Finally, some balls - NJS Pilots take industrial action
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Renurpp The Blind
Renurpp - I guarantee I know much more about our agreements than you. I have bothered to talk to the boys that did the deal for us. I know what they did, why they did it and how they would have gotten a much better deal than your blind pursuit of aggravation against the hand that feeds you. Your self interest will sell us out & provide a tarnish that will last many years. Your unwillingness/inability to think
outside the dots & find ways to extract money commercially rather than by bribe shows ignorance & foolishness.
Have you bothered to read the workchoices legislation ? Are you aware of the flexibility it provides for us collectively & individually to achieve much much more annual increases than your sacred CPI ........ if you have, where are your ideas......why aren't you listing the options to us .......why haven't you accepted the management challenge to 'show em the money' ....if its there why can't you extract it with your abundant brain matter !!!!????
NOTE THIS in your diaries ye followers of Saviour Renurpp - by the birth of 2008 our long term futures will have been compromised forever - we may have won the battle but do you think our longer term ability to work with the company top achieve more money to share will have been enhanced !!!!????
and so the thread started FINALLY SOME BALLS !!!! - c'mon if we had any real balls we would be presenting a business case for performance bonuses based on a cooperated growth in productivity AND including better lifestyle rosters.
BUT...........F
K....what do I know........ let's STRIKE ...... tha'll fix it 
outside the dots & find ways to extract money commercially rather than by bribe shows ignorance & foolishness.Have you bothered to read the workchoices legislation ? Are you aware of the flexibility it provides for us collectively & individually to achieve much much more annual increases than your sacred CPI ........ if you have, where are your ideas......why aren't you listing the options to us .......why haven't you accepted the management challenge to 'show em the money' ....if its there why can't you extract it with your abundant brain matter !!!!????
NOTE THIS in your diaries ye followers of Saviour Renurpp - by the birth of 2008 our long term futures will have been compromised forever - we may have won the battle but do you think our longer term ability to work with the company top achieve more money to share will have been enhanced !!!!????
and so the thread started FINALLY SOME BALLS !!!! - c'mon if we had any real balls we would be presenting a business case for performance bonuses based on a cooperated growth in productivity AND including better lifestyle rosters.
BUT...........F
K....what do I know........ let's STRIKE ...... tha'll fix it
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blaster, if you have, where are YOUR ideas presented to the pilot group?? 
Unless you have suggestions, and voice them, dont criticize!!
Just like people who don't enrol to vote then complain about the government..
Have you bothered to read the workchoices legislation ? Are you aware of the flexibility it provides for us collectively & individually to achieve much much more annual increases than your sacred CPI ........ if you have, where are your ideas......
Unless you have suggestions, and voice them, dont criticize!!
Just like people who don't enrol to vote then complain about the government..
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You sound like my little mate around the corner!
Are you MFO or passing yourself off as same, maybe your the very short person with the worlds biggest chip that has the direct line to our back sides?? We really like you, your our friend.
In any case you need to do what I do, pretend every one is your friend.
Keep singing the company song old mate and I will have a job down here for you soon.
Are you MFO or passing yourself off as same, maybe your the very short person with the worlds biggest chip that has the direct line to our back sides?? We really like you, your our friend.
In any case you need to do what I do, pretend every one is your friend.
Keep singing the company song old mate and I will have a job down here for you soon.
Blaster,
Its good to see that you have absolutely no faith in your fellow work mates.
They do not follow any one blindly, not the current PG or the previous PG, and neither they should.
What they do realise, at least 90% of them anyway is that we have been screwed over long enough.
What you fail to realise, and I will make it clear to all is that more than 50% of the previous PGC are supporters of the current action. Where does that leave your argument?
I second Jetracers comments. If you are the genius you believe you are
and have such great ideas, and can save the world, please email the committe and advise them, just like alot of others have done.
Folks this guys supports, F/O's on $60,000 yr!
Captains on $90,000 yr
partially paying for endorsements + bonding! Whilst on a training wage of $35,000!!
