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I didn't know that, thanks.
As a matter of interest, when the aircraft is built is there any similar procedure WRT engines that may have been manufactured and fitted concurrently, or is it only for subsequent maintenance?
I didn't know that, thanks.
As a matter of interest, when the aircraft is built is there any similar procedure WRT engines that may have been manufactured and fitted concurrently, or is it only for subsequent maintenance?
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...QUOTE....before they were in position, whereas we could have landed fairly soon after the event.
Capt C... mate....wasnt trying to split hairs or mix words...I,m in agreement with you....but as the captain,which I presume you are....you call the shots....did someone make you wait for the euipment to be in place?? or did you do it out of professional courtesy???...I,m sure in a dire straights emergency you would have landed regardless of their positions???........seems a little strange(maybe) I,m reading it wrong)...but for emergency euipment to be in place taking 30 mins seems like a "dads army "job
Capt C... mate....wasnt trying to split hairs or mix words...I,m in agreement with you....but as the captain,which I presume you are....you call the shots....did someone make you wait for the euipment to be in place?? or did you do it out of professional courtesy???...I,m sure in a dire straights emergency you would have landed regardless of their positions???........seems a little strange(maybe) I,m reading it wrong)...but for emergency euipment to be in place taking 30 mins seems like a "dads army "job
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Pakeha quote: "seems a little strange(maybe) I,m reading it wrong)...but for emergency euipment to be in place taking 30 mins seems like a "dads army "job"
This pretty normal as the emergency services in Newman are mostly volunteers. So by the time you mobilize to site can take 30 mins.
Most towns in WA don't have full time emergency services and all volunteer based.
This pretty normal as the emergency services in Newman are mostly volunteers. So by the time you mobilize to site can take 30 mins.
Most towns in WA don't have full time emergency services and all volunteer based.
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The way certain individuals landed that baby ( i have no idea who the Captain on the day was ) I would certainly advise certain pilots AGAINST landing overweight. 
Basil, cant remeber exactly But I would think there would be a definite increase in Vref, NWN is'nt exactly a long runway either.
No one could ever give me a straight answer in NJS wether a straight cut justified an overweight landing, you know the story, thats why we pay you the big bucks blah blah blah
Basil, cant remeber exactly But I would think there would be a definite increase in Vref, NWN is'nt exactly a long runway either.
No one could ever give me a straight answer in NJS wether a straight cut justified an overweight landing, you know the story, thats why we pay you the big bucks blah blah blah
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WA-CEET....no disrespect meant at all....NOT familiar with the airport.....nice to know there are at least volunteers availible for such events......have now figured out the post...thanks..PB
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It will be an interesting logistics exercise to get the aircraft airworthy again.
Newman is 1100 km by road from Perth. The time required to truck a replacement engine and find a suitable crane to do the job (the hire rates just doubled.....) not to mention engineers.
The 146 for all it's faults wpuld have been ferried out at first light the next morning and a servicable engine fitted within 3 hours of arrival in Perth.
Newman is 1100 km by road from Perth. The time required to truck a replacement engine and find a suitable crane to do the job (the hire rates just doubled.....) not to mention engineers.
The 146 for all it's faults wpuld have been ferried out at first light the next morning and a servicable engine fitted within 3 hours of arrival in Perth.
replacement engine arrived today. engine stands and gear to arrive tomorrow ex ADL on a 146 freighter. Engine change slated for thursday, testing friday and a/c flown back to PER on the weekend.
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No one made me wait but having called them out one would look silly landing before they got there unless there was some urgency. There was no urgency to land.
There was no emergency response team based at the airfield back then ('95 or '96, don’t know about now), so, one assumes the town firies and ambos had to be called in.
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Flap 25.
Vref ~ 141 KIAS at MLW (149 KIAS Vref @ MBR, both approximate as info from not for operational use document), plus 5 KIAS for Vapp usually. Wind additives are:
If the failed engine didn’t take any systems out, hydraulic fluid leak for example, there would be no degradation of any system save the failed engine and its reverser. Hydraulic pump/transfer pump redundancy would maintain hydraulic pressure as long as fluid wasn’t lost.
