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New Eagle Interview
I know there is heaps on the old interview - but whats the haps with adding on another day to this interview and a removing the sim ride.
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The interviews are in Hamilton now. Instead of the sim ride, you get actual hands on in the 1900 to evaluate your basics and see what your aptitude for learning may be. A pilot aptitude test is also carried out through CTC. Apparently there is a bit of correlation between the results of these two tests. 4 days is a bit of a mish but! Mind you if you want the work, you'll jump the hoops I guess.
I used to have an Atari games console and if my mate had an XBox 360 I'd be super-keen for a play. If he said I had to pash his Aunty first, I probably would.
Don't fear though, if you fail an Eagle interview, you can still fall back on NASA for a job.
I used to have an Atari games console and if my mate had an XBox 360 I'd be super-keen for a play. If he said I had to pash his Aunty first, I probably would.
Don't fear though, if you fail an Eagle interview, you can still fall back on NASA for a job.
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Passing the four day process opens up a few options, either to fly the most sophisicated turboprop aircraft in the country, where for the next 3-4 years you will demonstrate your hand flying prowess to the other legend next to you. Or perhaps operate the space shuttle sim training future astronaut hopefulls on the operation of sophisticated airborne equipment. Or tell them to shove it and geta job with Air NSN.
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Split, nice constructive comment there my friend.
Almost every airline interview I have had experience with, has involved at least 3 full days (9-5) of different types of assesment.
The chat with the CP is a thing of the past my friend, you might as well get used to it, or find your career grinding to a holt
Just remember 4 days is a drop in the bucket when you look at the big picture.
Almost every airline interview I have had experience with, has involved at least 3 full days (9-5) of different types of assesment.
The chat with the CP is a thing of the past my friend, you might as well get used to it, or find your career grinding to a holt
Just remember 4 days is a drop in the bucket when you look at the big picture.
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Almost every airline interview I have had experience with, has involved at least 3 full days (9-5) of different types of assesment.
The chat with the CP is a thing of the past my friend, you might as well get used to it, or find your career grinding to a holt
The chat with the CP is a thing of the past my friend, you might as well get used to it, or find your career grinding to a holt
There are still plenty of airlines worldwide who hire on the basis of the friendly chat.........they may dress up aptitude tests to allow them to reject you on the basis of an arbitrary score (to remove any hint of descrimination in this very PC world we currently live in) but in essence they are looking for a couple of key competencies (especially for those with a bit of experience behind us)
1. Can I sit next to this guy for 12hrs...without wanting to throttle him.
2. Can he/she operate the aircraft to a satisfactory standard.
3. Does this person possess an ability to be a commander at some point.
Beyond that...........most airlines are just covering their arses
Out of interest Cyco.....how many Airline interviews have you attended? (outside of NZ/OZ)
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1. Can I sit next to this guy for 12hrs...without wanting to throttle him.
2. Can he/she operate the aircraft to a satisfactory standard.
3. Does this person possess an ability to be a commander at some point.
Beyond that...........most airlines are just covering their arses
Out of interest Cyco.....how many Airline interviews have you attended? (outside of NZ/OZ)
2. Can he/she operate the aircraft to a satisfactory standard.
3. Does this person possess an ability to be a commander at some point.
Beyond that...........most airlines are just covering their arses
Out of interest Cyco.....how many Airline interviews have you attended? (outside of NZ/OZ)
Please enlighten us.
As for my interview experience outside of NZ/OZ. As this is a downunder forum, those details are irrelevant to this discussion.
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Whoop Whoop EGO Pull UP!Pull UP.......
you forgot terrain terrain..too low gear
Back to the subject
But I would love to hear how you would go about assessing these qualities during a 30 min "chat".
Simply put however, a friendly chat is a well used HR (and I use that term VERY liberally) and management process that can determine social, verbal, technical, as well as other key competencies.
You cannot however determine a candidates flying aptitude based on a chat or test scores...all you can do is predict..or assess a learning rate based on passed experience (something that is pointless for the most part unless you are training from an ab-initio standpoint)
Which is why the likes of CX, BA, and VS to name a few, place a HEAVY emphasis on the interpersonal aspect of assessing candidates.
