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Emirates - First Officers
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Pack your bags, add up your log books and open your wallets. I don’t think these guys will muck around with their expansion. Watch out VB and JQ, and then watch out regionals.
From here. It’s about time some reality was published. I don’t care that the managers and traveling public think we are already overpaid. If it is so easy and lucrative then they can pay the $100k and get in line. I know they won’t so I am comfortable in knowing that soon you and I will have a licence (pilot’s licence and experience) to print money.
EMIRATES - FIRST OFFICERS
Emirates Airline is a dynamic, multicultural organisation with ambitious global growth plans. We are recruiting high-calibre worldwide talent to fly our advanced and continuously expanding fleet of Airbus A330/A340 and Boeing 777 aircraft. These positions are based in Dubai - the modern, cosmopolitan city of the future.
We offer technically proficient First Officers challenging career opportunities including the chance to fly an extensive international route network and excellent prospects for upgrade to Captain.
In addition to a competitive salary. We offer a comprehensive benefit package that includes accommodation, health insurance and educational support for children.
Emirates Airline is a dynamic, multicultural organisation with ambitious global growth plans. We are recruiting high-calibre worldwide talent to fly our advanced and continuously expanding fleet of Airbus A330/A340 and Boeing 777 aircraft. These positions are based in Dubai - the modern, cosmopolitan city of the future.
We offer technically proficient First Officers challenging career opportunities including the chance to fly an extensive international route network and excellent prospects for upgrade to Captain.
In addition to a competitive salary. We offer a comprehensive benefit package that includes accommodation, health insurance and educational support for children.
Pilots federation executive director Terry O'Connell said a key problem was that the high costs associated with commercial pilot training, which he estimated at more than $100,000, was turning young people away from the job.
He said the federation supported calls to extend HECS funding to student pilots, a proposal backed by Mr Vaile and Qantas.
They've got to start making piloting, ground engineering and some of those skilled professional areas attractive again," Mr O'Connell said. "They've been squeezed so much in work conditions, in degradation of salaries, and people have a lot better options now than used to exist 10 years ago.
"In the old days the economic cost of low salaries in general aviation and those sorts of areas were offset by fact that if you got to be a TAA, or an Ansett or a Qantas pilot, you were recompensed," Mr O'Connell said.
"That's not happening to the same degree now."
Highly skilled Australians were being attracted overseas, particularly younger pilots, because of rapid growth in areas such as China and India, he said.
Those wanting to come back were slow to do so because conditions in Australia were not as attractive as they should be.
He said the federation supported calls to extend HECS funding to student pilots, a proposal backed by Mr Vaile and Qantas.
They've got to start making piloting, ground engineering and some of those skilled professional areas attractive again," Mr O'Connell said. "They've been squeezed so much in work conditions, in degradation of salaries, and people have a lot better options now than used to exist 10 years ago.
"In the old days the economic cost of low salaries in general aviation and those sorts of areas were offset by fact that if you got to be a TAA, or an Ansett or a Qantas pilot, you were recompensed," Mr O'Connell said.
"That's not happening to the same degree now."
Highly skilled Australians were being attracted overseas, particularly younger pilots, because of rapid growth in areas such as China and India, he said.
Those wanting to come back were slow to do so because conditions in Australia were not as attractive as they should be.
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Those wanting to come back were slow to do so because conditions in Australia were not as attractive as they should be
A little thing like a lack of pilots will not be allowed to prevent aircraft from flying in the long run.
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ScottyDoo has a point if other professions (and skills that would not be classed as professions) are anything to go by. The Middle East is awash with Australian passport-holders, many of whom - and I mean MANY - spent just the minumum time it took to get the magic passport in Australia before coming back to or near the part of the world they were born in to earn a tax free salary - until they're ready to return to Australia to retire (or sooner).
To be fair, that's not a lot different to what a lot of native-born Australians living in the Middle East are doing, but somehow it different to see so many of these people who had to spin quite a yarn to the Australian Immigration people to be granted residence had little intention of putting anything into the country beyond the bare minimum required. They and their Australian pasport-holing children are not becoming Australians by living in he country. They're just holding a piece of paper that is little more than a 'bolt hole of convenience' if and when they might need it, (as so many Australian passport holders living permanently in Lebanon as dual passport holders did so loudly when the war intervened in their country of choice of residence last year).
I think it's almost a certainty we'll see the same thing happen in a number of cases among any pilots who are accepted into Australia to fill jobs that the airlines say can't be filled by Australians.
