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Air Nelson
Do any of you good folk know anything about air nelson? I'm thinking FO pay, rosters, nice place to work or no, where are pilots based (surely not just Nelson) etc etc???? Thanks in advance. Ray
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Management and Nelson trainers are mostly w**kers, Q300 roster is exhausting (enjoy the Saab while you can), line pilots are a great bunch. Get in there, do your time and move on (if you can).
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Hey Captain. Every flying job I have had there has always been w@#kers. Next time you are on the ramp at AA have a look at what the Mtn Air and GBA guys are doing. Air Nsn is not perfect but it beats their job.
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Great place to work, great people, nice new planes.
in my eyes the star of the link group.
There are w**kers everywhere in this game. Air Nelson seems to have very few.
All the best
in my eyes the star of the link group.
There are w**kers everywhere in this game. Air Nelson seems to have very few.
All the best
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You could fly freight around in Metroliners with the odd charter and ambo flight and get paid ~$50k + allowances (F/O), and only fly 350 hours a year. Not bad pay for a part time job.
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Next time you are on the ramp at AA have a look at what the Mtn Air and GBA guys are doing. Air Nsn is not perfect but it beats their job.
, or have you had the silver spoon your whole career? Mate I've watched those Mountain Air & GBA pilots out there in all sorts of conditions doing the hard yards while we sit there in our cosy c0ckpits w#*king on about our roster coming out 3 days late or some trivial peice of sh*t. I watch them run around like startled warthogs trying to get their flight away on time, no doubt untold amounts of pressure from management, I,ve heard our Ops people chewing them out to get off the gates. And they do everything, especially the boys from Mtn, they don't have an office crew like GBA.I had to laugh the other week, I was on 131.00 in AA listening to one of our ops ladies getting really angry and telling a Mountain Air pilot to "communicate better with your ops people" he came back very firmly informing her " I am the ops people, and the checkin person, and the call center, and the loading boy, hostie and sometimes the engineer but right now I'm the pilot and I need a gate for a dropoff, PLEASE!
So Capt, next time your having a winge about your management, spare a thought for those poor
who drive the Blue Beast (0800smokey), from the looks of things they have it a bit harder, and there management are probably bigger W#*kers.
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I had to laugh the other week, I was on 131.00 in AA listening to one of our ops ladies getting really angry and telling a Mountain Air pilot to "communicate better with your ops people" he came back very firmly informing her " I am the ops people, and the checkin person, and the call center, and the loading boy, hostie and sometimes the engineer but right now I'm the pilot and I need a gate for a dropoff, PLEASE!
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Look guys, have you ever sat back and thought about why conditions at Air Nelson are as they are? They are that way because past pilots - your predecessors - have not been prepared to sit back and smugly compare how well off they are compared to smaller operators. They have fought long and hard to get the conditions you now enjoy. With the collective employment agreement coming up for negotiation, take a long hard look at your working conditions. They may be better than Mountain Air or GBA, but if Air NZ stop hiring and you are still at Air Nelson in 3 years time, will you still be happy with the duty hours you are doing, the training regime and the salary? If not, stand up and support your negotiators as they work on your behalf.
If you have any questions about how Air Nelson compares to other operators I suggest you talk to the former Air Nelson pilots who are flying overseas - that will enable you to get a better perspective on how Air Nelson compares in the GLOBAL world of aviation.
Finally, although I don't really see how personalities have any relevance to this discussion, no, I haven't had the silver spoon. Like the majority of us I paid for my licences, did the instructing, flew freight etc. However I have also worked outside aviation and also have enough contacts overseas in aviation to be able to view Air Nelson realistically. The lifestyle may be manageable whilst you are single, but once you have done a few years there, and you factor in a family and the desire for any serious lifestyle outside aviation things become somewhat less rosy.
So, as I say, do you time, enjoy the company of the other line pilots and move on. While you are there, aim to improve the terms and conditions for your successors, as your predecessors have done.
If you have any questions about how Air Nelson compares to other operators I suggest you talk to the former Air Nelson pilots who are flying overseas - that will enable you to get a better perspective on how Air Nelson compares in the GLOBAL world of aviation.
Finally, although I don't really see how personalities have any relevance to this discussion, no, I haven't had the silver spoon. Like the majority of us I paid for my licences, did the instructing, flew freight etc. However I have also worked outside aviation and also have enough contacts overseas in aviation to be able to view Air Nelson realistically. The lifestyle may be manageable whilst you are single, but once you have done a few years there, and you factor in a family and the desire for any serious lifestyle outside aviation things become somewhat less rosy.
So, as I say, do you time, enjoy the company of the other line pilots and move on. While you are there, aim to improve the terms and conditions for your successors, as your predecessors have done.
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Yeah apparently all those years of operating into real airports lie LHR, CDG or AMS don't count when it comes to flying for Air Nelson... probably find that all those years flying jets are worth nothing either, 'cos that dash 8 is sooooo hard to fly....
Truly the most blinkered, small-minded and arrogant airline management on the planet... but that is what you get when none of your management team have flown for anybody outside of the local aero club and Air Nelson.
Truly the most blinkered, small-minded and arrogant airline management on the planet... but that is what you get when none of your management team have flown for anybody outside of the local aero club and Air Nelson.
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Quote Capt Condom..........They are that way because past pilots - your predecessors - have not been prepared to sit back and smugly compare how well off they are compared to smaller operators. They have fought long and hard to get the conditions you now enjoy.
Well said mate...a very refreshing post!!!!!!!
Well said mate...a very refreshing post!!!!!!!
Lo Bank:
JH is dreaming if he thinks Air Nelson is going to get the dash 8-400. No doubt he will dangle that carrot in front of everyones noses come negotiation time.
Anyone heard of the proposed strike by the engineers and crew controllers starting early May? I hope the pilot fraternity get in behind and support them.
JH is dreaming if he thinks Air Nelson is going to get the dash 8-400. No doubt he will dangle that carrot in front of everyones noses come negotiation time.
Anyone heard of the proposed strike by the engineers and crew controllers starting early May? I hope the pilot fraternity get in behind and support them.
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Shagtastic and Remoak have hit the nail on the head. Air Nelson is still run by the old boys instructor network. If you didn't do your instructor rating, and then spend the next two years growing more disillusioned and fed up with aviation (while working a job or two that actually paid you enough to live on), then you have no hope with them.
Shame really, it'd be nice to get back to Ol' NZ, but there are far too many bitter instructors infesting the ranks. Perhaps there should be an annual cull - like the easter bunny shoot, just to thin out their numbers a bit
Shame really, it'd be nice to get back to Ol' NZ, but there are far too many bitter instructors infesting the ranks. Perhaps there should be an annual cull - like the easter bunny shoot, just to thin out their numbers a bit
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Shame really, it'd be nice to get back to Ol' NZ, but there are far too many bitter instructors infesting the ranks. Perhaps there should be an annual cull - like the easter bunny shoot, just to thin out their numbers a bit
