OZ Tiger?
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OZ Tiger?
Whats the go? Anybody heard what the latest is?
It all seems to have gone a bit quiet...last I heard they were going thru the AOC process, so that'll take time I guess.
What about the EOI, anybody got any any feed back??
Just interested to see where they are going to place themselves in the supposed 'pilot shortage' market.
It all seems to have gone a bit quiet...last I heard they were going thru the AOC process, so that'll take time I guess.
What about the EOI, anybody got any any feed back??
Just interested to see where they are going to place themselves in the supposed 'pilot shortage' market.
They want the Aussie public to help 'create' their domestic route network.
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They have an ABN number.
But they will have to offer a decent service to stay alive.
We have:
JQ: LCC
DJ: Inbetween LCC and Full service
QF: Full service on some routes
So the question is where will Tiger fit in?
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They have an ABN number.
But they will have to offer a decent service to stay alive.
We have:
JQ: LCC
DJ: Inbetween LCC and Full service
QF: Full service on some routes
So the question is where will Tiger fit in?
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There must be room somewhere for them. Jetstar just got another 9 A320s to counter Tigers start up and Virgin have hinted at an Ultra LCC offshoot.
If they offer the same service at a slightly lower cost, it won't take long to wrestle some of QFs 65% and a lot of VBs 35% away.
If they offer the same service at a slightly lower cost, it won't take long to wrestle some of QFs 65% and a lot of VBs 35% away.
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Looks like both current main players are gearing up for a turf war.
Not sure any of us are the winners in that process, sure there will be some cheap tickets for a while but it will put pressure on current operators and their staff.
M.P.
Not sure any of us are the winners in that process, sure there will be some cheap tickets for a while but it will put pressure on current operators and their staff.
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...........too bad jet* & vb won't be able to get any pilots to crew their increase in fleets. tiger will scuffle all the available drivers in oz with better t & c's and no paying for endorsements..................
TSI, have heard something similar.
If you or anone else out there is in the know, could you please comment on the medium term fleet expansion plans of Tiger in Australia. In particular the widebodies.
Thx.
b.
If you or anone else out there is in the know, could you please comment on the medium term fleet expansion plans of Tiger in Australia. In particular the widebodies.
Thx.
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I'm not in the know but from what they've said in the media, only domestic stuff with the A320s is on their radar.
However, and it's a big however. It's been mentioned on another thread that Singers has possibly got 5 340s they want to offload onto Tiger for long haul.
However, and it's a big however. It's been mentioned on another thread that Singers has possibly got 5 340s they want to offload onto Tiger for long haul.
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...........too bad jet* & vb won't be able to get any pilots to crew their increase in fleets. tiger will scuffle all the available drivers in oz with better t & c's and no paying for endorsements..................
Theres hundreds if not thousands of GA guys who have missed out on QF, bombed out at stage one, dont know anyone from DJ so no Blue Star recomendation, missed out on REX etc, currently living in the middle of nowhere. I know of some top operators who have missed out. Currently flogging around in beat up GA aircraft making next to nothing. Many have thousands of hrs.
They, we, Iwould jump atthe chance to fly something decent or at least reliable. All it would take is a salary on the other side of 50K.
Pilot shortage...........pfffft.
They, we, Iwould jump atthe chance to fly something decent or at least reliable. All it would take is a salary on the other side of 50K.
Pilot shortage...........pfffft.
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a tasty bait...
operators ..... Currently flogging around in beat up GA aircraft making next to nothing. Many have thousands of hrs.
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Nice attitude Guptar, no wonder T & C at our airlines are getting worse. The airlines know of losers like you willing to fly jets for 50 K. Stay where you are..............D...head
xkred27
I would contend that you, in fact have the poor attitude. It seems you are someone who has "made it", one of the chosen ones. Someone who is godlike and must be treated like royalty.
It is no wonder that pilots have become mercenary, with the attitudes of the haves versus the have nots. The I;m alright thanks jack attitude that some airline drivers have, is one a poor reflection on the state of the industry.
Its no wonder that Geoff Dixon is sitting back laughing to himself, watching the way the pilot group from GA to the airlines fragment into small pieces that are easily played off against each other.
Maybe T& C standards are falling because some the likes of you are spending less time in the books and more time looking in the mirror thinking " how dam good am I".
You cant have it both ways, fight for pay and conditions over the whole industry, yes even for the much despised 402 drivers and the untouchable caste.......instructors ..............or face the prospect of guys who will do YOUR job for 1/3 of the money.
I would contend that you, in fact have the poor attitude. It seems you are someone who has "made it", one of the chosen ones. Someone who is godlike and must be treated like royalty.
It is no wonder that pilots have become mercenary, with the attitudes of the haves versus the have nots. The I;m alright thanks jack attitude that some airline drivers have, is one a poor reflection on the state of the industry.
Its no wonder that Geoff Dixon is sitting back laughing to himself, watching the way the pilot group from GA to the airlines fragment into small pieces that are easily played off against each other.
Maybe T& C standards are falling because some the likes of you are spending less time in the books and more time looking in the mirror thinking " how dam good am I".
