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Old 31st Jul 2007, 10:33
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TG - CH - so the Jet Connect and Air NZ 737's from RO will be selling their seats at $1 -v- full price Kiwijet from TG - know which one I'd buy a seat on.

TG -CH won't work.
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Old 31st Jul 2007, 15:38
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Origin Pacific tried TG-CH direct with a J41 and in the very short time they were there, managed an average load of 18 pax. Not bad, but not enough for a 45 seat jet!
mate you've been very poorly informed. it was a loser from day one.

What I want to know is does Mr R.I have anything to do with KiwiJet???
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Old 31st Jul 2007, 22:48
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No NZ Airports know about KiwiJet!

Proposed new budget airline Kiwijet says it's on track to set up its low cost domestic service in New Zealand but local airports say they know little of its plans.



Kiwijet founder American Patrick Weil said the airline had financing to operate seven jets on regional routes between nine cities.
The jets would begin operating here late next year and be based at Christchurch International Airport.
But the airport's chief executive Rene Baks said today there had been no dialogue between Kiwijet and airport management.

"We haven't had any discussions at this stage with any other operator. We would be pleased to see another domestic operator. . ." he said.
Mr Baks said his knowledge of the Kiwijet proposal came from media reports about it a few months ago.

Kiwijet said in a statement last week it would fly to and from Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin, Hamilton, Invercargill, Palmerston North, Tauranga and Nelson.

An Auckland Airport spokeswoman said today management had expected to be approached by Kiwijet, but that was yet to happen.
Kiwijet said it had tried to acquire Qantas' Jetconnect operation in New Zealand but that proposal was turned down last month.
The situation had forced changes in the airline's proposal, but it was still going ahead.

The company would use 50-seater Embraer jets and had already pencilled in flight schedules at Auckland and Christchurch that would coincide with international flights from other airlines.

The jets would provide a faster and more comfortable option over the "existing slow, vibrating, noisy and turbulent propeller airplanes of the national carrier".

Passengers would get to sample local beer and wine.

"Unlike the competition, our guests will never have to open their wallets while onboard," the company said.

Passengers would be charged a flat rate and flights between Auckland and Christchurch would be as cheap as $59 on a first-in first-served basis.
Kiwijet said company representatives would be in New Zealand later this year to give public presentations on the proposal.
The company has registered a website in New Zealand and said it would go live from November this year.
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Old 31st Jul 2007, 23:43
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The jets would provide a faster and more comfortable option over the "existing slow, vibrating, noisy and turbulent propeller airplanes of the national carrier".
Talk about blowing out other peoples candles to make his shine brighter. Fact remains TP's are far more economical than the jet. When an ATR carrying 68 pax burns around a tonne CHC-ROT, CHC-HLZ and vice versa, albeit over 1.5 hours, a Jet isn't going to be more economical no matter what the bleeding winds are. Think green man
Good luck with all those eggs in one basket thou' (CHC base that is) Like thats not going to roll into a massive ball of $h!t come the first frost/fog/front!
On the bright side I can't see him having a problem recruiting drivers, however I wonder what the T&C's plus job security will be like.
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Good luck with all those eggs in one basket thou' (CHC base that is) Like thats not going to roll into a massive ball of $h!t come the first frost/fog/front!
Brilliant!
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what are the chances of getting a Cat 2 procedure/ground equipment into christchurch? there could be a more thought behind the strategy than meets the eye. Although if the CH airport co havent heard from them.. well..

As for job security, well, if Mr. R.I. has any involvement in it then theres your answer.
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Old 1st Aug 2007, 15:46
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CHC is only affected 12 days (on average) a year by fog and only a couple of those days actually have significant delays.
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Thanks for the local knowledge there mate I must check out www.weatherforspottersinanothercounrty.com
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 11:43
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First in is first

Yeah go Pac blue /jetstar or someone with the ability to keep going Dud needs the competition and you have to give Dud Apt CEO full marks for trying to give the monopoly some hurry up and get his first class new airport ready for the others.
There aint no competition down there and there is room for another go back my friends when Ansett Nz had around 86% of the business market
Just has to be marketed to our business fathers properly again and we know who that fella is
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John....was that even English?? Seriously dude, wtf?
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Grrr Stretched ERJ145....?!?!?!?

