schools Commission to distribute federal funds to assist non-government schools on a needs basis
5. Introduced a supporting benefit for single-parent families
6. Abolished the death penalty for federal crimes.
7. Reduced the voting age to 18 years
9. Abolished the last vestiges of the White Australia Policy
10. Introduced language programs for non-English speaking Australians
11. Mandated equal opportunities for women in Federal Government employment
12. Appointed women to judicial and administrative positions
13. Abolished conscription
14. Set up the National Aboriginal Consultative Committee
15. Amalgamated the five separate defence departments
16. Instituted direct federal grants to local governments
17. Established the Order of Australia (Australia's own honours system)
18. Improved access to justice for Indigenous Australians
19. Introduced the policy of Self-determination for Indigenous Australians
20. Advocated land rights for Indigenous Australians
21. Increased funding for Indigenous Australian's welfare
22. Introduced the Multiculturalism policy for all new migrants
23. Established Legal Aid
24. Increased funding for the arts.
I never said he was perfect - but credit where credit's due.
Never Agreed with a single thing Gough has said or done
In the space of a little less than three years, the Whitlam Government:
1. Established formal diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China
2. Assumed responsibility for tertiary education from the states and abolished tertiary fees
3. Cut tariffs across the board by 25% and abolished the Tariff Board
4. Established the Schools Commission to distribute federal funds to assist non-government schools on a needs basis
5. Introduced a supporting benefit for single-parent families
6. Abolished the death penalty for federal crimes.
7. Reduced the voting age to 18 years
9. Abolished the last vestiges of the White Australia Policy
10. Introduced language programs for non-English speaking Australians
11. Mandated equal opportunities for women in Federal Government employment
12. Appointed women to judicial and administrative positions
13. Abolished conscription
14. Set up the National Aboriginal Consultative Committee
15. Amalgamated the five separate defence departments
16. Instituted direct federal grants to local governments
17. Established the Order of Australia (Australia's own honours system)
18. Improved access to justice for Indigenous Australians
19. Introduced the policy of Self-determination for Indigenous Australians
20. Advocated land rights for Indigenous Australians
21. Increased funding for Indigenous Australian's welfare
22. Introduced the Multiculturalism policy for all new migrants
23. Established Legal Aid
24. Increased funding for the arts.
I never said he was perfect - but credit where credit's due.
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Who gives a fcuk?
Furthermore, who really cares about the old git has to say anyway. Gough Whitlam sounds more like a male version of Germaine Greer every time he opens his mouth. Now if we could only get him to leave Australia! Fat change though, he's still milking the taxpayer for all he's worth after his failed attempt at leading this country!
P!ss off, Gough!
Furthermore, who really cares about the old git has to say anyway. Gough Whitlam sounds more like a male version of Germaine Greer every time he opens his mouth. Now if we could only get him to leave Australia! Fat change though, he's still milking the taxpayer for all he's worth after his failed attempt at leading this country!
P!ss off, Gough!
my late Uncle Norm was in 13 Squadron with Gough during WW2 and maintained this friendship until his death 18 years ago . I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Whitlam on 2 occassions due to my Uncle Norm's wartime friendship . Mr Whitlam was an absolute pleasure. A humble thoughtful person who genuinely cared about his fellow man. He possesses more intellect, humility and altruism in his big toe than a non entity like yourself would ever possess.
what a pity there is no smiley for "w@nker"
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my late Uncle Norm was in 13 Squadron with Gough during WW2
Whitless set in train a series of loony left policies which ballooned to the excesses we endured for a generation.
If you want the same to occur now, then you will vote for Pixie and Dixie, who will soon turn into Bonnie and Clyde if elected.
Economists have already predicted that the cash pool will be too much for them to hold and it will drip through their collective fingers like a squadron of Scrooge McDuck's swimming in the Treasury vault as they repeat the history of Whitless and his successors including The Mask - aka loony left Fraser dressed as a Liberal.
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Like Most Morons
You forget to view the Australian economy in a world context.
You will find that inflation,interest rates and employment were similar or worse in other western economies.
The australian Economy does not exist in a vaccuum.
The sub prime market collapse in the states is a perfect example.
Learn some basic economics.
The boom that we are currently experiencing is not due to Howard but rather the demand for our resources.
The only reason Howard et al have such a large budget surplus is because these swine are the highest taxing government in the history of Australia and in the present OECD.
A drovers dog could and is running this country.
Personal freedoms are decreasing and political correctness has become fanatical.
Unde Howard Australia has become a divided selfish and mostly unhappy country.
Employment has increased due to contracts and casual work.
The working poor who cant get a mortgage buy a car or even a fridge.
The gap between the haves and have nots has now become a chasm.
Whitlam had vision and took over an economy neglected by the conservatives for 25 years.
History will view JWH poorly
You will find that inflation,interest rates and employment were similar or worse in other western economies.
The australian Economy does not exist in a vaccuum.
The sub prime market collapse in the states is a perfect example.
Learn some basic economics.
The boom that we are currently experiencing is not due to Howard but rather the demand for our resources.
The only reason Howard et al have such a large budget surplus is because these swine are the highest taxing government in the history of Australia and in the present OECD.
A drovers dog could and is running this country.
Personal freedoms are decreasing and political correctness has become fanatical.
Unde Howard Australia has become a divided selfish and mostly unhappy country.
Employment has increased due to contracts and casual work.
The working poor who cant get a mortgage buy a car or even a fridge.
The gap between the haves and have nots has now become a chasm.
Whitlam had vision and took over an economy neglected by the conservatives for 25 years.
History will view JWH poorly
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Defcon 4 wrote:
"History will view JWH poorly"
Very poorly indeed Defcon very very poorly indeed - however he may well be remembered as a trivial pursuit question "Who is the only Australian PM to have led the country in an attack of a sovereign state" actually there are a few of those come to think of it......."Who was the undisputed worst treasurer in Australia's history" "Who was the highest taxing PM in Australian history" - over to you..............
"History will view JWH poorly"
Very poorly indeed Defcon very very poorly indeed - however he may well be remembered as a trivial pursuit question "Who is the only Australian PM to have led the country in an attack of a sovereign state" actually there are a few of those come to think of it......."Who was the undisputed worst treasurer in Australia's history" "Who was the highest taxing PM in Australian history" - over to you..............
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