AOWL - The latest in this saga...
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AOWL - The latest in this saga...
- Losing 1 B767 in March.
- As a result are 80 cabin crew overstaffed.
- Melb base long haul are 80 cabin crew understaffed. Make your own mind up where the extra staff will be offered positions.
- KIX and NGO to services are to be flown by Jetskab sooner than first anticipated.
- HKG (from BNE) and CGK to be flown by AOWL when aformentioned mob start flying KIX/NGO.
- As a result are 80 cabin crew overstaffed.
- Melb base long haul are 80 cabin crew understaffed. Make your own mind up where the extra staff will be offered positions.
- KIX and NGO to services are to be flown by Jetskab sooner than first anticipated.
- HKG (from BNE) and CGK to be flown by AOWL when aformentioned mob start flying KIX/NGO.
Have heard similar ODL. To further add to the specualtion (it is a rumour network) talk in the engineering camp is that they will be painting a couple of 767s white and AOWL will be wetleasing them to Deathstar for initial CNS - Japan services.
Am sure they will use the usual channels to notify the staff (ie. the Cairns Post).
Am sure they will use the usual channels to notify the staff (ie. the Cairns Post).
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Have heard that the AOWL schedules be reduced to reflect the new Jet* Japan schedules as of late March '07. Osaka will go from daily to four a week and Nagoya will also reduce from a daily service to six days a week.
Maybe the cabin crew will be encouraged to join Jet* as well as offered casual positions within Qantas....not good for them.
What are peoples thoughts on the Narita services? I think the first flight ( for those not in the know there are two nrt flights a day ex cns, the first being a JAL flight operated by qf and the second a qf flight in it's own right ) will go back to mainline qf and the second become a Jet*.
As Keg once said, I am sick of living in interesting times!
Maybe the cabin crew will be encouraged to join Jet* as well as offered casual positions within Qantas....not good for them.
What are peoples thoughts on the Narita services? I think the first flight ( for those not in the know there are two nrt flights a day ex cns, the first being a JAL flight operated by qf and the second a qf flight in it's own right ) will go back to mainline qf and the second become a Jet*.
As Keg once said, I am sick of living in interesting times!
It is important to get the product right!
If they go to the trouble of painting all white 767's then they should make them all economy for the Japanese leisure market as well!
Hey, with the efficiency of a Cairns based crewing operation they might even think of a separate operation. One with a strong Aussie theme because the Japanese love anything Australian!
How about......Australian Airlines?
Nah....too simple it couldn't work!
If they go to the trouble of painting all white 767's then they should make them all economy for the Japanese leisure market as well!
Hey, with the efficiency of a Cairns based crewing operation they might even think of a separate operation. One with a strong Aussie theme because the Japanese love anything Australian!
How about......Australian Airlines?
Nah....too simple it couldn't work!
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Ok, it's a rumour no longer......just been trawling the qf schedules online at qantas.com and the reduction in flying officially starts week of 26 March 2007.
Hmmm, surprised that the Cairns Post didn't publish it first, I guess they're busy with Cyclone and Crocodile stories.
Hmmm, surprised that the Cairns Post didn't publish it first, I guess they're busy with Cyclone and Crocodile stories.
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If my memory serves, a major justification used in the rebadging of AO services to Japan back as QF was that Australian Airlines had no "brand recognition" in that country.
Of course, with the Jetstar brand being a household name in Japan, it will be a completely different story.
Of course, with the Jetstar brand being a household name in Japan, it will be a completely different story.
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The brand and everything associated with it is a very important factor especially in Japan! They don't risk anything.
From an interview with AJ,
Australian image?
Qantas had 'Australian Airlines', what a marketing opportunity!
So they use Jetstar model and brand instead......great move!
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/...584909537.html
From an interview with AJ,
"What we found were a few characteristics they wanted from an airline," Joyce says. "They wanted a professional airline which had safety and security taken for granted. Being part of the Qantas group was a big advantage for us, so we wanted to make it clear that we are part of the group.
"They also wanted an airline to project an Australian image - they wanted an open, accessible and egalitarian airline. They also wanted us to have an image of fun as well."
"They also wanted an airline to project an Australian image - they wanted an open, accessible and egalitarian airline. They also wanted us to have an image of fun as well."
Qantas had 'Australian Airlines', what a marketing opportunity!
So they use Jetstar model and brand instead......great move!
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Business/...584909537.html
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They also wanted us to have an image of fun as well
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Make up your mind BA LJERT, you're the one always advocating that QF Crew are overpaid and that you want to see our wages and conditions slashed.
Well people like you have Jetstar, Its what you wanted!
You've heard the old saying, "pay peanuts get monkeys" ...
You simply cannot have full service when staff are paid a pittance!
Well people like you have Jetstar, Its what you wanted!
You've heard the old saying, "pay peanuts get monkeys" ...
You simply cannot have full service when staff are paid a pittance!
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Latest info now says reduction in flying is only temporary, for approximately six weeks. This is reflected in the QF schedules. May not be so bad after all, two days in ngo and kix might be fun 
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glad this is a rumour network as most of the above is cr@p!
if you know the commercial market to/from Japan it is always quite in March thru May - no different this year i expect. schedules were always amended in past years so why not this year.
chill out and relax
if you know the commercial market to/from Japan it is always quite in March thru May - no different this year i expect. schedules were always amended in past years so why not this year.
chill out and relax
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Well people like you have Jetstar, Its what you wanted!
