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Nobody claims that he was not competent. Nobody claims that he did substandard work. He fraudulently claimed he had additional qualifications. Staples in wires? how is it related?
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I suspect there are plenty engineers out there in the industry with documentation gained and exams passed by nefarious means including cheating, lying, misrepresenting, copying, using stolen question banks etc.
AND there may well have been plenty of fraudulent SOE work not done in the 80's and 90's before structured practical training was introduced, with many of your peers possibly involved.
Plenty of you now still cover up for the incompetent and the dangerous regardless of the status of qualifications held because they are 'mates'.
Who checks your competence once you are initially licensed? No one, unlike Pilots who have to prove competence on an ongoing basis.
So get off your smug, fat a
e, stop trying to blame others and self regulate yourselves to get ALL the incompetents, the cheaters and the frauds out of the industry.
THAT is what a professional body should do, say like the AMA do with Doctors or the Law Society with Lawyers (well, on reflection, maybe not!)
P2G
AND there may well have been plenty of fraudulent SOE work not done in the 80's and 90's before structured practical training was introduced, with many of your peers possibly involved.
Plenty of you now still cover up for the incompetent and the dangerous regardless of the status of qualifications held because they are 'mates'.
Who checks your competence once you are initially licensed? No one, unlike Pilots who have to prove competence on an ongoing basis.
So get off your smug, fat a
e, stop trying to blame others and self regulate yourselves to get ALL the incompetents, the cheaters and the frauds out of the industry.THAT is what a professional body should do, say like the AMA do with Doctors or the Law Society with Lawyers (well, on reflection, maybe not!)
P2G
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Poacher, are you suggesting that engineers should be required to do recurrent traininng similar to what pilots do?
No one would question this idea except QF management. For years the recurrent training notion has been rejected by management as being not required or too expensive, with the exception of the farcicle CTS which was made mandatory by EASA. Even then they struggled to keep everyone up to date on that.
You are correct in saying that the bad apples are hidden by crews themselves as everyone works around them. Perhaps a decent performance review system could expose those not up to scratch but that requires the union and company being able to agree on something and I dont see that happening for a long time.
No one would question this idea except QF management. For years the recurrent training notion has been rejected by management as being not required or too expensive, with the exception of the farcicle CTS which was made mandatory by EASA. Even then they struggled to keep everyone up to date on that.
You are correct in saying that the bad apples are hidden by crews themselves as everyone works around them. Perhaps a decent performance review system could expose those not up to scratch but that requires the union and company being able to agree on something and I dont see that happening for a long time.
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Quote; "Who checks your competence once you are initially licensed? No one, unlike Pilots who have to prove competence on an ongoing basis."
In the company I work for (EASA regulated) I have to;
1. Go in the sim every 18months to maintain EGR approval.
2. Carry out regular recurrent training relating to company technical instructions, TFU's, Mods, SILs and such like. I then I have to complete an online exam and maintain a certain score which is checked every 4 months.
3. Go on Human Factors course every 24mths.
4. Prove certification of each type that I am Licensed on or loose the approval.
5. Aircraft documentation that I have completed is monitored and if incorrect get a lovely trip to the QA department to correct it and get a "friendly chat".
6. Any aircraft that I am working on is liable to a QA inspection to check it, and me and the work I am carrying out.
If you really think we are not monitored P2G you are grossly mistaken.
Now I'm off to sit on smug, fat arse as you so put it .
In the company I work for (EASA regulated) I have to;
1. Go in the sim every 18months to maintain EGR approval.
2. Carry out regular recurrent training relating to company technical instructions, TFU's, Mods, SILs and such like. I then I have to complete an online exam and maintain a certain score which is checked every 4 months.
3. Go on Human Factors course every 24mths.
4. Prove certification of each type that I am Licensed on or loose the approval.
5. Aircraft documentation that I have completed is monitored and if incorrect get a lovely trip to the QA department to correct it and get a "friendly chat".
6. Any aircraft that I am working on is liable to a QA inspection to check it, and me and the work I am carrying out.
If you really think we are not monitored P2G you are grossly mistaken.
Now I'm off to sit on smug, fat arse as you so put it .
