Jetconnect Pilot shortage
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Jetconnect Pilot shortage
Jetconnect must be short as new notice to mainline about 5 month leave of absence at QF pay to fly out of AKL from late may,early june. For both Capt and F/O but need 2500hrs command on 73 for Capt spots!!
Pilot shortage growing!!
Pilot shortage growing!!
Gidday Tank,
I've heard that the rates of pay at Jetconnect are approx $90K Kiwi for Capt & $55K for F/O.
Is this true? And if not can anyone provide the real numbers?
I know it's a rumour network, but if these wages are even close to the real thing, I'd be suprised if there were any Jet drivers left!
I've heard that the rates of pay at Jetconnect are approx $90K Kiwi for Capt & $55K for F/O.
Is this true? And if not can anyone provide the real numbers?
I know it's a rumour network, but if these wages are even close to the real thing, I'd be suprised if there were any Jet drivers left!
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"I wonder where all those ex Ansett boys have gone !!!!!!"
To VB!
Vb are now employing Jetconnect drivers (and Pac Blue) - or anyone with a 737 rating they can get online quickly.
But not because they are short of pilots - just short "of pilot hours" according to the PR Dept.
To VB!
Vb are now employing Jetconnect drivers (and Pac Blue) - or anyone with a 737 rating they can get online quickly.
But not because they are short of pilots - just short "of pilot hours" according to the PR Dept.
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Pilot shortage there is, though it is only partially to blame in this case. However what mainline really need to send over is some decent managers rather than pilots. The JC crewing levels, recruitment and crew training have been grossly mismanged by what can only be described as amateurs. The place is a mess and getting worse. There is a pilot shortage which generally means it is not a good time to start shafting your pilots as they have just announced. Great timing, now the exodus truly begins.
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Quote (TE): "Yep, thats probably why they left and the company needs to pay way more for the temp crews."
It has been a while since I have been here but since this one affects me, here goes. Tank Engine you have a point that raises other issues as well. The conditions at Jetconnect are not that bad though there are better around. However most of those that have bailed are ex AN guys who had their eyes over the western horizon and with recent movement over there, it is only natural for them to want to move back home. That was, and still is easy to predict. Your comment also raises the question about expense and bearing in mind the requirement for 100 hours line training in NZ and that the Australian copilots will need to have their endorsements and I/R upgraded to "command" status, I imagine it could be a costly exercise to bring in mainline crews. Unless the intention is for them to operate outside of NZ airspace. Experience is only part of the equation when producing a suitable company pilot with other factors such as training playing a large part in the end product. Jetconnect does have a core of committed and experienced pilots that, by any world standard, are capable of doing the job. New Zealand and Australian GA and commuters also have well motivated and qualified people out there who are also capable of recruiting into positions with Jetconnect. Wouldn't it be better for the company to spend their money and resources on those who are prepared to or have already placed an investment of time in Jetconnect rather than spending it on mainline pilots who will have a nice well paid holiday in NZ and then return to Aussie.
It has been a while since I have been here but since this one affects me, here goes. Tank Engine you have a point that raises other issues as well. The conditions at Jetconnect are not that bad though there are better around. However most of those that have bailed are ex AN guys who had their eyes over the western horizon and with recent movement over there, it is only natural for them to want to move back home. That was, and still is easy to predict. Your comment also raises the question about expense and bearing in mind the requirement for 100 hours line training in NZ and that the Australian copilots will need to have their endorsements and I/R upgraded to "command" status, I imagine it could be a costly exercise to bring in mainline crews. Unless the intention is for them to operate outside of NZ airspace. Experience is only part of the equation when producing a suitable company pilot with other factors such as training playing a large part in the end product. Jetconnect does have a core of committed and experienced pilots that, by any world standard, are capable of doing the job. New Zealand and Australian GA and commuters also have well motivated and qualified people out there who are also capable of recruiting into positions with Jetconnect. Wouldn't it be better for the company to spend their money and resources on those who are prepared to or have already placed an investment of time in Jetconnect rather than spending it on mainline pilots who will have a nice well paid holiday in NZ and then return to Aussie.
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Every First Officer in Qantas has a "Command rating" on there respective aircraft. I don't know what the 100Hrs is all about. Is that some NZ regulation? I don't think it will cost QF a cent. Remember, QF crews were doing this flying before Jetconnect existed.
Every First Officer in Qantas has a "Command rating" on there respective aircraft. I don't know what the 100Hrs is all about. Is that some NZ regulation? I don't think it will cost QF a cent. Remember, QF crews were doing this flying before Jetconnect existed.
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It's not $90K for a captain, more like $115-120 plus allowances. Maybe someone actually working there can confirm?
