J* all isn't as it seems
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J* all isn't as it seems
Rumour has it J* international flights ex a northern port are catered FOC to passengers.
Oh and further to that the Singapore Dariwn Cairns flight is likely to return to mainline in the near term as J* customer service leaves many soo disgruntled and is apparently not doing too well..
And I so advise..
Seems the model is not holding up in the real world
Oh and further to that the Singapore Dariwn Cairns flight is likely to return to mainline in the near term as J* customer service leaves many soo disgruntled and is apparently not doing too well..
And I so advise..
Seems the model is not holding up in the real world
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I tend to have an Optimistic view on the Jet* thing anyway, Regardless of how the public views them or whatever, I believe we as Pilots are in the box seat atm. A massive shortage is looming worldwide and we are in the position to reap the rewards, Low Cost or No low cost, they need drivers so let's just relax. Low Cost carriers, All cost carriers, Ultra Low cost carriers, bring em on! Just tightens the market for pilots anyway and it can only be looking up!
As for Jet* they are OK domestically, however if there are disruptions they never contacted me, unlike Virgin, Virgin $hits over them though from a pax viewpoint, and Internationally well I just would never fly with them, I can get cheaper fares from other full service Airlines anyway.
Edited because I said Box Seat twice which sounded crappy lol
As for Jet* they are OK domestically, however if there are disruptions they never contacted me, unlike Virgin, Virgin $hits over them though from a pax viewpoint, and Internationally well I just would never fly with them, I can get cheaper fares from other full service Airlines anyway.
Edited because I said Box Seat twice which sounded crappy lol
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Would you all agree that the difference between Jokestar and Tiger is that Qantas is trying to drive a wedge between pilots and reduce pay where Tiger is a true LCC..
Maybe... yes, maybe no.
Maybe... yes, maybe no.
correct.... flights to Japan serve food and beverages free to customers who book through the Japanese agent (ie, book from Japan). This was on the press release some months ago.
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J* are value for money, because there's a great chance of being stranded at your destination for longer than you had planned. Heck they did it for Hawaiian tourists, why not else where?
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4PWs - I guess the only thing full of crap is in fact you.
Straight from the website as an example (in SGD$):
SIN - CNS
$566.47
per Passenger
Mon, 18 Jun 07
22:15 JQ 58
RETURN
CNS - SIN
$598.02
per Passenger
Tue, 03 Jul 07
13:00 JQ 57
$566.47
DEPARTURE Total
Adult$399.00Surcharges, Fees and Taxes$167.47Airfare per Adult$566.47Subtotal
1 × Adults$566.47
$598.02
RETURN Total
Adult$399.00Surcharges, Fees and Taxes$199.02Airfare per Adult$598.02Subtotal
1 × Adults$598.02
total $1,164.49
I don't think J* will miss your patrionage.
Straight from the website as an example (in SGD$):
SIN - CNS
$566.47
per Passenger
Mon, 18 Jun 07
22:15 JQ 58
RETURN
CNS - SIN
$598.02
per Passenger
Tue, 03 Jul 07
13:00 JQ 57
$566.47
DEPARTURE Total Adult$399.00Surcharges, Fees and Taxes$167.47Airfare per Adult$566.47Subtotal
1 × Adults$566.47
$598.02
RETURN Total Adult$399.00Surcharges, Fees and Taxes$199.02Airfare per Adult$598.02Subtotal
1 × Adults$598.02
total $1,164.49
I don't think J* will miss your patrionage.
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Even if 4PW's got his figures wrong why is the J* cost you posted more than the full service QF fare let alone the AO ticket?
Even if 4PW's got his figures wrong why is the J* cost you posted more than the full service QF fare let alone the AO ticket?
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Just punched in 3 random dates for CNS - SIN:
Out on the 21st, Back on the 30th:
$1921.99 Return ($2451 SGD)
Out on the 30th, Back on 10th July:
$1871.99 Return ($2388 SGD)
Out on 10th july: back on 20th July:
$1571.99 return ($2006 SGD)
ALL DAY EVERY DAY RIP OFF
Out on the 21st, Back on the 30th:
$1921.99 Return ($2451 SGD)
Out on the 30th, Back on 10th July:
$1871.99 Return ($2388 SGD)
Out on 10th july: back on 20th July:
$1571.99 return ($2006 SGD)
ALL DAY EVERY DAY RIP OFF
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Thought I'd look at QF, CNS - SIN (via BNE) on the same days
Out 21st back 30th
$2183.00 return ($2785 SGD)
Out 30th back 10th july
$1564.00 return ($1995 SGD)
Out 10th July back 20th July
$1556.00 return ($1985 SGD)
So you can travel further on QF for less, now which is the low fares airline??
Out 21st back 30th
$2183.00 return ($2785 SGD)
Out 30th back 10th july
$1564.00 return ($1995 SGD)
Out 10th July back 20th July
$1556.00 return ($1985 SGD)
So you can travel further on QF for less, now which is the low fares airline??
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....or you could go 1/2 way round the world to do the same trip with BA or QF @ $2050 0r $2200 respectively.
So there, you do have a choice.
AoA, the reason VB craps on Jet* is that they are charging pretty close to, if not spot on, QF prices. VB is just AN without the service.
Not defending Jet* per se, but how about you lot compare apples to apples
So there, you do have a choice.