Accepts being dragged from a final sim ride and advised that if he doesn't sign an AWA he will be unemployed as completely reasonable.
Pilots who are not given command slotts with no explanation simply the MFT decided by "rumour" that they are not suitable.
Lets follow this guy, he's really concerned with his "comrades"
Its good to see that you have absolutely no faith in your fellow work mates.
They do not follow any one blindly, not the current PG or the previous PG, and neither they should.
What they do realise, at least 90% of them anyway is that we have been screwed over long enough.
What you fail to realise, and I will make it clear to all is that more than 50% of the previous PGC are supporters of the current action. Where does that leave your argument?
I second Jetracers comments. If you are the genius you believe you are
and have such great ideas, and can save the world, please email the committe and advise them, just like alot of others have done. Folks this guys supports, F/O's on $60,000 yr!
Captains on $90,000 yr
partially paying for endorsements + bonding! Whilst on a training wage of $35,000!!
Accepts being dragged from a final sim ride and advised that if he doesn't sign an AWA he will be unemployed as completely reasonable.
Pilots who are not given command slotts with no explanation simply the MFT decided by "rumour" that they are not suitable.
Lets follow this guy, he's really concerned with his "comrades"
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Now I again won't get into what the NJ boys and girls think is the best thing to do in their situation. Thats up to them and management masquerading as probationary posters to decide, and good luck too.
I would however, like to point out some truths for the pro workchoice mob. I was listening to the lefty ABC today at about 1230 today and heard an interesting bloke who was one of those super smart economist types. He was pointing out to the listeners that workchoices as it stands is a dated 2 decade old concept. The current thinking of the world bank, IMF and most forward thinking govts, re Wolfowitz and the ubercons, is that regulated labour markets bring more productivity and lower overall costs, as do better wages. So for every example our pro people throw up I'll counter with places that are nice to their people with regulated labour and strong unions and who have had exceptional, stable economic growth.
So dont give me the argument that the reason for our current economic success is workchoices or it's the thing that will keep it. Save that crap for the people who don't know any better. Economic success is not that simple.
As to the argument the company will die if you don't take these beans, well if your business relies on your employees always getting less, then you're not that good at business. Maybe someone smarter should be there. If you can't make money in WA aviation right now then something is seriously wrong with you.
I say again, good luck to the NJS people and I hope you can get what you need without pain or polarisation. Sorry for the thread drift to people, I'm just getting a little tired of old thought and old cliches.
I would however, like to point out some truths for the pro workchoice mob. I was listening to the lefty ABC today at about 1230 today and heard an interesting bloke who was one of those super smart economist types. He was pointing out to the listeners that workchoices as it stands is a dated 2 decade old concept. The current thinking of the world bank, IMF and most forward thinking govts, re Wolfowitz and the ubercons, is that regulated labour markets bring more productivity and lower overall costs, as do better wages. So for every example our pro people throw up I'll counter with places that are nice to their people with regulated labour and strong unions and who have had exceptional, stable economic growth.
So dont give me the argument that the reason for our current economic success is workchoices or it's the thing that will keep it. Save that crap for the people who don't know any better. Economic success is not that simple.
As to the argument the company will die if you don't take these beans, well if your business relies on your employees always getting less, then you're not that good at business. Maybe someone smarter should be there. If you can't make money in WA aviation right now then something is seriously wrong with you.
I say again, good luck to the NJS people and I hope you can get what you need without pain or polarisation. Sorry for the thread drift to people, I'm just getting a little tired of old thought and old cliches.
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It is not RENURRP who will sell out and tarnish this company it is guess who.
Sometimes the tight budgets and enormous pressure to make things happen make even the best intentioned people fold.
Choices are made, regrettable choices.
Pilots are employed to operate aircraft safely, legally and where possible extract additional commercial advantage.
Our Pilot do their jobs very well. Always have and probably always will.
