REX Drop Minimum's
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REX Drop Minimum's
Just saw on their website that they have dropped the req'd hours.
I think a week or so ago they were:
1500 Total
500 Twin
Now;
• Minimum of 1000 hours total flight time
• Minimum of 450 hours command or ICUS flight time on multi-engine aircraft under the I.F.R
I think a week or so ago they were:
1500 Total
500 Twin
Now;
• Minimum of 1000 hours total flight time
• Minimum of 450 hours command or ICUS flight time on multi-engine aircraft under the I.F.R
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From: dessert island
the checking people (NOTE I DIDN'T SAY TRAINING!) are failing young guys left, right and centre.
check people are probably too good to speak to HR department. HR department thinks..... "Duuuhhh, Uhm, no applicants, drop minimums"
check people are probably too good to speak to HR department. HR department thinks..... "Duuuhhh, Uhm, no applicants, drop minimums"
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From: USA
These companies seem to do everything in their power except increase T & Cs to attract and retain crews.
The race is on! Who will be the first one to crack and increase the pay?
This new recruiting sport is starting to get interesting
The race is on! Who will be the first one to crack and increase the pay?
This new recruiting sport is starting to get interesting
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From: bagdad
Management at this company are extremley narrow minded...
Do they think by dropping min's ths will help their problem
There are just not enough pilots in flying schools who can replace the ones leaving and hanging up the boots..
The number of new pilots to be hired at a rough guess i'd say would be
Virgin 300-400 in the next 3-5 years
Jetstar 400-600 in the next 3-5 years
Qantas 200-300 in next 5 years
Tiger possibly 100-200 in next 2-3 years (all going well)
Emirates...sky's the limit
Etihad 50-100 maybe
Cathay 50-100
Regionals...heaps......
The list goes on....ASIA???
REX and QANTASLINK are in deep trouble.....
I'm going to open up an a/c carpark and make a fortune.....
REX has to pay more now to even get close to retaining half of the crews they will require....and even that won't help....
I must admit I have little symapathy for the managment, they have screwed the flight crews for too long with crap pay and conditions and now it's time for revenge!!!!!
Do they think by dropping min's ths will help their problem
There are just not enough pilots in flying schools who can replace the ones leaving and hanging up the boots..
The number of new pilots to be hired at a rough guess i'd say would be
Virgin 300-400 in the next 3-5 years
Jetstar 400-600 in the next 3-5 years
Qantas 200-300 in next 5 years
Tiger possibly 100-200 in next 2-3 years (all going well)
Emirates...sky's the limit
Etihad 50-100 maybe
Cathay 50-100
Regionals...heaps......
The list goes on....ASIA???
REX and QANTASLINK are in deep trouble.....
I'm going to open up an a/c carpark and make a fortune.....
REX has to pay more now to even get close to retaining half of the crews they will require....and even that won't help....
I must admit I have little symapathy for the managment, they have screwed the flight crews for too long with crap pay and conditions and now it's time for revenge!!!!!
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From: bagdad
Turbine Dreamer
Figures are from no where specific, just having an educated guess..
Do the math on Virgin...pilots leaving.fact...new a/c coming.fact = pilot recruitment, 15 e jets = 200 pilots approx
jetstar 9 320's, 4 330's, 15 787's = 350 pilots approx
Get the picture!!!!
Figures are from no where specific, just having an educated guess..
Do the math on Virgin...pilots leaving.fact...new a/c coming.fact = pilot recruitment, 15 e jets = 200 pilots approx
jetstar 9 320's, 4 330's, 15 787's = 350 pilots approx
Get the picture!!!!
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From: Third Barstool on the left
Rex do not charge for your endorsement- You are, however, bonded for 2 years to the tune of (I think) $15,000 decreasing pro-rata.
That would hardly cover their cost in the Sim, I would think.
Cheers
That would hardly cover their cost in the Sim, I would think.
Cheers
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From: Down The Rabbit Hole
FP Ace,
You will find that The Kavorka has the numbers right.
The combinations could be altered but these crewing figures are actually on the lean side of the requirements of the airlines. Nor does it include 4 Brand name Asian airlines who are currently running 400 jet pilots short betwwen them and working their staff at max hours which is not sustainable.
For the last twenty years the challenges of supply and demand have always been the same. Whether the pilots have any currency is not as a result of their lobbying or union pressure, but events well beyond their control. Examples of these would be:The introduction of wide body aircraft on routes traditionally operated by smaller jets, changes in the economy, International disease, advances in aircraft manufacturing techniques, etc.