AoA, the reason VB craps on Jet* is that they are charging pretty close to, if not spot on, QF prices. VB is just AN without the service.
Not defending Jet* per se, but how about you lot compare apples to apples
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Lowerlobe -
4PWs example was for SIN - CNS - SIN in Singaporean dollars (SGD).
As such I gave an example back in SGD.
The currency conversion rate is 1SGD = 0.784AUD.
Therefore the flight I quoted is $AUD913.
Which I believe is cheaper than QF and AO.
Hope that clears that up.
4PWs example was for SIN - CNS - SIN in Singaporean dollars (SGD).
As such I gave an example back in SGD.
The currency conversion rate is 1SGD = 0.784AUD.
Therefore the flight I quoted is $AUD913.
Which I believe is cheaper than QF and AO.
Hope that clears that up.
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Actually, no I think you’ve got it wrong.4PW’s quoted the fare on AO at $900 Sing whereas you got it at $1164 Sing ($913 Aust) at your exchange rate of .784/1.00 Aust .This is also only $6.00 cheaper than the QF ticket.
In fact I decided to check myself and choosing the cheapest jet saver fare from Cairns to Singapore the J* ticket with taxes was $1371.99 Aust including taxes.
Using your exchange rate this comes to $1749.98 Sing
This was departing Cairns for Singapore on the 6th and departing Singapore for Cairns on the 10th.
Actually, no I think you’ve got it wrong.4PW’s quoted the fare on AO at $900 Sing whereas you got it at $1164 Sing ($913 Aust) at your exchange rate of .784/1.00 Aust .This is also only $6.00 cheaper than the QF ticket.
In fact I decided to check myself and choosing the cheapest jet saver fare from Cairns to Singapore the J* ticket with taxes was $1371.99 Aust including taxes.
Using your exchange rate this comes to $1749.98 Sing
This was departing Cairns for Singapore on the 6th and departing Singapore for Cairns on the 10th.
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My quote was for SIN - CNS and then CNS - SIN not as per your CNS - SIN - CNS.
Have another look on the days I quoted - this is a direct copy from the web site.
As AO are not flying this route any more the comparison is hardly valid.
However if you were to factor in inflation etc. etc....
I question whether 4PWs example of $900SGD was ever available.
If you wish to fly CNS - BNE - SIN and get a cheaper flight then so be it.
Sometimes time saving comes at a premium.
Have another look on the days I quoted - this is a direct copy from the web site.
As AO are not flying this route any more the comparison is hardly valid.
However if you were to factor in inflation etc. etc....
I question whether 4PWs example of $900SGD was ever available.
If you wish to fly CNS - BNE - SIN and get a cheaper flight then so be it.
Sometimes time saving comes at a premium.
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Even if the DRW/SIN flight was catered FOC management is short sighted if they think it's just about food, or lack of.
Other factors that annoy passengers re JQI DRW/SIN is:
a) Misrepresentation of product - they think QF355 means they are travelling Qantas not on JQ57.
b) No frequent flyer points - "but it's a Qantas flight number".
c) No through checking of baggage to certain airlines outside the One World carriers.
d) They cannot check you in to a connecting QF flight eg QF5 SIN/FRA even if your bags are checked through. The JQ Navitaire system does not interface with the Qantas Departure Control System for the purpose of passport & immigration info. As a result the pax have to queue up for hours in SIN for their onward boarding pass when it used to be so easy to get all the boarding passes at the first departure point when DRW/SIN was operated by Qantas. This applies in reverse so you can imagine how well this goes downafter a long flight from Europe to Singapore.
When management 'brainstorm' these ideas they should ask themselves if they would want to fly Jetstar. We all know the answer to that one, so why on earth to they think it's acceptable to the general public if it's something they wouldn't do themselves???
Other factors that annoy passengers re JQI DRW/SIN is:
a) Misrepresentation of product - they think QF355 means they are travelling Qantas not on JQ57.
b) No frequent flyer points - "but it's a Qantas flight number".
c) No through checking of baggage to certain airlines outside the One World carriers.
d) They cannot check you in to a connecting QF flight eg QF5 SIN/FRA even if your bags are checked through. The JQ Navitaire system does not interface with the Qantas Departure Control System for the purpose of passport & immigration info. As a result the pax have to queue up for hours in SIN for their onward boarding pass when it used to be so easy to get all the boarding passes at the first departure point when DRW/SIN was operated by Qantas. This applies in reverse so you can imagine how well this goes downafter a long flight from Europe to Singapore.
When management 'brainstorm' these ideas they should ask themselves if they would want to fly Jetstar. We all know the answer to that one, so why on earth to they think it's acceptable to the general public if it's something they wouldn't do themselves???
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Don't waste your time Condition Lever..
There seems to be a lot of angry Skygods out there that love to bag JQ all the time.....It's getting really boring..
They have to face the fact that they are yesterdays pilots..
Todays airlines are lean operations acting like a bus/train service more and more each day, and if the Skygods don't get with the program they could be left behind!!!!!
There seems to be a lot of angry Skygods out there that love to bag JQ all the time.....It's getting really boring..
They have to face the fact that they are yesterdays pilots..
Todays airlines are lean operations acting like a bus/train service more and more each day, and if the Skygods don't get with the program they could be left behind!!!!!