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Oz you have just made cunninglinguist's point for him.
He is indicating that 4 one day sims does not a sky god make.
It is fairly transparent that he works for J* - not mainline.
Suggest you re-read the post.
He is indicating that 4 one day sims does not a sky god make.
It is fairly transparent that he works for J* - not mainline.
Suggest you re-read the post.
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Umm, actually Cap'n we do 1 licence renewal a year, like every other airline or aviation oufit in this country, as far as I know CASA would'nt recognise any more than that ( its actually an IR renewal, licences are renewed by getting a medical each year, QF may do 4 of these as well 
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Prof checks are a different matter, you can do as many as you like in house.
There are arguments for and against doing 2 x 2 hr sessions twice a year V 2 hours 4 times a year. ( yes for you mathmatical geniuses, it is exactly the same time spent in sim )
With only 4 hours between 2 drivers, there tends to be little time for training and it becomes more like 4 checks a year.
The way Jet* ( and VB et al ) do it, 2 sim checks a year plus a line check, the C&T department get to see the drivers every 4 months or so.
How many times do you need to check your crew.................if you trust them that is.
QFs big C little T attitude is old hat, compared to the rest of the world, not just QF world.
)Prof checks are a different matter, you can do as many as you like in house.
There are arguments for and against doing 2 x 2 hr sessions twice a year V 2 hours 4 times a year. ( yes for you mathmatical geniuses, it is exactly the same time spent in sim )
With only 4 hours between 2 drivers, there tends to be little time for training and it becomes more like 4 checks a year.
The way Jet* ( and VB et al ) do it, 2 sim checks a year plus a line check, the C&T department get to see the drivers every 4 months or so.
How many times do you need to check your crew.................if you trust them that is.
QFs big C little T attitude is old hat, compared to the rest of the world, not just QF world.
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The issue of simulator is actually one of cost cutting. I believe AIPA have gone to QF and tried to cut down the number of sims. QF say no and then go harping on that mainline is to expensive etc etc. Meanwhile Jetstar are taking all the QF work under the guise of being cheaper. Just more management spin.
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From my experience, it's a big T and a little c these days. Also, four sims per year are required in long haul for recency purposes due to long sectors and lack of takeoff's/landings as a result I believe.
Nunc est bibendum
Management wins again!
Yet again we've shown how stupid pilots can be by resorting to comparing the length of our proverbials rather than focusing on management who are desperate to keep the pilot groups separate and at each other's throats. The plan's working pretty well for management so far.
So let's keep the real issue in focus here which Neville has been kind enough to highlight. The gripe of most QF mainline drivers is that we're required to do 'more' training (checking, whatever), more often, of all sorts, but are then told continuously that our cost base is too expensive. No one is claiming to be a better driver because of it (although a former DCP is convinced that not everyone can be a QF pilot and whilst he's probably right in a pure sense that doesn't mean that if you're not a QF driver then you aren't capable of driving heavy metal), we're just cranky at being forced to jump through a set of fiery hoops that others aren't forced to jump through. The length of command training, number of sims, number of line sectors, etc is just a quick example.
So let's keep the real issue in focus here which Neville has been kind enough to highlight. The gripe of most QF mainline drivers is that we're required to do 'more' training (checking, whatever), more often, of all sorts, but are then told continuously that our cost base is too expensive. No one is claiming to be a better driver because of it (although a former DCP is convinced that not everyone can be a QF pilot and whilst he's probably right in a pure sense that doesn't mean that if you're not a QF driver then you aren't capable of driving heavy metal), we're just cranky at being forced to jump through a set of fiery hoops that others aren't forced to jump through. The length of command training, number of sims, number of line sectors, etc is just a quick example.
Why would it be different to all the other airlines?
GA pilot's will tell you they are captains already.
FO's grumble that it's far too involved.
Captain's will tell you it's a piece of p!ss.
Go figure!
GA pilot's will tell you they are captains already.
FO's grumble that it's far too involved.
Captain's will tell you it's a piece of p!ss.
Go figure!
cunning et al,
The p1ssing contest about sims/recency/training etc is all well and good, but the biggest joke of all is that people who have applied for mainline in the past and missed out then go and get offered JQ interviews, without even applying in some cases.
Say what you will about the mainline selection process, but it's their train set and thats the standard they set. All of a sudden it's OK for dodgystar to pick up the scraps. How the fark does that work? And before you say "i've never applied to mainline" I realise it doesn't apply to everyone but there are plenty out there in this situation.
(A very tired and jet lagged) TL
The p1ssing contest about sims/recency/training etc is all well and good, but the biggest joke of all is that people who have applied for mainline in the past and missed out then go and get offered JQ interviews, without even applying in some cases.
Say what you will about the mainline selection process, but it's their train set and thats the standard they set. All of a sudden it's OK for dodgystar to pick up the scraps. How the fark does that work? And before you say "i've never applied to mainline" I realise it doesn't apply to everyone but there are plenty out there in this situation.
(A very tired and jet lagged) TL
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Cunning you are a bit off the mark re licences
An Aus ATPL is perpetual, you do not need any form of check to renew it as it doesn't run out.
A current IR is required to operate IFR, ie use the priveliges of your IR,
most RPT operaters conduct a cyclic sim that covers all of the requirements of your IR renewal in a one year period, hence each sim covers part of the annual renewal requirment.
Medicals like the IR do not renew a licence, they are required to use the priviliges of your licence.
Hope this helps
An Aus ATPL is perpetual, you do not need any form of check to renew it as it doesn't run out.
A current IR is required to operate IFR, ie use the priveliges of your IR,
most RPT operaters conduct a cyclic sim that covers all of the requirements of your IR renewal in a one year period, hence each sim covers part of the annual renewal requirment.
Medicals like the IR do not renew a licence, they are required to use the priviliges of your licence.
Hope this helps
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Have a look at the AIRC website, there are transcripts regarding some of the matters raised in this post. J* Chief Pilot was also cross-examined, J* operate 30 international flights a week so he stated, by the end of the year it will be 70. Straight from the guys mouth.
J*/QF/VB all working together on this case against APIA, as is the AFAP as well. These airlines are S%^TING themselves that the airline pilots of AUS get together and form a collective bargining power.
Time to unite is now, they are worried about this happening, so lets make it happen, VB/J*/QF need to start one union, with the regionals involved as well.
Wide Body Pay Scales
Narrow Body Pay Scales
Regional Pay Scales
All the same no matter which airline you work for. I believe QF payscales for a start. And I don't work for QF.
J*/QF/VB all working together on this case against APIA, as is the AFAP as well. These airlines are S%^TING themselves that the airline pilots of AUS get together and form a collective bargining power.
Time to unite is now, they are worried about this happening, so lets make it happen, VB/J*/QF need to start one union, with the regionals involved as well.
Wide Body Pay Scales
Narrow Body Pay Scales
Regional Pay Scales
All the same no matter which airline you work for. I believe QF payscales for a start. And I don't work for QF.