At the moment Australian pilots are basking in the effect of five major factors: The delay in the introduction of the A380, an unsuccessful EBA at Virgin, a local economy which is being sustained by a resources demand which has lasted longer than anticipated, a global economy which is presently at an unprecedented level of bouyancy and an ongoing profitable war in Iraq. Unusual events, the combination of which have not occurred for a very long time. The local effect is a share market and real estate market both on the up when they normally alternate. So there is lots of cash available, people gaining pay rises and unprecedented "success" all around us.
So why aren't pilot pays going up? Were you aware that the American banking industry studied every registered airline in the world and found that between 1974 and 2000 not one cent profit was made by the industry? The profits just keep changing hands. It's a difficult industry.
Given the long lead times in aircraft manufacturing, the juggling of an individual operators desire to expand (perhaps buying new aircraft to do so) with the commercial pressures of maintaining a profitable company in a dynamic economic environment, it is hardly surprising that a short term events such as a pilot shortage occur from time to time. But these too will pass.
Rather than us all complining that the companies are not delivering lotto-like pay increases perhaps we should be considering which aircraft type is going to be in the greatest demand over the next 10 years and position ourselves into the left hand seat of it. That way we have the best chance of a sustainable roster and income.
I realise that this is beyond the scope of your point but I felt that it was appropriate given the general lack of understanding in the thread.
And yes crewing on many jets is still at 10 crews per aircraft. It is entirely dependent on the route structure, rostering practices and regulatory requirements.
You will find that The Kavorka has the numbers right.
The combinations could be altered but these crewing figures are actually on the lean side of the requirements of the airlines. Nor does it include 4 Brand name Asian airlines who are currently running 400 jet pilots short betwwen them and working their staff at max hours which is not sustainable.
For the last twenty years the challenges of supply and demand have always been the same. Whether the pilots have any currency is not as a result of their lobbying or union pressure, but events well beyond their control. Examples of these would be:The introduction of wide body aircraft on routes traditionally operated by smaller jets, changes in the economy, International disease, advances in aircraft manufacturing techniques, etc.
At the moment Australian pilots are basking in the effect of five major factors: The delay in the introduction of the A380, an unsuccessful EBA at Virgin, a local economy which is being sustained by a resources demand which has lasted longer than anticipated, a global economy which is presently at an unprecedented level of bouyancy and an ongoing profitable war in Iraq. Unusual events, the combination of which have not occurred for a very long time. The local effect is a share market and real estate market both on the up when they normally alternate. So there is lots of cash available, people gaining pay rises and unprecedented "success" all around us.
So why aren't pilot pays going up? Were you aware that the American banking industry studied every registered airline in the world and found that between 1974 and 2000 not one cent profit was made by the industry? The profits just keep changing hands. It's a difficult industry.
Given the long lead times in aircraft manufacturing, the juggling of an individual operators desire to expand (perhaps buying new aircraft to do so) with the commercial pressures of maintaining a profitable company in a dynamic economic environment, it is hardly surprising that a short term events such as a pilot shortage occur from time to time. But these too will pass.
Rather than us all complining that the companies are not delivering lotto-like pay increases perhaps we should be considering which aircraft type is going to be in the greatest demand over the next 10 years and position ourselves into the left hand seat of it. That way we have the best chance of a sustainable roster and income.
I realise that this is beyond the scope of your point but I felt that it was appropriate given the general lack of understanding in the thread.
And yes crewing on many jets is still at 10 crews per aircraft. It is entirely dependent on the route structure, rostering practices and regulatory requirements.
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From: Seat 1A
Do you honestly suggest that these days Airlines still recruit 10+ Pilots per plane
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From: bagdad
Velvet..Top post
My figures were an estimate deirived from speking to many people in different airlines, also if you look at recruitment agencies such as Rishworth, Parc and the numerous others I do believe the figures stack up..
Another interesting fact is after looking at the QF seniority list there seems to be a large number of pilots on the wrong side of 55, therefore meaning a large number of retirements also due...
Good Times Ahead for every one i feel...
My figures were an estimate deirived from speking to many people in different airlines, also if you look at recruitment agencies such as Rishworth, Parc and the numerous others I do believe the figures stack up..
Another interesting fact is after looking at the QF seniority list there seems to be a large number of pilots on the wrong side of 55, therefore meaning a large number of retirements also due...
Good Times Ahead for every one i feel...
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From: Sydney Australia
FP_Ace,
How long have you been in the game mate?
A fatigue managers wetdream may be 8 pilots per aircraft, but industry norms are between 10 & 12 for reliable RPT ops. Any less and you are setting yourself up for disaster.
By the way, if you wish to be taken seriously, try buying a dictionary.
How long have you been in the game mate?
A fatigue managers wetdream may be 8 pilots per aircraft, but industry norms are between 10 & 12 for reliable RPT ops. Any less and you are setting yourself up for disaster.
By the way, if you wish to be taken seriously, try buying a dictionary.