Don’t know.
Note: I know no more of this incident save what is on this thread.
No one made me wait but having called them out one would look silly landing before they got there unless there was some urgency. There was no urgency to land.
There was no emergency response team based at the airfield back then ('95 or '96, don’t know about now), so, one assumes the town firies and ambos had to be called in.
Basil
1. What is the engine-inop landing flap setting for the 717?
2. What would be the ref speed + wind additives for the above, at near max landing weight?
- Half the steady state wind > 20 Kts or,
- All of the gust component
- Max additive 20 KIAS
- When both steady state wind additive and gust additive are considered, only the greater of the two is added.
3. Any systems degraded with an engine out? (flight controls, anti-skid etc) This may be an issue on a 30m wide, 2000m runway, elev 1700'.
4. Was the runway wet? Windy?
Note: I know no more of this incident save what is on this thread.
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Capt Claret, having had an engine "let-go", part of the procedure is to fire a bottle into the affected engine (after cross-checking instruments we knew the engine was damaged let alone the 'bang'). The firing of a bottle ensures any damage to fuel lines etc decreases the chance of further problems that may develop!
Any pan call at a controlled airport usually constitutes local services on standby( ready alert). Well done to the crew, PM me if you like.
Any pan call at a controlled airport usually constitutes local services on standby( ready alert). Well done to the crew, PM me if you like.
.........know what I mean
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Yeah I'm confused now as well...
How did you work that one out? All firing a bottle will do is put an existing fire out. Ten seconds after you have fired it, the extingluishant is gone and/or useless (which is why you generally have two of them).
Also, AFAIK no transport-category, twin-engined aircraft is "certified" to fly around on one donk... it has to meet a certification requirement that it can do so in an emergency, which is what an engine failure is in a twin. That's why the procedure for dealing with an engine failure is an emergency procedure, not an abnormal procedure. Anyone who does not make full use of whatever emergency services are on offer when experiencing and emergency, needs their head read.
Or maybe the old "real men don't need the emergency services" thought process is making a comeback...
The firing of a bottle ensures any damage to fuel lines etc decreases the chance of further problems that may develop!
Also, AFAIK no transport-category, twin-engined aircraft is "certified" to fly around on one donk... it has to meet a certification requirement that it can do so in an emergency, which is what an engine failure is in a twin. That's why the procedure for dealing with an engine failure is an emergency procedure, not an abnormal procedure. Anyone who does not make full use of whatever emergency services are on offer when experiencing and emergency, needs their head read.
Or maybe the old "real men don't need the emergency services" thought process is making a comeback...
Twaddle. It may be an emergency if the other one then fails, but if one is just shutdown or otherwise stops, that doesn't necessarily mean the subsequent landing will be any less-safe than normal, and therefore may not require full emergency services.
Which section of the AFM or MOM is OEI in a twin discussed?
Which checklist do you use when operating OEI in a twin?
Not bloody abnormal or normal that is for sure and certain.
Which checklist do you use when operating OEI in a twin?
Not bloody abnormal or normal that is for sure and certain.
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The QRH doesn't say "land as soon as possible" for an in-flight shutdown. If landing overweight is so high on the agenda, what's going to happen on an ETOPS run with an engine failure over the ocean? Ditch??
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A classic example of you get what you pay for
You choose to fly with these clowns don't expect champagne on arrival
My only concern is for the cabin cleaners imagine all the seat cover changes
but then again why change them, the pax that pornstar fly wouldn't even notice the smell or the stains be just like home oh my
You choose to fly with these clowns don't expect champagne on arrival
My only concern is for the cabin cleaners imagine all the seat cover changes
but then again why change them, the pax that pornstar fly wouldn't even notice the smell or the stains be just like home oh my
Fixit,
The captain of this flight has forgotten more about aviation that you'll ever know, you moron.
You choose to fly with these clowns don't expect champagne on arrival