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Christchurch is to be the base for New Zealand's newest airline.
Kiwijet plans to base their seven aircraft there and fly to nine destinations from November next year.
Company chief executive Patrick Weil says they are considering a fleet of Embraer ER-J 145 jets - Brazilian made regional jets with capacity for up to 108 passengers.
Weil says the company still has a long way to go in terms of negotiations with financial partners but is confident Kiwijet will get off the ground.
........Unquote
Crikey, that's gonna be a tight fit......!!!!!!!
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 15:34
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I may living in another country but im a Kiwi through and through from Dunedin.

There was something in the ODT (digital edition) a while ago when all the fog closed Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin on Weather effecting air travel and NZ. Interesting read, gave facts and figures about how often each airport is closed on average from fog and how many millions of dollars it costs to have weather effect Air NZ's operations. So if you were implying i pulled that from my ass you were wrong.

John, i kind of understand what you are saying compared to other airports in NZ Dunedin has a great setup even if it is only with NZ and SJ. Hopefully we will see someone else setup soon. QF might even do alright out of Dunedin??
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 18:56
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Use ERJ145's in a low cost airline.. great way to lose money.

BA Connect in the UK were loosing £45mil a year with a fleet of 145's in addition to AvroRJ's and some old Dash8's.

There's lots of 145's on the market and probably quite cheap, but still the wrong aircraft.

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Old 3rd Aug 2007, 07:12
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I would have thought the E190 or E170 would make more sense?
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Old 3rd Aug 2007, 08:18
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Wonder if Kiwi Jet has any link to Branson?

The big jungle jets would be interesting against the 733? Virgin/Pac Blu has just bought a bunch.

Just a thought
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Old 3rd Aug 2007, 09:04
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Nah the Saab2000 is the aircraft to go for. Less limiting than the embraer, more fuel efficient and almost as fast.
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Old 3rd Aug 2007, 09:08
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Wasn't Branson interested in using E170/190 to take over Qantas's routes here in NZ? I to think they would be better here
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Old 4th Aug 2007, 09:31
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$85m in 45 days!?!

Kiwijet aims for $85.6m in 45 days
5:00AM Saturday August 04, 2007

Proposed new airline Kiwijet says it expects to raise the US$65 million ($85.6 million) needed to launch a low-cost domestic service in about 45 days.

However, United States Kiwijet founder Patrick Weil said many details were yet to be finalised ahead of its planned launch late next year.

"It is premature for us to have discussions with Government and airport authorities until we have completed the capitalisation process and key staff placements within the company," Weil said in a statement.

"At the same time, we are keeping a keen eye on the rapidly changing economic landscape and currency markets as it relates to the US dollar and other currencies in the region. We feel that these market fluctuations should not affect or compromise our intended target funding of US$65 million."

The airline planned to operate seven Embraer jets on regional routes between nine cities, out of a base at Christchurch Airport.
Kiwijet planned to serve centres that had demonstrated strong sector growth and would support the company's business model.

The company decided not to connect to Rotorua and Queenstown to avoid competing with Qantas Jetconnect or Jetstar. A planned service between Christchurch and Auckland was for repositioning aircraft, meaning a limited number of seats would be available on the route.

Kiwijet is beginning to interview candidates for management jobs.
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Old 4th Aug 2007, 09:51
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Dont know about QF in Dud their name is mud in ZQN XXld flts on not bad days while the competition keeps coming and going at of course near enough to the same schd times diverts to IVC when the chkd in pax watch Qf approach and disapear only to see NZ arrive
Very pissed of people and staff.
One wonders how long they will be around in a domestic sence
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Old 4th Aug 2007, 16:13
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This whole Kiwijet thing actually seems to be going somewhere unlike some of the other startups!

Off the topic but have any of you blokes read "Dog Fight" By Ewan Wilson about Kiwi Air's collapse. Really shows how aggressive Air NZ was to protect themselves in the 90's.
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