In conclusion, attributes 1 & 3 can be assessed very accurately (much more so than the assorted aptitude tests currently envogue) when a skilled manager/interviewer conducts the process. Attribute 2 can only accurately be assessed in the sim/aircraft.
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If Nelson and Cooks are moving to a 3 day interview, then I think Eagle are quite sensible to move to a 4 day process. That will keep them ahead of the pack and maintain their podium position
What I find most galling, is "Ramjet" strongly suggesting his favourite tipple. Isn't it enough that most of the candidates are young'uns, without much coin in their skyrockets, and then made to feel obligated to buy drinks.
For the record, I don't and don't want to work for them......
At the end of the day, it is their train set.
What I find most galling, is "Ramjet" strongly suggesting his favourite tipple. Isn't it enough that most of the candidates are young'uns, without much coin in their skyrockets, and then made to feel obligated to buy drinks.
For the record, I don't and don't want to work for them......
At the end of the day, it is their train set.
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Haughtney my good fellow
What is it about the Eagle interview that you are against then?
The interpersonal skills is the core to the process agreed and that is assessed both from the panel interview and a group exercise.
As for the sim ride, we all know they dont have one available so are using the aircraft instead. A step in the right direction when compared to the GA fixed based sim that was being used until recently.
What is it about the Eagle interview that you are against then?
The interpersonal skills is the core to the process agreed and that is assessed both from the panel interview and a group exercise.
As for the sim ride, we all know they dont have one available so are using the aircraft instead. A step in the right direction when compared to the GA fixed based sim that was being used until recently.
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Cyco.........
My answer is simple..4 bloody days...when a 1 day process would be perfectly adequate
(assuming of course the main tenant to this thread is accurate)
EA are making guys/girls jump through hoops for the worst reason possible....because they can and not IMHO to provide the best/most trainable candidates.
Thats were my problem lies (amongst other NZ aviation issues) and it is why after 4 years of flying in NZ, I went offshore in search of less restrictive and narrow-minded pastures. (I say that as a bloody proud Kiwi)
As a final addition to add context Cyco......I was offered an interview at EA in 2002, which after speaking to the nice HR lady...I turned down.
Haughtney my good fellow
What is it about the Eagle interview that you are against then?
What is it about the Eagle interview that you are against then?
(assuming of course the main tenant to this thread is accurate)
EA are making guys/girls jump through hoops for the worst reason possible....because they can
and not IMHO to provide the best/most trainable candidates.Thats were my problem lies (amongst other NZ aviation issues) and it is why after 4 years of flying in NZ, I went offshore in search of less restrictive and narrow-minded pastures. (I say that as a bloody proud Kiwi)
As a final addition to add context Cyco......I was offered an interview at EA in 2002, which after speaking to the nice HR lady...I turned down.
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My interview experiences have ranged from "friendly chats", 1 full day, and multi-day. All these for B737, and in my opinion if you can't figure out if a candidate is who you want in two days, you just dont know. Cheers.
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Haughtney you are so right..I will PM you my CV if you start an airline
Plus how can you get to a 4 day interview out of town, if you don't have vacation time owing, or a work system that tolerates leave requests at short notice (like me)..especially if you don't want your employer to know you're looking around??
Plus how can you get to a 4 day interview out of town, if you don't have vacation time owing, or a work system that tolerates leave requests at short notice (like me)..especially if you don't want your employer to know you're looking around??
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By all accounts, the new interview process is panel interview, some co-ordination/ psyc test done at CTC, a group session, they will then select the potentials they like and send them up for a fly on the 4th day, otherwise they will go home after the 3rd day.
Flight seems to involve a t/o and climb on vor, track back to vor and do a hold (i think) and vor/dme approach and land. Probably a bit to take in for someone who has probably flown a/c no bigger than a pa31. Handles fairly similar with regard to aileron feel and pitch, the power is obviously a bit better.