To be fair, that's not a lot different to what a lot of native-born Australians living in the Middle East are doing, but somehow it different to see so many of these people who had to spin quite a yarn to the Australian Immigration people to be granted residence had little intention of putting anything into the country beyond the bare minimum required. They and their Australian pasport-holing children are not becoming Australians by living in he country. They're just holding a piece of paper that is little more than a 'bolt hole of convenience' if and when they might need it, (as so many Australian passport holders living permanently in Lebanon as dual passport holders did so loudly when the war intervened in their country of choice of residence last year).
I think it's almost a certainty we'll see the same thing happen in a number of cases among any pilots who are accepted into Australia to fill jobs that the airlines say can't be filled by Australians.
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Exactly, Andu. And this will continue because Australia is full of suckers who cannot see what is happening because they have little idea how things work in the rest of the world.
In a few years these threads will be about how the airlines are hiring third world pilots who don't seem to hang around very long.
Eventually it'll be a sticky about how one of them drove a jet into the hills outside Cairns and the shortcuts which had taken place with his training.
Pay for pilots in Australia will not go up fellas.
In a few years these threads will be about how the airlines are hiring third world pilots who don't seem to hang around very long.
Eventually it'll be a sticky about how one of them drove a jet into the hills outside Cairns and the shortcuts which had taken place with his training.
Pay for pilots in Australia will not go up fellas.
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Relax Henny Penny.
There are still plenty of "Suckers" right here that dont really give a toss about how it works elsewhere.
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The present shortage is a world wide one and packages are starting to reflect this. Some attractive deals on offer in Asia and the Middle East at the moment with terms getting better and requirements going down. China Airlines and EVA Air only want turbo prop time.
Australia is a attractive destination for white South Africans worried about their childrens future and keen to secure a passport. But most of those I have come across are good operators and will fit in well, no worries there.
Indian airline Kingfisher are hunting for drivers in South America at the moment, a serious operator with A380s on order.
Brindabella of Canberra have an advert in this weeks Flight International for J41 pilots, particularly check and training.
An advert in Fridays Australian wanted non current instructors "we will get you current again". I've never seen this before.
Airlines in Australia have to wake up to the fact that they can no longer just shake the tree and pilots fall out. The regular visits/phone calls/resumes which may have been a nuisance in the past are now far less frequent and starting to be welcomed as crewing levels are streatched to the limit.
Salaries have got to rise to reflect this and whilst they don't have to equal what's on offer overseas they must still compete, the advantages of living at home are worth so much depending on your situation after that money talks.
Virgin Blue pilots are quietly sliding off to Emirates and will continue to do so until management offer a "earn not too far behind, fly only XX hours per month and get to live at home" contract.
QANTAS is still many pilots dream job and they will withstand the shortage best. Pay may go up a bit, requirements down a bit and they may need a big cadet program, but they won't be parking aircraft just yet.
Regional/freight turbo prop operators are hurting badly. They have been used to paying poorly and having managable turnover. Their pay scales aren't attractive to overseas applicants facing an expensive move/set up in Australia and a suitable applicant for them is already looking at a jet job in his own country.
A commercial pilots licence is very expensive to obtain and hangs by the thin thread of you last medical and base check through out your career. Yes the rewards should be more than those of a forklift driver.
Australia is a attractive destination for white South Africans worried about their childrens future and keen to secure a passport. But most of those I have come across are good operators and will fit in well, no worries there.
Indian airline Kingfisher are hunting for drivers in South America at the moment, a serious operator with A380s on order.
Brindabella of Canberra have an advert in this weeks Flight International for J41 pilots, particularly check and training.
An advert in Fridays Australian wanted non current instructors "we will get you current again". I've never seen this before.
Airlines in Australia have to wake up to the fact that they can no longer just shake the tree and pilots fall out. The regular visits/phone calls/resumes which may have been a nuisance in the past are now far less frequent and starting to be welcomed as crewing levels are streatched to the limit.
Salaries have got to rise to reflect this and whilst they don't have to equal what's on offer overseas they must still compete, the advantages of living at home are worth so much depending on your situation after that money talks.
Virgin Blue pilots are quietly sliding off to Emirates and will continue to do so until management offer a "earn not too far behind, fly only XX hours per month and get to live at home" contract.
QANTAS is still many pilots dream job and they will withstand the shortage best. Pay may go up a bit, requirements down a bit and they may need a big cadet program, but they won't be parking aircraft just yet.