It is the job of others to manage the show so that the operation remains profitable and the key to that is balancing revenue streams and cost control against the human needs and respect for our staff.
Blindly pursuing money related issues has caused the alienation of our valuable staff.
The 70% turnover of Pilot labour at SAPL and almost crippling shortage of Engineering Licence coverage in Perth are the undesired outcomes to our strategy.
Now being too stubborn to concede any ground to the Workplace Ombudsman and our determination to weather Protected Industrial Action against a $550 per year claim. The claim isn't even about more money for Pilots only retaining current conditions.
It is these decisions made by others, who are not Pilots, which will determine the fate of this Company.
If RENURRP and others did not front me I would just keep asking for more from the staff. That is the nature of our business and I wouldn't be able help my self.
History has proven this to be correct.
It is not RENURRP who will sell out and tarnish this company it is guess who.
Sometimes the tight budgets and enormous pressure to make things happen make even the best intentioned people fold.
Choices are made, regrettable choices.
Pilots are employed to operate aircraft safely, legally and where possible extract additional commercial advantage.
Our Pilot do their jobs very well. Always have and probably always will.
It is the job of others to manage the show so that the operation remains profitable and the key to that is balancing revenue streams and cost control against the human needs and respect for our staff.
Blindly pursuing money related issues has caused the alienation of our valuable staff.
The 70% turnover of Pilot labour at SAPL and almost crippling shortage of Engineering Licence coverage in Perth are the undesired outcomes to our strategy.
Now being too stubborn to concede any ground to the Workplace Ombudsman and our determination to weather Protected Industrial Action against a $550 per year claim. The claim isn't even about more money for Pilots only retaining current conditions.
It is these decisions made by others, who are not Pilots, which will determine the fate of this Company.
If RENURRP and others did not front me I would just keep asking for more from the staff. That is the nature of our business and I wouldn't be able help my self.
History has proven this to be correct.
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As to the argument the company will die if you don't take these beans, well if your business relies on your employees always getting less, then you're not that good at business. Maybe someone smarter should be there.
Nice work WOG.
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Blaster 666 good on you for finally speaking the truth. I have been following this thread with some interest for some time and find it hard to believe that the pilots at NJS are considering striking, when the horse bolted at the initial 717 negotiations back in 2005. The deal to begin with stunk to high heaven and those that were willing to accept to protect there own selfish reasons, are now getting their just desserts and screaming foul of the whole thing. This started with the pilot group and obviously could not be finished with them, thats why all of a sudden there was a massive induction of NJS pilots to the TWU.
Believe me, with the level of ground the pilots gave in the initial negotiations, its no wonder the NJS management have taken the stance they have. There was no turning back from such a **** deal to begin with.
I mean a company that believes long serving staff , that should have to pay for their conversions and take pay cuts to make their business viable is absolutely ridiculous and leaves no doubt in my mind that new staff have now where to go but down.
Those that could, left to greener pastures with their fingers in the air leaving a hole to be filled by the ignorant ,destined to be brain washed by those who caused this to begin with.
Believe me, with the level of ground the pilots gave in the initial negotiations, its no wonder the NJS management have taken the stance they have. There was no turning back from such a **** deal to begin with.
I mean a company that believes long serving staff , that should have to pay for their conversions and take pay cuts to make their business viable is absolutely ridiculous and leaves no doubt in my mind that new staff have now where to go but down.
Those that could, left to greener pastures with their fingers in the air leaving a hole to be filled by the ignorant ,destined to be brain washed by those who caused this to begin with.
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what else did you get for Christmas?
A lovely wife!
Congratulations. Has she learned any English yet?
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Originally Posted by ITCZ
what else did you get for Christmas?
A lovely wife!
Congratulations. Has she learned any English yet?
They are either from Adelaide or every person who is not in the TWU and has a beef with the current action, the whole half dozen of them, have found there way to PPRUNE. Notice the number of posts each has made prior to this??
