New Security Screening Requirements
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New Security Screening Requirements
From ABC Newsite 7/3/07
Air travellers face tighter security
International travellers leaving the country will need to carry toiletries in their hand luggage in a clear plastic bag from the end of this month.
The Transport Minister Mark Vaile says the move brings Australia's security arrangements into line with the United States and United Kingdom after a potential terrorist attack was foiled at London's Heathrow Airport last August.
"Any liquids, aerosols or gels will need to be no larger than 100 millilitres in size," he said.
"They'll need to be packed in a one litre clear, plastic container so that when passengers travelling on international flights out of Australia arrive at the screening point, they will need to take that out of their hand luggage and have that screened separately at the same time as you do with a laptop computer at the moment."
My Bold in that report, but I regularly fly in to USA and UK and I havent seen passengers with the clear plastic bags doing this as Mr Vaile describes, except for immediately after the liquid terrorist scare. Is he telling porkies? These regulations were rubber stamped as usual through the senate, I find it interesting how we still have no guidance whether aircrew will be affected by this limitation. Does anyone know?
Air travellers face tighter security
International travellers leaving the country will need to carry toiletries in their hand luggage in a clear plastic bag from the end of this month.
The Transport Minister Mark Vaile says the move brings Australia's security arrangements into line with the United States and United Kingdom after a potential terrorist attack was foiled at London's Heathrow Airport last August.
"Any liquids, aerosols or gels will need to be no larger than 100 millilitres in size," he said.
"They'll need to be packed in a one litre clear, plastic container so that when passengers travelling on international flights out of Australia arrive at the screening point, they will need to take that out of their hand luggage and have that screened separately at the same time as you do with a laptop computer at the moment."
My Bold in that report, but I regularly fly in to USA and UK and I havent seen passengers with the clear plastic bags doing this as Mr Vaile describes, except for immediately after the liquid terrorist scare. Is he telling porkies? These regulations were rubber stamped as usual through the senate, I find it interesting how we still have no guidance whether aircrew will be affected by this limitation. Does anyone know?
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The BAA reckons this restriction still applies:
http://www.baa.co.uk/
On this page is a link to more detailed information. Lord knows what is the go in the Land of The Free!
http://www.baa.co.uk/
On this page is a link to more detailed information. Lord knows what is the go in the Land of The Free!
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Thanks BA indeed it seems it does apply in the UK however as Aircrew I don't need to take a clear plastic bag as desribed, I wonder if we will have the same dispensation in Australia? I doubt it somehow...
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Just one point that has been overlooked is that when travelling to the USA from Brisbane, a final security check is made just prior to boarding where one is subjected to a substantial check where ball point pens are taken from passengers, refills removed and the pen returned. The refill is thrown in a box. However, some of these more expensive pens have a sleeve attached which also ends up in the airport box rendering the expensive pen useless forever after.
Take note that at no time are passengers advised of this extra intrusion into their lives and pending destruction of their property.
I won't elaborate here about the security personnel doing these checks as it is probable enough has been said on the matter.
Also, it would appear that the reason for checks has been lost when one observes the checks aircrew must go through. Is it not a fact that aircrew are meant to take control of the aircraft?
Take note that at no time are passengers advised of this extra intrusion into their lives and pending destruction of their property.
I won't elaborate here about the security personnel doing these checks as it is probable enough has been said on the matter.
Also, it would appear that the reason for checks has been lost when one observes the checks aircrew must go through. Is it not a fact that aircrew are meant to take control of the aircraft?
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And I had my plastic elcheapo pen (rigid plastic refil) taken too!
And I said.....I have an ASIC.....and I use this to fill out my PILOTS logbook....what sort of threat amI??
Lucky it was a cheapie, or I might have stabbed a security officer to..........a biro mark from it
FARKIN IDOITS.....DOTARS, the security folk....the lot! Ohhh and dont start me on US security, its probably less effective than it looks....refer my other posts on that. It has more holes than a Roo Roadsign outside of Goondi !
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And I said.....I have an ASIC.....and I use this to fill out my PILOTS logbook....what sort of threat amI??
