LAME Imposter.

[Managers Perspective]

Can you imagine the uproar if this had happened in Singapore.

Can't help but think about those glass houses again.

MP.

[lowerlobe]

Thats right MP this is a shock but I'd be carefull talking about glass houses if I were you.

How many management and board members are serving time in jail for an illegal act.

Another point to consider is that it was management that did not pick up anything was wrong.

[stubby jumbo]

Punt DC .....now!!!

First it was the Today Tonight debacle where DC look like a total GOOSE trying to defend the indefensible .

Now this.

If I was a LAME working for the Rat I would be as it tarnishes everyone's reputations

DC.....Time to pack up your Cuisenaire blocks and Protractor and get a job with Air Zimbabwe......who knows- the President may promote you to his Cabinet with skills like yours???

[chemical alli]

never let the truth get in the way of a good story,daily tele quotes he was going to have a pay jump of 30 g from 60 g to 90 g .last i heard ame didnt get 60 g and first licence wasnt a 30 g increase

[satos]

I wonder what license number he used to certify work documents as most places I have worked for have a record of who is licensed and who is not.Quality at QF must take a long hard look at themselves.

[Twitter n Bisted]

I wonder what license number he used to certify work documents as most places I have worked for have a record of who is licensed and who is not

The character in question had his own license number. You receive your ARN upon your first application to CASA. License numbers now are an "L" in front of your ARN and Bob is you uncle.
Low and belhold you are now a Licensed aircraft engineer.Rumour has it he had been pulling the wool over everyone. He even managed to get a type course without his basics. Which points to management failings again.

I wish I had thought of it instead of doing all those exams.

[HotDog]

Quite frankly, it is a "glass house" situation when you are bitching about out sourced maintenance. The only saving grace is that he apparently knew what he was doing, albeit not licensed.

[chockchucker]

I don't agree hotdog.

It is the responsibilty of the Qantas Quality Assurance deparment and Management of Qantas engineering to control who is allowed to certify for maintenance carried out on their aircraft. They alone are responsible for verifying the credentials of the people that they employ for such purposes.


Quite simply, they dropped the ball whilst trying to cut corners and save a few bucks someplace else.

[Managers Perspective]

I wonder if he did illegally certify for maintenance on Singapore registered aircraft.

If so I doubt their union will go on national television to discredit QANTAS, I think they have higher standards than that.

MP.

[munchausen by proxy]

Can someone shed any light on whether this guy had kahunas big enough to join the ALAEA?

I just figure that while there's talk about internal verification processes failing, it might be worth asking the question.

[Hardworker]

Bottom Line

so the bottom line is who is going to be accountable?
Management obviously but which manager is going to accept responsibility?
Cant see anyone owning up that the "system" that management have imposed doesnt work....funny we use to have a training co-ordinator that looked after all this, LAME type course, training, ensuring peoples qualifications were valid etc......not anymore cost cutting time...so they axed the position....
Time for management to accept that decision and be also axed!

[RedTBar]

Thats right MP don't accept any blame that management might have because it's always the employees fault when something is wrong.

[RedTBar]

From Wed Australian

QANTAS has moved to plug loopholes that allowed an aircraft maintenance engineer to work for about a year using forged qualifications.
The engineer has left the airline and is now the subject of an Australian Federal Police investigation.
He was employed by the airline as a fourth-year apprentice in 2002 as part of an intake of ex-Ansett employees following that carrier's crash. He had worked for Ansett regional subsidiary Kendell Airlines.
The man completed his apprenticeship to become an aircraft maintenance engineer, but had not passed the tests required to go to the next grade and become a licensed engineer qualified to check and certify work done on aircraft.
It is understood the issue surfaced during a routine licence check for a pay rise.

QF will be prevent this from happening again by not giving LAMES a pay rise.They have given up on the normal doom and gloom excuse for wage restraint and will now use this.I also like the bit of throwing in the Ex Ansett in a heart beat."Yeah we got him from another airline so it's not completely our fault".'

[chemical alli]

mp ill bite

so mp, first find a union in singapore then get them on national tv ,exactly what union covers singaporean workers and do they have free speach in the press? i doubt it

60 lashs of the ratahn for you

[company_spy]

Over the years there have been plenty of barriers in place to prevent this type of occurrance happening. In the past there was a Licensing Records clerk who looked after it, then the training school took over not to mention that everything went through the pay office or the manpower planner and later on the training co-ordinator. Now obvously to save money the responsibility has fallen to the lame themself to input data into Eq ( a bit like putting a fox incharge of a hen house ) and get the manager to verify its validity. The company instigated these changes so must bear the brunt of any fallout that occurrs. The company has said that they have verified everyone's credentials now, one must ask how they have done this in such a short period of time, hopefully they haven't relied on Eq for this task.

[domo]

hopefully they haven't relied on Eq for this task.

I got a company email last week that showed me all my qualifications
and yes it was straight off eq

[B A Lert]

Just goes to prove what so many of us already know: self-regulation is a failure: Never has worked sucessfully, does not work successfully and never will work successfully.

It doesn't matter what the spin-doctors say, Qantas Management is responsible for this so-called loop-hole. Cox says it's now been closed but in my view it's not closed until Cox himself, and anyone else responsible for the loop-hole, is out the door with the impostor. The law of libel prevents further discussion about impostors.

[Managers Perspective]

In between all the banter, I think the real issue here is the industry protecting itself from fraudulent documentation.
It has been challenged and to a degree addressed in the aircraft parts supply chains, but where is the technology for licencing and certification?
I know when Ansett went bust and the administrators cleaned out the Ansett Training Centre at the Astrojet Centre hundreds and hundreds of blank training certificates were dumped.
Many of the blanks were bundled up by the people working there, but where are those blank certificates now?
And would you know if you were presented an original?
MP.

[Bumpfoh]

Spin, Spin, Spin

So now MH trots out an "information letter" to the troops which reads like it is more intended as a press release.

"The facts" as MH puts them are a little hard to fathom. One states that he only "certified" for work done on B744 aircraft and not any new generation a/c.
Can you please explain the difference to me MH, or for that matter the lesser, perceived or otherwise, importance of the 744 over new gen a/c?

The FACT remains that these aircraft that this individual "certified for" are indeed NOT legally certified for and no amount of spin will fix that.

[Sunfish]

I don't give a flying **** if he certified for a B747, the Space Shuttle or a C152!

I have personally experienced the consequences of an engineering screwup and I have no wish to ever again!