You simply cannot have full service when staff are paid a pittance!
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Good Service
If you have 18 crew on a Jumbo and 13 on a 777 (Sing Air)you are going to receive Excellent service no matter how much the crew are paid.
You should also be aware that the "Singapore Girl" is a myth.
Virtually all the girls come from any where but Singapore.
Pretty much the same way QF is going.
"I still call Australia Home"...pure bulldust.
You should also be aware that the "Singapore Girl" is a myth.
Virtually all the girls come from any where but Singapore.
Pretty much the same way QF is going.
"I still call Australia Home"...pure bulldust.
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Why not? Have a look at what the Singapore Girl or the FA's at CX are paid and then tell me that good/full service and a pittance for pay are incompatible. But it's best to stick to the topic
BA LERT - please back up your statement with facts. Please pass on the relevent pay scales, required duties and duty hours for comparison. Please also provide the details of employment - contract, part time or full time. Please also state the additional benefits such as housing allowance etc for CX crew other than HK locals. Do not forget the standard of hotel accomodation and allowances paid in addition to the slip time and patterns allocated.
I may have misunderstood your statement - however objective comparison is the best method to present your case.
regards
BA LERT - please back up your statement with facts. Please pass on the relevent pay scales, required duties and duty hours for comparison. Please also provide the details of employment - contract, part time or full time. Please also state the additional benefits such as housing allowance etc for CX crew other than HK locals. Do not forget the standard of hotel accomodation and allowances paid in addition to the slip time and patterns allocated.
I may have misunderstood your statement - however objective comparison is the best method to present your case.
regards
Drifting off a bit here - but - when a few of us were negotiating at one airline, we found the best way was not to go comparing ourselves to other airlines. Unfortunately theres not really a yard stick in this industry - we found that rather than focusing our energy on what the others are getting, and instead focusing on what can we get for ourselves, we not only got what we wanted but also got a bit of respect for recognising that to compare ourselves to other airlines was pointless.
Agree or disagree, but we managed to walk away with in some cases a pay rise of over 100% pa, increased flexibility, and a system that financially rewarded those who worked more as opposed to the old system that effectively penalised them.
As for high pay = high standards of service... well id love to find a cabin manager paid less than what we were - but we still managed to smile and put on a nice show for the pax. Of course, the goodwill to help out the company was minimal (probably still a lot more than most airlines however) - but the service was no different.
Agree or disagree, but we managed to walk away with in some cases a pay rise of over 100% pa, increased flexibility, and a system that financially rewarded those who worked more as opposed to the old system that effectively penalised them.
As for high pay = high standards of service... well id love to find a cabin manager paid less than what we were - but we still managed to smile and put on a nice show for the pax. Of course, the goodwill to help out the company was minimal (probably still a lot more than most airlines however) - but the service was no different.
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If you have 18 crew on a Jumbo
You should also be aware that the "Singapore Girl" is a myth.
Virtually all the girls come from any where but Singapore.
Virtually all the girls come from any where but Singapore.
In any case, I have always thought that the "Singapore Girl" was the Singapore Airlines girl rather than the Singaporean girl.
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Twiggs :Correct?
If you dont count the Flight Director(or whatever they are called) you have 17 on a Sing Air jumbo....a whole lot more than other Airlines.
You missed the point about the "Singapore Girl"
You missed the point about the "Singapore Girl"
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What have any of the last statements had to do with the future of the AO wet lease. If you are going to argue semantics over the pay scales of foreign airlines might I suggest you do it somewhere else. There are people at AO who are really keen to know what is going to happen to them in the next couple of months. So please only post relevant information here as there are many other forums for you to post in...
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Australian Aviation Magazine
Quote, JAN/FEB 2007
QANTAS'S JAPANESE SHUFFLE
Qantas will switch services from Cairns to Nagoya and Osaka from mid 2007 from Qantas mainline to Jetstar International because of Jetstar's much lower cost base, making it more suited for the largely suited leisure orientated services.
Jetstar A330-200's will operate six times a week between Cairns and Nagoya from August 2nd, and four times a week from Cairns to Osaka from September 08th as well as the recently announced Osaka-Brisbane-Sydney services which commence March 25.
Under the revised timetable the Qantas group will offer 55 services a week to Japan, ontop of the seasonal Sapporo flights.
Qantas current 767-300 Nagoya and Osaka services are operated by Cairns base Australian Airlines staff under the Qantas brand. The Australian Airlines Cairns based crew will be deployed elsewhere on the Qantas newwork.
SYD-LH / BNE-LH and MEL-LH watch out, here they come!!!!!
QANTAS'S JAPANESE SHUFFLE
Qantas will switch services from Cairns to Nagoya and Osaka from mid 2007 from Qantas mainline to Jetstar International because of Jetstar's much lower cost base, making it more suited for the largely suited leisure orientated services.
Jetstar A330-200's will operate six times a week between Cairns and Nagoya from August 2nd, and four times a week from Cairns to Osaka from September 08th as well as the recently announced Osaka-Brisbane-Sydney services which commence March 25.
Under the revised timetable the Qantas group will offer 55 services a week to Japan, ontop of the seasonal Sapporo flights.
Qantas current 767-300 Nagoya and Osaka services are operated by Cairns base Australian Airlines staff under the Qantas brand. The Australian Airlines Cairns based crew will be deployed elsewhere on the Qantas newwork.
SYD-LH / BNE-LH and MEL-LH watch out, here they come!!!!!