Lucky it was a cheapie, or I might have stabbed a security officer to..........a biro mark from it
FARKIN IDOITS.....DOTARS, the security folk....the lot! Ohhh and dont start me on US security, its probably less effective than it looks....refer my other posts on that. It has more holes than a Roo Roadsign outside of Goondi !
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Just one point that has been overlooked is that when travelling to the USA from Brisbane, a final security check is made just prior to boarding where one is subjected to a substantial check where ball point pens are taken from passengers, refills removed and the pen returned. The refill is thrown in a box. However, some of these more expensive pens have a sleeve attached which also ends up in the airport box rendering the expensive pen useless forever after.
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is it ok to take a pen on board???? Of course QF will give you one to fill out your customs forms.......on board
Its stupid.......Stupid is what stupid does....or something like that
PAF....can't even have a sharp wit
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is it ok to take a pen on board???? Of course QF will give you one to fill out your customs forms.......on board
Its stupid.......Stupid is what stupid does....or something like that
PAF....can't even have a sharp wit
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Yeah I remember being stabbed by a sharpened lead pencil in school goddamn it if that was in my neck i wouldnt be here! State Schools I still love them! haha! How about a fork? I think we all agree that the current security screening does nothing to deter a determined terrorist.
(How about a porcelain knife?? They are sharper and more lethal than any current metal knifes and undetectable by current means? but hey thats another story) from the net
"Ceramic knives present a conceptual problem to the security industry since ceramics are not picked up by metal detectors. Ceramic knives can be detected by extremely high frequency scanners, although (as of 2006) these scanners are not yet in widespread use."
Let's face it no aircraft Cabin is secure no matter how much spin and crap the politicians talk about! I'm just wondering if we are going to be further inconvenienced by a further check which is both time consuming and frustrating. If anyone knows please post. I have wrote to politicians no reply as of yet...
(How about a porcelain knife?? They are sharper and more lethal than any current metal knifes and undetectable by current means? but hey thats another story) from the net
"Ceramic knives present a conceptual problem to the security industry since ceramics are not picked up by metal detectors. Ceramic knives can be detected by extremely high frequency scanners, although (as of 2006) these scanners are not yet in widespread use."
Let's face it no aircraft Cabin is secure no matter how much spin and crap the politicians talk about! I'm just wondering if we are going to be further inconvenienced by a further check which is both time consuming and frustrating. If anyone knows please post. I have wrote to politicians no reply as of yet...
I was departing a small Pacific country last week and was informed by security that no liquids or gels WHATSOEVER were permitted in hand luggage. Not even toothpaste! This is just plain ridiculous.
And there are no exceptions or exemptions for crew.
After a 11-hour flight without a chance to gargle or brush my teeth, you don't want to get close to me.
What upset the passengers most was that this policy was introduced without any forewarning.
Not smart.
And there are no exceptions or exemptions for crew.
After a 11-hour flight without a chance to gargle or brush my teeth, you don't want to get close to me.
What upset the passengers most was that this policy was introduced without any forewarning.
Not smart.
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The friendly Qantas ground staff at my local were kind enough to offer the crew members overnight use of a brolly to enable a dryish walk from the terminal to the car (370mm rain in 4 days!). "Thanks", said Claret, "I'll drop it off on my way through in the morning".
Next morning Claret is held up in security while the Neanderthal on duty went to check with their supervisor as to whether a Qantas umbrella can be taken through the terminal.
As an industry, we don't need to worry about SARs or other similar events to cause a downturn in travel demand, the security forces around the world are doing it for us.
Next morning Claret is held up in security while the Neanderthal on duty went to check with their supervisor as to whether a Qantas umbrella can be taken through the terminal.
As an industry, we don't need to worry about SARs or other similar events to cause a downturn in travel demand, the security forces around the world are doing it for us.
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"Also, it would appear that the reason for checks has been lost when one observes the checks aircrew must go through. Is it not a fact that aircrew are meant to take control of the aircraft?"
Well said Jetsatar21.
"Sucurity Staff" (term used loosely
) TAKE NOTE OF ABOVE!
