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I'm very impressed Kav. Very constructive debate.
So, Just who on this thread is a "skygod"? And what did they say that was inflammatory? Or do you just have no other argument? At least Condition Lever was adding to this debate with research.
Now my opinion. Jetstar is as, if not more, expensive (than the old QF price, which of course I have no way of Validating) because they are the only airline that do it. Monopoly, and Dixon is the little guy with the hat.
So, Just who on this thread is a "skygod"? And what did they say that was inflammatory? Or do you just have no other argument? At least Condition Lever was adding to this debate with research.
Now my opinion. Jetstar is as, if not more, expensive (than the old QF price, which of course I have no way of Validating) because they are the only airline that do it. Monopoly, and Dixon is the little guy with the hat.
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Condition Lever..
"My quote was for SIN - CNS and then CNS - SIN not as per your CNS - SIN - CNS"
Are you saying that it is cheaper to fly from Sin/Cns than it is to fly Cns/Sin ?
Apart from that there seems to be some discrepancy in fare quotes here.My quote however this afternoon was for over $1700 sin.For a low cost carrier that does not seem good when you could have purchased a qf airline fare with full service for less.
"My quote was for SIN - CNS and then CNS - SIN not as per your CNS - SIN - CNS"
Are you saying that it is cheaper to fly from Sin/Cns than it is to fly Cns/Sin ?
Apart from that there seems to be some discrepancy in fare quotes here.My quote however this afternoon was for over $1700 sin.For a low cost carrier that does not seem good when you could have purchased a qf airline fare with full service for less.
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Lowerlobe - Yes - it can be cheaper to fly from one destination return than the reciprocal.
Please tell me how you could buy a full service QF fare for that route when QF does not fly it?
Obviously you could go via SYD/BNE etc. to fly QF, but would you do this?
I have produced a quote for a fare for $SGD1164.
Are you disputing this? - if so check the website for yourself.
Please tell me how you could buy a full service QF fare for that route when QF does not fly it?
Obviously you could go via SYD/BNE etc. to fly QF, but would you do this?
I have produced a quote for a fare for $SGD1164.
Are you disputing this? - if so check the website for yourself.
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Be careful quoting prices;
I was amazed to find out (whilst living overseas)that it was cheaper for me to purchase tickets for family wishing to visit me from that end. ie. Consistently $200 cheaper to buy the ticket o/s and obtain a booking number, have the family member present at an airline rep in oz and have the ticket printed, than for said family member to walk in and buy the ticket themselves. Never could get a straight answer as to why.
Also, another anomoly is directional pricing. If the loads are heavier in one direction, then it is entirely possible to have standard fares that are quite different depending on direction of travel.
Anyway, back to the catfight....
I was amazed to find out (whilst living overseas)that it was cheaper for me to purchase tickets for family wishing to visit me from that end. ie. Consistently $200 cheaper to buy the ticket o/s and obtain a booking number, have the family member present at an airline rep in oz and have the ticket printed, than for said family member to walk in and buy the ticket themselves. Never could get a straight answer as to why.
Also, another anomoly is directional pricing. If the loads are heavier in one direction, then it is entirely possible to have standard fares that are quite different depending on direction of travel.
Anyway, back to the catfight....
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I was referring to ther previous QF fare quoted.The basis of a LCC is that it is cheaper than a legacy airline.Flights to other destinations that other full service carriers service are similarly priced to jetstar.In fact there was one with SIA (full service) and included a stopover in Singapore for only $150 more than the J* fare.
I have just checked the web site and a one way fare CNS/SIN was initially $536 (jetsaver fare) then with taxes it jumped to $698.Both of these are in Australian dollars.
This then converts to $890.00 Sing and that is only one way and on the web site as of 5 minutes ago...
I have just checked the web site and a one way fare CNS/SIN was initially $536 (jetsaver fare) then with taxes it jumped to $698.Both of these are in Australian dollars.
This then converts to $890.00 Sing and that is only one way and on the web site as of 5 minutes ago...
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Lowerlobe - Thanks!!!! - you are proving my point for me.
Enter the details as I have said!
You will get the same price that I have stated.
A return flight originating in SIN on those dates!!!!
Enter the details as I have said!
You will get the same price that I have stated.
A return flight originating in SIN on those dates!!!!
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Originally Posted by The Kavorka
There seems to be a lot of angry Skygods out there that love to bag JQ all the time.....It's getting really boring..