If they had the balls to stand behind their ideas they would contact some one involved, either the TWU or a PG committee person, reality is they don't have the courage of their convictions oR totally incompetent and made it to Bull**** castle and this is some weird type of PR campaign.
If they had the balls to stand behind their ideas they would contact some one involved, either the TWU or a PG committee person, reality is they don't have the courage of their convictions oR totally incompetent and made it to Bull**** castle and this is some weird type of PR campaign.
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Thanks for the spelling feedback Bloggs - adding value to to the debate you intellectual giant !
ADL Spin Doctor - you are festering - why don't you have the balls to stand on you ethics & get a job you are happy with instead of being a monkey that plays to game & holds his hand each month for coins everytime the organ grinder spins your tail.
Fellow pilots - my aim is simply to suggest that we can achieve MORE not LESS if we play the game of commerce. Show them we are intelligent & commercially focussed professionals that have/can contribute more to the business and DEMAND contractually that achieving those goals = more money for us rather than acting like disgruntled militant busdrivers (or school teachers in Bloggs case) with fists in the air pretending we can beat the man (leave, rosters, overtime, contactability, fuel, customer satisfaction, productivity are some of the words of business I think we are smart enough to translate into more $'s than CPI per annum).
We are all agreed the best form of defence is attack - it is just the strategy of the attack will make the difference between the winner of a battle versus the war.
ADL Spin Doctor - you are festering - why don't you have the balls to stand on you ethics & get a job you are happy with instead of being a monkey that plays to game & holds his hand each month for coins everytime the organ grinder spins your tail.
Fellow pilots - my aim is simply to suggest that we can achieve MORE not LESS if we play the game of commerce. Show them we are intelligent & commercially focussed professionals that have/can contribute more to the business and DEMAND contractually that achieving those goals = more money for us rather than acting like disgruntled militant busdrivers (or school teachers in Bloggs case) with fists in the air pretending we can beat the man (leave, rosters, overtime, contactability, fuel, customer satisfaction, productivity are some of the words of business I think we are smart enough to translate into more $'s than CPI per annum).
We are all agreed the best form of defence is attack - it is just the strategy of the attack will make the difference between the winner of a battle versus the war.
Blaster,
What planet did you arrive from.
What the f*& does that mean. i hope you understand what your on about?
Dirty,
You need to reconsider your post. On one hand you blowing trumpets up blaster rssss, next minute you are undermining his aregument.
Can't have it both ways old mate.
What planet did you arrive from.
why don't you have the balls to stand on you ethics & get a job you are happy with instead of being a monkey that plays to game & holds his hand each month for coins everytime the organ grinder spins your tail.
Dirty,
You need to reconsider your post. On one hand you blowing trumpets up blaster rssss, next minute you are undermining his aregument.
Can't have it both ways old mate.
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Interesting Pattern
Renurpp - the reason I have not contributed before is that I do not normally get involved in public intellectual debates. Just do my job & be satisfied for the choices I have made & the PERSONAL decisions I have the power to make (and will continue to make).
A note for you - why is it that in all of your posts, as soon as the debate on the ISSUE becomes logical against your OPINION, you revert to personal attack ? Maybe just a coincidence, but it may be better in representing our interests to be rationale rather than emotional if this is also exhibited outside this forum !!
A note for you - why is it that in all of your posts, as soon as the debate on the ISSUE becomes logical against your OPINION, you revert to personal attack ? Maybe just a coincidence, but it may be better in representing our interests to be rationale rather than emotional if this is also exhibited outside this forum !!
I do not normally get involved in public intellectual debates.
Post a logical post and I will discuss it with you
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Renurpp, I am not in the game of blowing trumpets up anyones arse. I personally did not agree with the original deal and certainly have no time for a management structure that negotiates on fear, and therefore chose to leave to far greener pastures. Blast seems to be right in what he is saying though. You all negotiated this deal and now you don't like it.
As the saying goes " you make your own bed and now you will lie in it".
As the saying goes " you make your own bed and now you will lie in it".