Enough said.
"Here endeth the lesson"
Well said Jetsatar21.
"Sucurity Staff" (term used loosely
) TAKE NOTE OF ABOVE!Enough said.
"Here endeth the lesson"
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Parts from Hansard:
Another Bill rushed through Parliament by Johny "desiccated coconut" Howard, in order to look like he's tough on terrorism.
When the Howard government wants to fast track legislation through parliament it certainly does not hesitate. In 2005 , the government announced its intention to rush through the major antiterrorism bill in one day! It listed the bill for debate in the house of Representitives on Melbourne Cup day 2005. Not only did Howard try to restrict debate to one day but intended to have that debate on a day when most Australians would be focused on the Race. The day Australia stops!
The howard government also announced a quickie Senate inquiry into that bill that was restricted to just one day of hearing.
That was for a bill dealing with a raft of important antiterrorism matters that were complex and had serious issues of privacy and human rights involved.
In the end despite Howard trying to rush this through debate ,pressure from Labor forced a rethink.
When Howard wants to act quickly to protect his own political hide he certainly knows how to achieve it.
When he needs to act quickly to protect the travelling public he moves with the speed of a sloth.
Me thinks that if the Government is inundated with complaints about this drivel ,the old coconut might just rethink his position.
Here's hoping common sense will pre-vail! ( I know don't mention that waste of space)
Another Bill rushed through Parliament by Johny "desiccated coconut" Howard, in order to look like he's tough on terrorism.
When the Howard government wants to fast track legislation through parliament it certainly does not hesitate. In 2005 , the government announced its intention to rush through the major antiterrorism bill in one day! It listed the bill for debate in the house of Representitives on Melbourne Cup day 2005. Not only did Howard try to restrict debate to one day but intended to have that debate on a day when most Australians would be focused on the Race. The day Australia stops!
The howard government also announced a quickie Senate inquiry into that bill that was restricted to just one day of hearing.
That was for a bill dealing with a raft of important antiterrorism matters that were complex and had serious issues of privacy and human rights involved.
In the end despite Howard trying to rush this through debate ,pressure from Labor forced a rethink.
When Howard wants to act quickly to protect his own political hide he certainly knows how to achieve it.
When he needs to act quickly to protect the travelling public he moves with the speed of a sloth.
Me thinks that if the Government is inundated with complaints about this drivel ,the old coconut might just rethink his position.
Here's hoping common sense will pre-vail! ( I know don't mention that waste of space)
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This whole gels and liquids thing for tech crew is a joke. We often pax across the Tassie (in civvies) and operate back....via the transit area only. As a result, overnight bags are taken with us as hand luggage to avoid the hassles of Customs, baggage claim, getting back through to departures without a ticket (but I'm operating crew, yes but you need a ticket, no I don't, I'm operating crew, so where's your uniform, in my bag. Here's my ID, I want to go through so I can get changed, get on the plane and fly it back across the Tasman, well you can't go through without a ticket, well I give up then!)
So to add to the complications, all gels and liquids need to fit in a 1 litre plastic bag, and nothing more than 100ml. Most times it would be easier to check in the overnight bag, but the hassles outlined above mean that is more bother than it's worth. So, shampoo, shaving creme, deodorant, toothpaste etc etc for sometimes up to 3 or 4 nights away, all in a 1litre bag.
Ridiculous....I don't want some security guy and all my fellow passengers to see my heamorroid cream, personal lubricants and other such overnight essentials. The only danger they represent is to myself
I think if I wanted to endanger the aircraft, I could easily come up with something a bit more lethal than a mixture of Old Spice, hair gel, KY and Colgate!
So to add to the complications, all gels and liquids need to fit in a 1 litre plastic bag, and nothing more than 100ml. Most times it would be easier to check in the overnight bag, but the hassles outlined above mean that is more bother than it's worth. So, shampoo, shaving creme, deodorant, toothpaste etc etc for sometimes up to 3 or 4 nights away, all in a 1litre bag.
