Finally, some balls - NJS Pilots take industrial action
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Seems The Balls Are Starting To Get A Bit Squashy !
TWU, National Jet work it out
Monday, 17 September 2007
Rebecca Lawson
PROGRESS is being made between National Jet and the Transport Workers Union (TWU) with the latter stopping short of applying for industrial action that could have thrown the mining industry into turmoil for its fly-in, fly-out workers.
TWU organiser Rick Burton told MiningNews.net the union and the contracted air services provider, which employs pilots who fly for QantasLink, have had two meetings so far, with another one arranged for later this week.
Burton said the TWU had not applied to the Industrial Relations Commission to seek approval for a secret ballot, which could have led to industrial action, because National Jet had indicated it was prepared to talk about the pilots' grievances.
At the end of last month, around 70 pilots voted unanimously to have collective union agreements replace their current individual contracts, and the inclusion of some conditions such as training, promotion, equal pay and reasonable working hours.
The TWU had previously threatened to launch an industrial campaign following the outcome of the secret ballot, which could have included eight-hour and rolling stoppages and placing work bans on flying times.
Any industrial action would have thrown a spanner in the works for fly-in-fly out workers in Western Australia's Pilbara region with National Jet counting Rio Tinto, Minara Resources, Newcrest, Santos and Bristow Helicopters among its clients.
"If we don't start to have a positive outcome on that one [meeting later in the week] then I think our application for a secret ballot would happen early next week," Burton said today.
"So far we've sat down and had two meetings, so we've just got to get from them that they're going to do a collective agreement."
Burton added he was confident industrial action would not be necessary, but that would depend on the outcome of this week's meeting.
A National Jet spokesperson told MNn the company had nothing further to add.
Monday, 17 September 2007Rebecca Lawson
PROGRESS is being made between National Jet and the Transport Workers Union (TWU) with the latter stopping short of applying for industrial action that could have thrown the mining industry into turmoil for its fly-in, fly-out workers.
TWU organiser Rick Burton told MiningNews.net the union and the contracted air services provider, which employs pilots who fly for QantasLink, have had two meetings so far, with another one arranged for later this week.
Burton said the TWU had not applied to the Industrial Relations Commission to seek approval for a secret ballot, which could have led to industrial action, because National Jet had indicated it was prepared to talk about the pilots' grievances.
At the end of last month, around 70 pilots voted unanimously to have collective union agreements replace their current individual contracts, and the inclusion of some conditions such as training, promotion, equal pay and reasonable working hours.
The TWU had previously threatened to launch an industrial campaign following the outcome of the secret ballot, which could have included eight-hour and rolling stoppages and placing work bans on flying times.
Any industrial action would have thrown a spanner in the works for fly-in-fly out workers in Western Australia's Pilbara region with National Jet counting Rio Tinto, Minara Resources, Newcrest, Santos and Bristow Helicopters among its clients.
"If we don't start to have a positive outcome on that one [meeting later in the week] then I think our application for a secret ballot would happen early next week," Burton said today.
"So far we've sat down and had two meetings, so we've just got to get from them that they're going to do a collective agreement."
Burton added he was confident industrial action would not be necessary, but that would depend on the outcome of this week's meeting.
A National Jet spokesperson told MNn the company had nothing further to add.
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Blaster 666 Welcome Back
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You are a f#cking Goose that article is over 10 days old. Obviously you are not a TWU member and therefore don't know jacksh#t about diddly squat so don't bother commenting any further.
I truly hope you don't fly aeroplanes for a living.
You are a f#cking Goose that article is over 10 days old. Obviously you are not a TWU member and therefore don't know jacksh#t about diddly squat so don't bother commenting any further.
I truly hope you don't fly aeroplanes for a living.
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Get With The Subject !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JOKE Me This Riddler !
Someone asks a question & I post a reply. Der, that is what forums are for funny man.
