Qantas 787's
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Qantas 787's
Rumour doing the traps is that at a recent board meeting it was decided that mainline would get ALL of the 787's and J* would get the ALL of the A330's.
Sounds like there might be some sense... but this IS Qantas....
Any truth to it?
Sounds like there might be some sense... but this IS Qantas....
Any truth to it?
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There are similar RUMOURS to this effect doing the run at the moment. The most plausible response is that the J* model (read low cost) will only continue to work with a common fleet type and crew hopefully operating both rather than two types.
Having said that, there has just been training slots announced in QF for the 330 so who knows?
Twin.
On the downside J* could get all of them and they'll be wetleased back to us
. Oh well, there's always Cathay 
Having said that, there has just been training slots announced in QF for the 330 so who knows?
Twin.
On the downside J* could get all of them and they'll be wetleased back to us
. Oh well, there's always Cathay
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QANTAS are always in discussion with Airbus and Boeing about aircraft; a bit like boys browsing the boat classifieds or girls walking through the handbag section at DJs.
B787 decision will be interesting, as the QANTAS group (I hate that term) will NOT have two pay/condition scales for the one type; no prize for guessing which level they will seek to impose. However, I've heard there will be no board decisions on any major expenditure/aircraft allocations etc until the APA bid is finalised. So I suspect this one may be more wishful thinking by QF drivers hoping for QF T&Cs on the B787, rather than a Jet*wetlease arrangement on the ones with red tails.
B787 decision will be interesting, as the QANTAS group (I hate that term) will NOT have two pay/condition scales for the one type; no prize for guessing which level they will seek to impose. However, I've heard there will be no board decisions on any major expenditure/aircraft allocations etc until the APA bid is finalised. So I suspect this one may be more wishful thinking by QF drivers hoping for QF T&Cs on the B787, rather than a Jet*wetlease arrangement on the ones with red tails.
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Wonder if Qantas Board will be looking over the Tasman at Zeal320 operation of A320s on behalf of Freedom and AirNZ. Same group of pilots. Different FAs. Different style of cabin service.
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I posted 8th Feb on another thread:
"OK, this is a rumour network right?
Try this one on for size. A yet to be announced delay in the B787 to J* (and everyone else) will mean J* is "forced" to take ALL the A330's from mainline to service it's expansion.
CCQ and all that.
Mainline gets ALL the B787's when they arrive. Already "Boeing" friendly outfit with experience on similar types.
Jetstar remains all Airbus/CCQ. A330/A320 and whatever else.(A380?)
I know "tell him he's dreamin".
Just a "rumour" I've heard. "
Maybe the Board thought it was a good idea?
"OK, this is a rumour network right?
Try this one on for size. A yet to be announced delay in the B787 to J* (and everyone else) will mean J* is "forced" to take ALL the A330's from mainline to service it's expansion.
CCQ and all that.
Mainline gets ALL the B787's when they arrive. Already "Boeing" friendly outfit with experience on similar types.
Jetstar remains all Airbus/CCQ. A330/A320 and whatever else.(A380?)
I know "tell him he's dreamin".
Just a "rumour" I've heard. "
Maybe the Board thought it was a good idea?
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Bula, how many hours have you got 
Unit, 1st 787 for Jet* due to be delivered August 2008, we have heard no different ( except on here )
At somewhere in the region of 1.5-2 million per annum extra in tech crew costs alone for QF to operate them, per A/C, you would think the chances of at least the original 14 not going to Jeffstar would be remote.
Unit, 1st 787 for Jet* due to be delivered August 2008, we have heard no different ( except on here )
At somewhere in the region of 1.5-2 million per annum extra in tech crew costs alone for QF to operate them, per A/C, you would think the chances of at least the original 14 not going to Jeffstar would be remote.
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then again
qf could negotiate a new hourly rate for the 787 and leave the A332's at J* (transfer the rest of the A333 in time to J*). given the high hourly rate QF has vs J*on the A330's this could save them a bit. just another way of economics.
Interesting rumour doing the rounds that QF (not Onestar) will actually introduce the A/C into australia. 
Running an LCC with multiple types will get expensive- does not gel with the model?
Who knows
Running an LCC with multiple types will get expensive- does not gel with the model?
Who knows
A reasonable person might see the introduction of a new aircraft type as a marketing opportunity to relaunch the airline! Seeing QF's main competitors will be employing premium products on the 787, to allow Jetstar to introduce this aircraft would be a tremendous opportunity lost. I'm surprised that the marketing man GD would not take advantage of this. The coincident timing of the A380 as well could see a complete overhaul of the QF product at minimal cost comparitively speaking.
Particularly with the ageing nature of the QF product, something needs to be done relatively quickly before the brand is put at risk. Certainly the rumour in this thread makes sense.