Ridiculous....I don't want some security guy and all my fellow passengers to see my heamorroid cream, personal lubricants and other such overnight essentials. The only danger they represent is to myself
I think if I wanted to endanger the aircraft, I could easily come up with something a bit more lethal than a mixture of Old Spice, hair gel, KY and Colgate!
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Angle,
My transits through UK terminals this year has had me getting handed a little plastic bag for my smells & potions. Maybe they do it randomly.
Must be having an effect on the duty free industry - eg. on a EGLL-YSSY service, whilst the punters could buy anything they like airside at LHR, chances are it'll get taken off them again at security at the transit port... no??
My transits through UK terminals this year has had me getting handed a little plastic bag for my smells & potions. Maybe they do it randomly.
Must be having an effect on the duty free industry - eg. on a EGLL-YSSY service, whilst the punters could buy anything they like airside at LHR, chances are it'll get taken off them again at security at the transit port... no??
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As a silly old bit of fluff ,could I suggest the following.
As techy's ,keep your in-cabin bags, however just check-in a large suitcase ,and maybe fill it with a few phone books, must keep up the illusion!.With multisector domestic patterns and numberous aircraft changes, I believe the whole system would come to a standstill very quickly,as you wait,collect and recheck your bag in with 30-45 min turnarounds.Buggered if I'm going anywhere without my toothbrush and copius quantities of toiletries!
There are only so many Falcon 900's around to ferry polly's on their junkets!
PS this bullcrap law is soon to be introduced domestically in Australia.
The present government still thinks that being tough on security is still a vote winner.
As techy's ,keep your in-cabin bags, however just check-in a large suitcase ,and maybe fill it with a few phone books, must keep up the illusion!.With multisector domestic patterns and numberous aircraft changes, I believe the whole system would come to a standstill very quickly,as you wait,collect and recheck your bag in with 30-45 min turnarounds.Buggered if I'm going anywhere without my toothbrush and copius quantities of toiletries!
There are only so many Falcon 900's around to ferry polly's on their junkets!
PS this bullcrap law is soon to be introduced domestically in Australia.
The present government still thinks that being tough on security is still a vote winner.
And I said.....I have an ASIC.....and I use this to fill out my PILOTS logbook....what sort of threat amI??
holding an ASIC doesn't mean you are exempt from security...
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But topend the issue is you are exempt in the States and UK from these requirements at the moment as operating aircrew. And with this countries record in security being a pain in the a$$ I'm guessing we wont be exempt here
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Are some of you people naive or just plain stupid? There are many flaws in the security checking process and the various requirements but to suggest that crew be exempt from screening is quite absurd.
As screening is now reasonably thorough, there are not that many ways by which an ill-intentioned person should be able to harm, or attempt to harm, a commercial aircraft. If crew were to be exempt from the security requirements, it would be only a matter of time before crew impostors became de riguer. After all, how easy is it to get hold of crew uniform/ID cards, fair means or foul? For example, how may crew secure their uniforms and ID cards when not on duty?
Please think about this issue a little more deeply and stop the carping. Rather than bang on about being screened, isn't it better to submit meekly and set an example to the masses? I know this would be a pain in the backside and great loss of face to many but the message that 'this is serious' is hard to ignore when they see bods in uniform being checked. Security screening of crew is a non-issue. Put your energy into addressing the serious flaws that we know are in the system.
There are many flaws in the security checking process and the various requirements but to suggest that crew be exempt from screening is quite absurd. As screening is now reasonably thorough, there are not that many ways by which an ill-intentioned person should be able to harm, or attempt to harm, a commercial aircraft. If crew were to be exempt from the security requirements, it would be only a matter of time before crew impostors became de riguer. After all, how easy is it to get hold of crew uniform/ID cards, fair means or foul? For example, how may crew secure their uniforms and ID cards when not on duty?
Please think about this issue a little more deeply and stop the carping. Rather than bang on about being screened, isn't it better to submit meekly and set an example to the masses? I know this would be a pain in the backside and great loss of face to many but the message that 'this is serious' is hard to ignore when they see bods in uniform being checked. Security screening of crew is a non-issue. Put your energy into addressing the serious flaws that we know are in the system.