Originally Posted by The Kavorka
Todays airlines are lean operations acting like a bus/train service more and more each day, and if the Skygods don't get with the program they could be left behind!!!!!
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There seems to a be a substantial variation in fare price depending on the day.Your quote was $1164 Sing and the price I was quoted for different days in June was $1464 Sing.
My point was that the original fare quoted for QF doing this flight was just over $1100 Sing so for a low cost carrier there does not seem to be much of a saving.
My point was that the original fare quoted for QF doing this flight was just over $1100 Sing so for a low cost carrier there does not seem to be much of a saving.
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Have you travelled on a QF service lately....
Beaten up old tired a/c, grumpy old F/A's and the **** they shovel you to eat on our "Flagship" airline is a disgrace!!!
That my friend is the def of cheap and nasty!!!!!!!!!
And there supposed to be a full service airline....
Have you travelled on a QF service lately....
Beaten up old tired a/c, grumpy old F/A's and the **** they shovel you to eat on our "Flagship" airline is a disgrace!!!
That my friend is the def of cheap and nasty!!!!!!!!!
And there supposed to be a full service airline....
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Regardless of everyones gripes about particular Airlines its all dollars for us as pilots! And its only going to get better! Maybe Kavorka is jealous after being in his crappy office for ages haha! Regardless of the fares mate, our salaries will increase especially in the near future! Sorry there is not a pencil pusher shortage looming! lol! Its all good lets chill and enjoy the rewards! For once we can ignore the bulging idiot middle managers and realise the fact that they dont control in real terms any business!! Yay!
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As a side note no I dont believe Jet* is cheaper overall, but its all about perception, but hey Today Tonight and ACA rates pretty well so I guess we face this world reality!
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Glad I finally made mention...
Dude, I'm sorry to have rocked your boat. You seem more distressed than I was paying all that coin back then. Clearly, Crapstar changed their prices and for that I'm glad because it's a more direct flight.
Nonetheless, when AO stopped flying the route for as low as S$750 return, tickets I did manage to buy, at the last minute mind you, Qantas started the very next day at the prices I quoted. And when they stopped, the very next day the Crapstar tickets were as quoted.
Whatever; they're down in price now, and I'm buying. Sure glad I finally made mention of something that's been irking me for quite a while because in amongst that whirlwind you and Kapersky's offspring whipped-up, you managed to create something good.
Thanks, but Crapstar still are, well, crap
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Nonetheless, when AO stopped flying the route for as low as S$750 return, tickets I did manage to buy, at the last minute mind you, Qantas started the very next day at the prices I quoted. And when they stopped, the very next day the Crapstar tickets were as quoted.
Whatever; they're down in price now, and I'm buying. Sure glad I finally made mention of something that's been irking me for quite a while because in amongst that whirlwind you and Kapersky's offspring whipped-up, you managed to create something good.
Thanks, but Crapstar still are, well, crap
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Have heard through the grapevine, jetstar are reviewing their services to Japan from Cairns, and maybe reduced from the current QF/AO schedule. Word is that the Japanese tour groups are avoiding them and booking mass seats else where. It's all about choice i guess.....
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Travel Agents do not receive any fees or money to book their customers on JetStar.... Japanese are very very angry=JetStar are in trouble. It takes the Japanese a very long time to forgive and forget! QF are also struggling on the Japan routes.
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What is it that the Japanese don't like about Jetstar? Obviously the 'free' meal doesn't make a shred of difference. GD & AJ must've been dreaming if they thought is was all about free tucker.
I always thought that providing a free meal for some and not for others was asking for trouble. I'm sure Japanese tour grounps pay less for their fare than other pax yet these others get diddly squat.
You cannot have different rules for different people either provide meals foc for everyone or everyone pays.
I think management assumed that Jetstar would take off and be a bit hit like AO was. How wrong they were.
What is it that the Japanese don't like about Jetstar? Obviously the 'free' meal doesn't make a shred of difference. GD & AJ must've been dreaming if they thought is was all about free tucker.
I always thought that providing a free meal for some and not for others was asking for trouble. I'm sure Japanese tour grounps pay less for their fare than other pax yet these others get diddly squat.
You cannot have different rules for different people either provide meals foc for everyone or everyone pays.
I think management assumed that Jetstar would take off and be a bit hit like AO was. How wrong they were.