Particularly with the ageing nature of the QF product, something needs to be done relatively quickly before the brand is put at risk. Certainly the rumour in this thread makes sense.
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Pardon me for being cynical, but "buying" a lot of slots on aircraft production lines, could be a way of deferring profits couldn't it? Deposits would be treated as Capital (and not expense). As far as the shareholders would know, the dividend pool would be reduced by the amount of the deposits.
Now if the company buying Qantas were to simply sell off those slots, I wonder what the value would be? Would it be considerably more than Qantas paid in its initial deposit? Of course in additon, the premium on the deposit would not show in Qantas's books would it? Since it would be assumed by the auditors that Qantas was going to go through with the purchase wouldn't it?
Such a strategy could give rise to confusion among pilots (seemingly apparent on Pprune) about all these purchases of seemingly a lot of different aircraft types and who was going to get what, and when, and with who?
What if the purchases contain an element of speculation and there is not necessarily a commitment to following through with all the purchases, but instead sell the slots to the highest bidder?
While such a transaction is certainly legal, the value of the slots wouldn't show on QF's books, and only appear as extraordinary items when the slots were actually sold....but if the books (like the company) were private by then who would know?
Such speculation would of course be groundless if someone could tell me that Qantas is deeply involved in initial provisioning for each new type, training scads of staff in their maintenance and handling, and buying the tooling necessary for the whole shebang.....Are they?
Now if the company buying Qantas were to simply sell off those slots, I wonder what the value would be? Would it be considerably more than Qantas paid in its initial deposit? Of course in additon, the premium on the deposit would not show in Qantas's books would it? Since it would be assumed by the auditors that Qantas was going to go through with the purchase wouldn't it?
Such a strategy could give rise to confusion among pilots (seemingly apparent on Pprune) about all these purchases of seemingly a lot of different aircraft types and who was going to get what, and when, and with who?
What if the purchases contain an element of speculation and there is not necessarily a commitment to following through with all the purchases, but instead sell the slots to the highest bidder?
While such a transaction is certainly legal, the value of the slots wouldn't show on QF's books, and only appear as extraordinary items when the slots were actually sold....but if the books (like the company) were private by then who would know?
Such speculation would of course be groundless if someone could tell me that Qantas is deeply involved in initial provisioning for each new type, training scads of staff in their maintenance and handling, and buying the tooling necessary for the whole shebang.....Are they?
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Running an LCC with multiple types will get expensive- does not gel with the model?
Lots of LCCs have more than one type - J* started with 717s. EasyJet has 737s and A319s, JetBlue has A320s and E190s. And anyway the multiple types would only operate during the transition period.
If J* does stay with A330s, that would mean a rethink on J* plans to fly to Europe since the A330s would not such good planes out of SIN to Rome etc? I know German airlines like LTU use A332 between Dusseldorf/Munich and Asia, but 787s will be better.
Lots of LCCs have more than one type - J* started with 717s. EasyJet has 737s and A319s, JetBlue has A320s and E190s. And anyway the multiple types would only operate during the transition period.
If J* does stay with A330s, that would mean a rethink on J* plans to fly to Europe since the A330s would not such good planes out of SIN to Rome etc? I know German airlines like LTU use A332 between Dusseldorf/Munich and Asia, but 787s will be better.
The idea of QF selling off their 787 slots has done the rounds a bit often popping up in newspaper articles of late as one of things the APA could spin money off.
However QF will need to spend some money on new aircraft soon as they can't keep running around with what they've got forever. Since they are enjoying some good times at the moment it would be wise for a responsible manager to outlay some money into capital expenditure for the future.
I would imagine that the 777 boat has already sailed for Qantas really they should have jumped on that one 10 years ago and they should never had touched the A330. The 787 could be a winner hopefully it's introduction will be better organised than the the A330!
However QF will need to spend some money on new aircraft soon as they can't keep running around with what they've got forever. Since they are enjoying some good times at the moment it would be wise for a responsible manager to outlay some money into capital expenditure for the future.
I would imagine that the 777 boat has already sailed for Qantas really they should have jumped on that one 10 years ago and they should never had touched the A330. The 787 could be a winner hopefully it's introduction will be better organised than the the A330!
Bula, what I wouldn't do to be able to flick a switch and fly my airbus in direct law on finals...
A330 is a great aircraft to operate, but a dog to fly on finals (in my personal opinion).
A330 is a great aircraft to operate, but a dog to fly on finals (in my personal opinion).
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would imagine that the 777 boat has already sailed for Qantas really they should have jumped on that one 10 years ago and they should never had touched the A330. The 787 could be a winner hopefully it's introduction will be better organised than the the A330!
they very good at that after doing it for years with there workforce
787 test flight circa august 2007