Darwin STARs: What is Going On Up There??
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They did eventually depart ' 30 sec stream I think. Lead also quoted MARSA which didnt really apply and wasnt notified etc and off they went (range time pressure an all that) cant remember exactly what was issued at the time but was probably in line with tracking instructions (though not sure how they managed their initial tracking with no radial info avlbl to them) along with some requirements to mantain a certain min gradient of climb to at least stay at or above the vertical element of the SID. Appreciate that many bits of MATS are open to interpretation sometimes, as discussed many times in many other posts, so have no wish to get too involved here. Point of the post was really to try and show that the current set up doesnt always benefit all parties most of the time; as was the issue raised by thread starter. As an aside Im sure that there are often still instances with foreign aircrew where what is said / issued by ATC is not what the pilots expected or understood from their interpretation of the rules and vice versa.
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They did eventually depart ' 30 sec stream I think. Lead also quoted MARSA which didnt really apply and wasnt notified etc and off they went (range time pressure an all that) cant remember exactly what was issued at the time but was probably in line with tracking instructions (though not sure how they managed their initial tracking with no radial info avlbl to them) along with some requirements to mantain a certain min gradient of climb to at least stay at or above the vertical element of the SID. Appreciate that many bits of MATS are open to interpretation sometimes, as discussed many times in many other posts, so have no wish to get too involved here. Point of the post was really to try and show that the current set up doesnt always benefit all parties most of the time; as was the issue raised by thread starter. As an aside Im sure that there are often still instances with foreign aircrew where what is said / issued by ATC is not what the pilots expected or understood from their interpretation of the rules and vice versa.
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i'd suspect you were a right-seater yourself, but you'd know that it looks more like this these days..
p.s my gene pool is that shallow i can wade through it.
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Bob....
'Aptitude testing for Air Defence and Air Traffic are exactly the same - or at least they are now."
Ummmm yes maybe, but if you bang out of an Airdefendo course you will not get offered an ATC course. The natural progression through the chain of events if you get scrubbed (if you are still seen as an asset to the system) is from Pilots course to Nav, Nav to ATC and well unfortunately if all goes to a complete can of poop you can always be an AirDefendo. If that doesn't work out then you are back down at BP pumping gas and thinking about what could have been....
My instructors probably still claim to this day I would have been a better AirDefendo (putting them together is much easier than keeping them apart!) but 5 countries later thankfully nobody has cottened onto it yet!
Ummmm yes maybe, but if you bang out of an Airdefendo course you will not get offered an ATC course. The natural progression through the chain of events if you get scrubbed (if you are still seen as an asset to the system) is from Pilots course to Nav, Nav to ATC and well unfortunately if all goes to a complete can of poop you can always be an AirDefendo. If that doesn't work out then you are back down at BP pumping gas and thinking about what could have been....
My instructors probably still claim to this day I would have been a better AirDefendo (putting them together is much easier than keeping them apart!) but 5 countries later thankfully nobody has cottened onto it yet!