Get on the subject & forget the personal attacks. My view has been, is & will be that none of you chest beaters WILL have the balls to vote for a strike let alone have one. God I hope you take your blinkers off when your in the cockpit or do you just serve coffee ?
Someone asks a question & I post a reply. Der, that is what forums are for funny man.
Get on the subject & forget the personal attacks. My view has been, is & will be that none of you chest beaters WILL have the balls to vote for a strike let alone have one. God I hope you take your blinkers off when your in the cockpit or do you just serve coffee ?
Get on the subject & forget the personal attacks.
bunch of pilots that reneged on that deal to serve their own greed
Your unwillingness/inability to think
you intellectual giant
you are festering
why don't you have the balls to stand on you ethics & get a job you are happy with instead of being a monkey that plays to game & holds his hand each month for coins everytime the organ grinder spins your tail.
like disgruntled militant busdrivers (or school teachers in Bloggs case)
God I hope you take your blinkers off when your in the cockpit or do you just serve coffee ?
A note for you - why is it that in all of your posts, as soon as the debate on the ISSUE becomes logical against your OPINION, you revert to personal attack ? Maybe just a coincidence, but it may be better in representing our interests to be rationale rather than emotional if this is also exhibited outside this forum !!
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Point Made
As if magically to reinforce my point, none of YOUR edited content above contributed in any way to the subject of the thread. All I am trying to do is provide material relevant to questions or conversation on the subject or (unfortunately) respond to personal attacks from intellectuals who prefer to play the man rather than the issue if anyone "dares" to raise an alternative opinion.
However, I now see the reason why many of us are humoured rather than contribute to these forums and will revert to looking after myself rather than trying to influence the collective 'mindset' of other NJS pilots because it seems the minds are set.
Good luck chaps, I'll wave to you at the picket lines as I admire your wonderful testicles blowing in the wind when you finally decide to show them to the CIA !!!!
However, I now see the reason why many of us are humoured rather than contribute to these forums and will revert to looking after myself rather than trying to influence the collective 'mindset' of other NJS pilots because it seems the minds are set.
Good luck chaps, I'll wave to you at the picket lines as I admire your wonderful testicles blowing in the wind when you finally decide to show them to the CIA !!!!
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Well well well,
you pilots have thrown a big spanner in the works now haven't you!!!
We didn't excpect that your STRIKE action would be approved.
Your smarter than we gave you credit for! It appears even the courts are on your side.
I am as well of course.
It may be the last pilot the management screw, but I still want my little piece of BUM.
you pilots have thrown a big spanner in the works now haven't you!!!
We didn't excpect that your STRIKE action would be approved.
Your smarter than we gave you credit for! It appears even the courts are on your side.
I am as well of course.
It may be the last pilot the management screw, but I still want my little piece of BUM.
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Blaster 666 Wir werden sehen.
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Your lack of faith in your teammates and angry, frustrated retorts entertain me. You even seek to derogate your Cabin Crews in an attempt at insulting me. One day your life may be in the hands of your crew.
When this is all over I will be around ready to shake your hand and share a smile at some of our comments. Until then I am going to grow up and watch a movie instead.
P.S. Vive le revolution.
Your lack of faith in your teammates and angry, frustrated retorts entertain me. You even seek to derogate your Cabin Crews in an attempt at insulting me. One day your life may be in the hands of your crew.
When this is all over I will be around ready to shake your hand and share a smile at some of our comments. Until then I am going to grow up and watch a movie instead.
P.S. Vive le revolution.
Sneering Jerk!
Five Dogs. You're a such a sneering Jerk. (Apparently homosexual as well!) I really can believe you're a True Blue CIA operative. Your support is the last thing we want. F Off!
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Flying Fox...
It appears fivedogs is in ADL, possibly someone involved in management and sick of seeing pilots and friends constantly screwed over... having someone in ADL on the pilots side would be a refreshingly new concept!