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Tom sawyer not all in here feel that engineers are not checked as much as the guys/gals up at the pointy end. I was lucky enough to do a few years in the hands on dep of planes being an ex motor mech & loved every minute of it.Engine O/hauls, airframes etc all under the watchfull eye of a certain Alan Pl......., those who are in the know will know whom i'm talking about here. Had I not bought into a syndicate share for a C150 whilst on the tools & learnt to fly (that's where the rot set in & I was 4ever broke !) I would have gained my 'fix em' licenses & been part of the fantastic dedicated team that keep me coming home of a night time, the engineers for which I love...............term of endearment you understand !
Sure there's a few no doubt that are loose within the industry as there would be "parker pen" pilots..........they slipped thru the net 'caseu the 'net' has way too big a holes in it !.......keep the 'nuts' tight boys/girls we appreciate it
Capt Wally :-)
Sure there's a few no doubt that are loose within the industry as there would be "parker pen" pilots..........they slipped thru the net 'caseu the 'net' has way too big a holes in it !.......keep the 'nuts' tight boys/girls we appreciate it
Capt Wally :-)
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It would appear that some of the engineers here need to refresh their knowledge of the Civil Aviation Regulations before they shoot off about their employer.
CASA is quite specific in its view of who is responsible to ensure that maintenance is performed by a person that is approved to carry out the maintenance.
It may for some here to actually read CASA Schedule 6 paragraph 3.3(a).
What is the responsibility of a person who co-ordinates maintenance?
3.3 A person who co-ordinates the carrying out of maintenance within a category of maintenance must ensure:
(a) that each stage of maintenance is performed by a person who is permitted by regulation 42ZC to carry out the maintenance; and .......
http://www.casa.gov.au/download/act_regs/1988.pdf (see file page 488 of 616)
MP.
CASA is quite specific in its view of who is responsible to ensure that maintenance is performed by a person that is approved to carry out the maintenance.
It may for some here to actually read CASA Schedule 6 paragraph 3.3(a).
What is the responsibility of a person who co-ordinates maintenance?
3.3 A person who co-ordinates the carrying out of maintenance within a category of maintenance must ensure:
(a) that each stage of maintenance is performed by a person who is permitted by regulation 42ZC to carry out the maintenance; and .......
http://www.casa.gov.au/download/act_regs/1988.pdf (see file page 488 of 616)
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we work under the qantas system of maintenance
which is approved by casa.
which is approved by casa.
A CASA approved System of Maintenance is applicable to an aircraft, not an organisation.
It deals with "what" maintenance must be performed on the aircraft that it is applicable to, and "when" the maintenance must be performed.
Engineers in world class maintenance providers would be well aware of this......
Remedial reading can be found here: http://www.casa.gov.au/download/CAAP...orth/42M_1.pdf
Come on now, do keep up, some of you are slipping down the ladder again........
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Managers Perspective:
After reading the majority of what i can only assume are your best efforts to "wind up" the punters here on PPrune, I have come to the conclusion that you obviously have not now (nor ever) the slightest idea what you are talking about. If your benal drivel is loosely based on your idea of amusement, you had better brush up on your casting tecnique and break out the top shelf lures.
MP, you have been weighed, measured and found wanting.
Bye bye.
After reading the majority of what i can only assume are your best efforts to "wind up" the punters here on PPrune, I have come to the conclusion that you obviously have not now (nor ever) the slightest idea what you are talking about. If your benal drivel is loosely based on your idea of amusement, you had better brush up on your casting tecnique and break out the top shelf lures.
MP, you have been weighed, measured and found wanting.
Bye bye.
So what has just happened?
Why has their been a directive issued in the last 24 hrs that DMMs physically check all licenses held? The directive states that this must be finalised by 21/09/07.
I thought that DC and MH (?) had issued public statements saying all is rosy now that "the imposter" has been uncovered?
I thought that DC and MH (?) had issued public statements saying all is rosy now that "the imposter" has been uncovered?
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mp when you sign an aircraft you sign as a member of qantas engineering not as a casa licenced lame, that is why we use the fantastic eq system.
the casa regs are for lames who operate as maintenance organisations the qantas regs are for lames who operate under the qantas system of maintenance.
the casa regs are for lames who operate as maintenance organisations the qantas regs are for lames who operate under the qantas system of maintenance.
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I would suggest both of you brush up on your spelling and grammar before you post as a LAME.
and what does the qantas policey manual say
If your benal drivel is loosely based on your idea of amusement, you had better brush up on your casting tecnique and break out the top shelf lures.