Believe the $90k figure was close to what it was when they started though.
Believe the $90k figure was close to what it was when they started though.
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Mailine crews all have Command endorsements with CIR's and an aussie ATPL. That is all they need.
Also, the conditions in JC are the worst for 737 pilots in the western world, yet #1AHRS seems to think they are good, interesting....
Also, the conditions in JC are the worst for 737 pilots in the western world, yet #1AHRS seems to think they are good, interesting....
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Captain $115k + Allowances + Incentive pay + $15k Annual "retention" bonus
Captain (Rotorua/Queenstown qualified) $120 + above.
F/O (<500hrs B737) $66k + Allowances + incentive pay + $9k "retention" bonus.
F/O (>500hrs B737) $72k + above.
Captain (Rotorua/Queenstown qualified) $120 + above.
F/O (<500hrs B737) $66k + Allowances + incentive pay + $9k "retention" bonus.
F/O (>500hrs B737) $72k + above.
Captains pay before tax therefore is within a couple of thousand of that of an F/O on similar equipment in Asia, after tax he's well behind.
Is the financial penalty of enjoying the lifestyle at home worth it ?
Is the financial penalty of enjoying the lifestyle at home worth it ?
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Kiwi Labours Laws are weak, lets just exploit it
No, this is all to do with guys accepting whats offered, and paying for type-ratings etc...
Nothing more
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Yes conditions are bad there but they have had them by the balls. NZ is a small market, with labour laws weighted to the employer and if you arn't with Air NZ then the best on offer is Jetconnect, PB or GA. It's a job to say the best. What do they expect? Pilots will leave at short notice if they don't think they have a fair deal. This latest shafting of DE captains is done under the guise of 'lack of crew experience'. In the wake of a recent incident in Queenstown where Qantas came the closest it ever could to having a red tail sticking out of a mountain, this doesn't wash.
The issue is not one of experience but of an old boys attitude and a lack of due care that went across there from AN.
Bets are on that another couple of GT's mates will slip in through the back door, into top positions after failing to make it out there in the big wide world. I've personally flown the nest like many others because of T&C and feel sorry for those remaining at this time. Good luck. I believe that with a bit of serious management tweaking the airline could be worthy of employment. Those mainline crews that take contracts there may see themselves as saviours but the reality is that those who remain there will see you as nothing better than salt rubbed into an already very open wound. Like the old finger in the dyke story, the real issues will not be fixed.
The issue is not one of experience but of an old boys attitude and a lack of due care that went across there from AN.
Bets are on that another couple of GT's mates will slip in through the back door, into top positions after failing to make it out there in the big wide world. I've personally flown the nest like many others because of T&C and feel sorry for those remaining at this time. Good luck. I believe that with a bit of serious management tweaking the airline could be worthy of employment. Those mainline crews that take contracts there may see themselves as saviours but the reality is that those who remain there will see you as nothing better than salt rubbed into an already very open wound. Like the old finger in the dyke story, the real issues will not be fixed.
H1,
Okay, let me spin this one around...why do UK companies have better T&C's ...wouldn't have anything to do with a wee shortage would it. yes, I have flown in the UK, when there was a surplus of pilots after Air Europe's demise.....
JCL have relied on a surplus of Pilots in NZ/OZ, who would've donated their right testy to fly a B733. Times are a changing.
Okay, let me spin this one around...why do UK companies have better T&C's ...wouldn't have anything to do with a wee shortage would it. yes, I have flown in the UK, when there was a surplus of pilots after Air Europe's demise.....
JCL have relied on a surplus of Pilots in NZ/OZ, who would've donated their right testy to fly a B733. Times are a changing.
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Okay, let me spin this one around...why do UK companies have better T&C's ...wouldn't have anything to do with a wee shortage would it.
But those airlines tipping over didn't effect T&C's in any perceptible sense, all they did was create short-term competition for fewer jobs, for a time...
Look at the companies with the best T&C's in the UK industry, and there is a direct correlation between BALPA(British Airline Pilots Association) membership number..and the companies concerned.
BA.......around 80% membership
Virgin...around 85% membership
Thomsonfly....close to 90%
First Choice (ex Air 2000)...I'm told over 75% membership
Easyjet......90-95%
Monarch (my employer)...currently around 80%..and most of us are voting for industrial action to improve our T & C's
Ryanair....a few dribs and drabs, currently being offered a 4% pay-cut
Flybe....about 50%...currently being walked all over by management.
Phantom, you would appear to have been around long enough to realize what the current trend represents, and how to reverse it.
If the JQ workforce spoke with a united voice....it would take about 2 seconds for management types to start paying market rates...but then again if current employees accept their lot..than thats what they deserve isn't it?