From what I understand, its not so much 'strike' action that has been approved, but Protected Industrial Action... slightly different? correct me if Im wrong. Either way, in my opinion... fight for something more than CPI! For christs sake, nows the time to push hard. Raise the bar then negotiate. Dont start low, then fight and whinge again in 6 months time when this is all forgotten and you've negotiated nothing less than an AWA you had 3 yrs ago! Management will kick back and laugh.
Guys are walking now, why? Well, its not because of CPI. Look at the big picture, aviation has alot to offer these days...
It appears fivedogs is in ADL, possibly someone involved in management and sick of seeing pilots and friends constantly screwed over... having someone in ADL on the pilots side would be a refreshingly new concept!
From what I understand, its not so much 'strike' action that has been approved, but Protected Industrial Action... slightly different? correct me if Im wrong. Either way, in my opinion... fight for something more than CPI! For christs sake, nows the time to push hard. Raise the bar then negotiate. Dont start low, then fight and whinge again in 6 months time when this is all forgotten and you've negotiated nothing less than an AWA you had 3 yrs ago! Management will kick back and laugh.
Guys are walking now, why? Well, its not because of CPI. Look at the big picture, aviation has alot to offer these days...
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Flyingfox, you homophobic moron.
I take offence at that homosexual comment.
I bat for all sides!!
I will be in the sim soon, and I will find out who you are and your mine boy!!
I am not sick of watching pilots being screwed over, I just want to be the one who does it. I hate pilots but I need them on side to find out the goss.
I honestly believe I am an intelectual generation or two above all of you!
I take offence at that homosexual comment.
I bat for all sides!!
I will be in the sim soon, and I will find out who you are and your mine boy!!
I am not sick of watching pilots being screwed over, I just want to be the one who does it. I hate pilots but I need them on side to find out the goss.
I honestly believe I am an intelectual generation or two above all of you!
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I honestly believe I am an intelectual generation or two above all of you!
Boys, the sign says " Do not feed the Monkeys ".
I will be in the sim soon, and I will find out who you are and your mine boy !!
And to the ignore box for that onanist.
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From the ABC website for your information
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...04/2051257.htm
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...04/2051257.htm
Pilots prepare for action over pay dispute
Posted 24 minutes ago
Pilots who fly for QantasLink will soon vote on proposed workbans of up to two days, after the Industrial Relations Commission (IRC) paved the way for protected industrial action over a pay dispute.
The Commission has granted permission for scores of pilots from Western Australia, the Northern Territory and Queensland to vote in a secret ballot.
Transport Workers Union (TWU) spokesman Rick Burton says he is confident his members will support industrial action, and warns it could lead to a disruption in flights used by mining industry workers.
Unions are demanding a collective employment agreement.
Pilots employer National Jet says the push for a ballot is premature, but the company says it will be prepared for any industrial action that may eventuate.
Posted 24 minutes ago
Pilots who fly for QantasLink will soon vote on proposed workbans of up to two days, after the Industrial Relations Commission (IRC) paved the way for protected industrial action over a pay dispute.
The Commission has granted permission for scores of pilots from Western Australia, the Northern Territory and Queensland to vote in a secret ballot.
Transport Workers Union (TWU) spokesman Rick Burton says he is confident his members will support industrial action, and warns it could lead to a disruption in flights used by mining industry workers.
Unions are demanding a collective employment agreement.
Pilots employer National Jet says the push for a ballot is premature, but the company says it will be prepared for any industrial action that may eventuate.
INTERIM DECISION
[1] The Transport Workers Union of Australia (TWU) has applied for an order for a protected action ballot in respect of employees of National Jet Systems Pty Ltd (NJS). The application was lodged on 28 September 2007 and heard in Perth on 3 October 2007. NJS opposed the application on the following grounds:
(1) the TWU is not genuinely trying to reach agreement;
(2) the TWU application does not adequately detail the types of employees who are to be included in the ballot; and
(3) the TWU has not included adequate details of the nature of the proposed industrial action.