You cant have it both ways, fight for pay and conditions over the whole industry, yes even for the much despised 402 drivers and the untouchable caste.......instructors ..............or face the prospect of guys who will do YOUR job for 1/3 of the money.
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Guptar...
Well,well; ever thought that your response to xkred27 may be just what one aspect of "stage 1" is designed to achieve - -personality profiling.
Ever thought also, that some who are prepared to do the job for 1/3 the rate may be only able to do it at something less than 3/3 the standard?
Role on...
Well,well; ever thought that your response to xkred27 may be just what one aspect of "stage 1" is designed to achieve - -personality profiling.
Ever thought also, that some who are prepared to do the job for 1/3 the rate may be only able to do it at something less than 3/3 the standard?
Role on...
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Guptar, I will be nice. I spent plenty of years is GA. All I wanted from when I was young was to be in Cathay. I was offered an interview during their recruitment ban. I rejected the interview, because sometimes you have to bite the bullet and respect what the current pilots in the airline are trying to achieve. I was never again offered an interview............Don't panic, you WILL get your chance. hang tight and don't except poor T & C for an airline job. You think your working hard now, you'll work harder in J* and VB.
If you can't get through a regional interview in this day and age then you really are not prepared enough or your flying skills are not up to scratch. It ain't that difficult.
Even if Rex give you the boot there still is Skippers, Network, Jetcraft, all the QF regionals, O'Connors, Pelair......the list goes on.
If Tiger want to hurt Jetstar all they have to do is up the ante on the pay and they would be flooded with ready to go type endorsed pilots. I somehow feel that Tiger is not going to help anyone flying around GA in the bush. They will be looking for typed pilots, and failing that heavy turboprop drivers, not GA bugsmasher guys.
Even if Rex give you the boot there still is Skippers, Network, Jetcraft, all the QF regionals, O'Connors, Pelair......the list goes on.
If Tiger want to hurt Jetstar all they have to do is up the ante on the pay and they would be flooded with ready to go type endorsed pilots. I somehow feel that Tiger is not going to help anyone flying around GA in the bush. They will be looking for typed pilots, and failing that heavy turboprop drivers, not GA bugsmasher guys.
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The day will come where the companies with the worst conditions will sink as they struggle to replace and train experienced staff that leave.
Supply and demand. Companies that have worked out that times have changed will survive.
Supply and demand. Companies that have worked out that times have changed will survive.
Xkred, thanks for ur post. I dont want T & C to get any worse, but unless the pilot community sticks together and acts as one entitiy, from 152 driver to A380, then the various airline managers are going to divide and conquer.
Then, if it become open slather, a 737/A320 slot at even 40K will be double what most guys down the bottom of the foodchain are on.
Has taken me 7 years and nearly 2000 hrs to get my first salaried flying job, even then I make $15 a week less than the chicks at Safeway.
Havent had a regional interview yet, havent applied. But does anyone have a guide as to what the interview proces is like.
Then, if it become open slather, a 737/A320 slot at even 40K will be double what most guys down the bottom of the foodchain are on.
Has taken me 7 years and nearly 2000 hrs to get my first salaried flying job, even then I make $15 a week less than the chicks at Safeway.
Havent had a regional interview yet, havent applied. But does anyone have a guide as to what the interview proces is like.
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Suffragette City
Please excuse my claim to suffrage however.....
Do you still really believe that TIGER_SIA.COM
is really interested in domestic??
51% Aussie ownership after 1yr...where too then my friend??
heeelllooo weeesssttt cccoooaasstttt
Do you still really believe that TIGER_SIA.COM
is really interested in domestic?? 51% Aussie ownership after 1yr...where too then my friend??
heeelllooo weeesssttt cccoooaasstttt
The pressure on terms and conditions is upward in the rest of the world.
Emirates are now rumoured to be offering 1 million as a ten year completion of contract bonus. This is no suprise in Asia as pilot retention is becoming a real problem.
Tiger is hiring pilots now for the Oz base but contracted for Singapore initially. It is going to be really hard for the LCCs to retain guys and this is bound to flow on to Australia as Jetstar, Virgin and even Qantas guys start to leave for Emirates, Etihad etc.
Once you get on the back of the drag curve as far as pilots numbers, retention, hold files, suitable applicants, training slots and costs, it is a vicious cycle. Standards are not as good-more training, less check out ratios - wasted training, people leave because they are worried about job security etc etc
Lets see what happens in Oz when this starts to bite!!
Emirates are now rumoured to be offering 1 million as a ten year completion of contract bonus. This is no suprise in Asia as pilot retention is becoming a real problem.
Tiger is hiring pilots now for the Oz base but contracted for Singapore initially. It is going to be really hard for the LCCs to retain guys and this is bound to flow on to Australia as Jetstar, Virgin and even Qantas guys start to leave for Emirates, Etihad etc.
Once you get on the back of the drag curve as far as pilots numbers, retention, hold files, suitable applicants, training slots and costs, it is a vicious cycle. Standards are not as good-more training, less check out ratios - wasted training, people leave because they are worried about job security etc etc
Lets see what happens in Oz when this starts to bite!!