Regional/freight turbo prop operators are hurting badly. They have been used to paying poorly and having managable turnover. Their pay scales aren't attractive to overseas applicants facing an expensive move/set up in Australia and a suitable applicant for them is already looking at a jet job in his own country.
A commercial pilots licence is very expensive to obtain and hangs by the thin thread of you last medical and base check through out your career. Yes the rewards should be more than those of a forklift driver.
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Metro, they might be lowering minimum requirements but so far no real improvements to T&C's being offered. Even contract rates aren't yet rising to make that type of life style worth living. Most companies are struggling for crew but are still chipping away at existing T&C's which are mostly B scale anyway. Talk about a widening gulf between management expectations and employment reality!
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They've had it too good for too long.
The losers in this will be the travelling public. Skilled professionals are leaving our shores as they can no longer justify being paid what they are.
Experience levels are dropping at a rapid rate.
The losers in this will be the travelling public. Skilled professionals are leaving our shores as they can no longer justify being paid what they are.
Experience levels are dropping at a rapid rate.
A move overseas is not for everyone, but there are good opportunities available.
The sandpit is not going to suit families too well and for an F/O with teenage children will be a bit tight financially. But enough Virgin Blue pilots are leaving to be of concern to management. The allure of a B777 and full service airline benefits is still pretty strong. Expect EK minimums to come down soon, 2000 hrs jet is still pretty steep, remember the days when you needed a space shuttle endorsement for CX ?
Lowering experience requirements and not being as fussy will work for a while, but ultimately conditions will have to improve. Even management understand, no pilot = aircraft parked = no income.
The situation of a pilot shortage is something companies in Australia have never had to deal with before and can't cope.
Expect to see some attractive offers available in the next year or two. Middle eastern airlines flying to Australia may start offering Australian bases just like CX do.
The sandpit is not going to suit families too well and for an F/O with teenage children will be a bit tight financially. But enough Virgin Blue pilots are leaving to be of concern to management. The allure of a B777 and full service airline benefits is still pretty strong. Expect EK minimums to come down soon, 2000 hrs jet is still pretty steep, remember the days when you needed a space shuttle endorsement for CX ?
Lowering experience requirements and not being as fussy will work for a while, but ultimately conditions will have to improve. Even management understand, no pilot = aircraft parked = no income.
The situation of a pilot shortage is something companies in Australia have never had to deal with before and can't cope.
Expect to see some attractive offers available in the next year or two. Middle eastern airlines flying to Australia may start offering Australian bases just like CX do.
If that refers to the strike, the airlines got jet drivers from overseas and others from GA. GA got some pilots from the airlines and others moved up the ladder. Overseas airlines got Australian airline pilots. Musical chairs really.
Wasn't much of a shortage during the 1990s was there ? Despite having ATPL 4000+ hrs multi and turbine time, when I replied to a PEL AIR advert for Metro pilots I didn't even get an interview. Their rejection letter stated they wanted ENDORSED pilots (their capitals). Now they'll take far less.
In those days Impulse wanted you to pay for your own B1900 endorsement and work for under award IF they decided to take you on.
Getting into Kendell, Hazelton or Flight West was a dream.
Weren't too many job adverts, companies just didn't need to advertise. Well stocked hold files in every offfice. Now we have roadshows and adverts for turboprop pilots in Flight International.
Wasn't much of a shortage during the 1990s was there ? Despite having ATPL 4000+ hrs multi and turbine time, when I replied to a PEL AIR advert for Metro pilots I didn't even get an interview. Their rejection letter stated they wanted ENDORSED pilots (their capitals). Now they'll take far less.
In those days Impulse wanted you to pay for your own B1900 endorsement and work for under award IF they decided to take you on.
Getting into Kendell, Hazelton or Flight West was a dream.
Weren't too many job adverts, companies just didn't need to advertise. Well stocked hold files in every offfice. Now we have roadshows and adverts for turboprop pilots in Flight International.
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CX have had crews based in Oz for a long time. EK have stated that they will only have a Dubai base. If you talk to anyone in EK they all hope that will change but there is a lot of resistance at the very top to allowing it. As with all things if you want the job then you go where the airline bases you.
In my experience whatever numbers are touted by those in the know about guys leaving VB or Jetstar to go somewhere else, divide it by 10 to get an accurate figure.
In my experience whatever numbers are touted by those in the know about guys leaving VB or Jetstar to go somewhere else, divide it by 10 to get an accurate figure.
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I would expect any base for Emirates in the Southern Hemisphere to be in NZ, as a lot of their flights terminate there!