[2] Both the TWU and NJS adduced evidence and made extensive submissions in the hearing. In the course of its submissions the TWU amended its application in so far as it relates to the nature of the proposed industrial action. The amendment was not opposed. I have considered the evidence and the submissions and I satisfied that an order for a protected action ballot should be made. In particular I am satisfied that the TWU is genuinely trying to reach agreement and that the application adequately details the types of employees who will be included in the ballot. I am also satisfied that the proposed industrial action has the requisite degree of specificity.
[3] NJS, in anticipation of an order being made, applied for an order extending the period of notice of any industrial action that may be given pursuant to s.441 of the WR Act to seven days in lieu of the three days therein prescribed. Section 463(5) makes provision for the Commission to extend the notice period if it is satisfied that there are exceptional circumstances justifying the period of written notice.
[4] NJS submitted that there are exceptional circumstances for extending the period in this case. Those circumstances were said to be in relation to the air services NJS provides to the mining industry and to the territories of Christmas Island and Cocos Island. The evidence was that three days may be inadequate time for arranging alternative services in the event of strike action. Much would depend on the availability of alternative services and the existing business commitments of those services.
[5] I am satisfied that strike action by NJS pilots is likely to have some impact on its clients. But impact on third parties is as likely in many other industries as it is in the airline industry. I am not satisfied that the likely consequences of strike action constitute exceptional circumstances justifying and extension of the notice period.
[6] More detailed reasons for my decision will be published on 5 October 2007.
Appearances:
T. Borgeest for Transport Workers’ Union of Australia.
A. Gotting of Counsel for National Jet Systems Pty ltd.
Hearing details:
2007.
Perth:
October, 3
http://www.airc.gov.au/container.htm...all_decisions/
[1] The Transport Workers Union of Australia (TWU) has applied for an order for a protected action ballot in respect of employees of National Jet Systems Pty Ltd (NJS). The application was lodged on 28 September 2007 and heard in Perth on 3 October 2007. NJS opposed the application on the following grounds:
(1) the TWU is not genuinely trying to reach agreement;
(2) the TWU application does not adequately detail the types of employees who are to be included in the ballot; and
(3) the TWU has not included adequate details of the nature of the proposed industrial action.
[2] Both the TWU and NJS adduced evidence and made extensive submissions in the hearing. In the course of its submissions the TWU amended its application in so far as it relates to the nature of the proposed industrial action. The amendment was not opposed. I have considered the evidence and the submissions and I satisfied that an order for a protected action ballot should be made. In particular I am satisfied that the TWU is genuinely trying to reach agreement and that the application adequately details the types of employees who will be included in the ballot. I am also satisfied that the proposed industrial action has the requisite degree of specificity.
[3] NJS, in anticipation of an order being made, applied for an order extending the period of notice of any industrial action that may be given pursuant to s.441 of the WR Act to seven days in lieu of the three days therein prescribed. Section 463(5) makes provision for the Commission to extend the notice period if it is satisfied that there are exceptional circumstances justifying the period of written notice.
[4] NJS submitted that there are exceptional circumstances for extending the period in this case. Those circumstances were said to be in relation to the air services NJS provides to the mining industry and to the territories of Christmas Island and Cocos Island. The evidence was that three days may be inadequate time for arranging alternative services in the event of strike action. Much would depend on the availability of alternative services and the existing business commitments of those services.
[5] I am satisfied that strike action by NJS pilots is likely to have some impact on its clients. But impact on third parties is as likely in many other industries as it is in the airline industry. I am not satisfied that the likely consequences of strike action constitute exceptional circumstances justifying and extension of the notice period.
[6] More detailed reasons for my decision will be published on 5 October 2007.
Appearances:
T. Borgeest for Transport Workers’ Union of Australia.
A. Gotting of Counsel for National Jet Systems Pty ltd.
Hearing details:
2007.
Perth:
October, 3
http://www.airc.gov.au/container.htm...all_decisions/
Pilots employer National Jet says the push for a ballot is premature, but the company says it will be prepared for any industrial action that may eventuate.