The amount of instrumentation in the cockpit is a bit over-aweing for the first timer in the aircraft and the best piece of advice I could give anyone is to forget all but what you need, focus on the basic scan for ifr flying as it's the same, just presented on screens. Otherwise you will get lost/ dissorientated, try and have fun.
Flight seems to involve a t/o and climb on vor, track back to vor and do a hold (i think) and vor/dme approach and land. Probably a bit to take in for someone who has probably flown a/c no bigger than a pa31. Handles fairly similar with regard to aileron feel and pitch, the power is obviously a bit better.
The amount of instrumentation in the cockpit is a bit over-aweing for the first timer in the aircraft and the best piece of advice I could give anyone is to forget all but what you need, focus on the basic scan for ifr flying as it's the same, just presented on screens. Otherwise you will get lost/ dissorientated, try and have fun.
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Amazing
The Cathay Pacific final pilot assessment up in Hong Kong is widely considered the world's most comprehensive and difficult, hence why there are books written specifically about it etc. It consists of a welcome briefing, group paperwork-filling-in-session, a multiple-hundred-question psych test, a group CRM exercise, a B747 sim ride briefing, the sim ride itself, a one-on-one technical interview, an HR interview, an incredibly thorough medical, a living-in-Hong-Kong briefing, and even a cocktail party with the management. Most of the people that do the assessment are already airline captains with thousands of hours experience on turboprops or small jets, and even then well over half of them get sent home with the bad news.
I did it a few years back and I've got no shame in admitting I was one of the majority who didn't make it through. My point is that it was a HELL of a thorough and intimidating interview experience, which put every other big-jet airline interview I have subsequently attended in the shade. I honestly can't imagine any other assessment they could have cooked up for us, any stone they left unturned, or any potential skeleton I had in my closet that wouldn't have been well and truly found out. ( Well except for the fact that I taught Thump & Go his PPL )
Now, all this incredible process takes TWO days, and even then, it seems there's a fair bit of time spent where the boys are just standing around in hallways in Cathay City waiting for the next session to begin.
I'm not jumping on the well established pprune Eagle bashing bandwagon, to be honest it's their trainset and they are quite within their rights to play with it however they like. Assuming the previous poster was right and there's now a bit of a poling session in the B1900 associated with the assessment, and assuming purely on economic grounds that the flight takes 30-45 minutes max with a quick briefing before & after.
My question is simply, what the hell have they actually got you guys DOING up there for FOUR DAYS??!!
The Cathay Pacific final pilot assessment up in Hong Kong is widely considered the world's most comprehensive and difficult, hence why there are books written specifically about it etc. It consists of a welcome briefing, group paperwork-filling-in-session, a multiple-hundred-question psych test, a group CRM exercise, a B747 sim ride briefing, the sim ride itself, a one-on-one technical interview, an HR interview, an incredibly thorough medical, a living-in-Hong-Kong briefing, and even a cocktail party with the management. Most of the people that do the assessment are already airline captains with thousands of hours experience on turboprops or small jets, and even then well over half of them get sent home with the bad news.
I did it a few years back and I've got no shame in admitting I was one of the majority who didn't make it through. My point is that it was a HELL of a thorough and intimidating interview experience, which put every other big-jet airline interview I have subsequently attended in the shade. I honestly can't imagine any other assessment they could have cooked up for us, any stone they left unturned, or any potential skeleton I had in my closet that wouldn't have been well and truly found out. ( Well except for the fact that I taught Thump & Go his PPL
)Now, all this incredible process takes TWO days, and even then, it seems there's a fair bit of time spent where the boys are just standing around in hallways in Cathay City waiting for the next session to begin.
I'm not jumping on the well established pprune Eagle bashing bandwagon, to be honest it's their trainset and they are quite within their rights to play with it however they like. Assuming the previous poster was right and there's now a bit of a poling session in the B1900 associated with the assessment, and assuming purely on economic grounds that the flight takes 30-45 minutes max with a quick briefing before & after.
My question is simply, what the hell have they actually got you guys DOING up there for FOUR DAYS??!!
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sorry, I forgot the panel interview, but by the sounds of it- not alot and you pay to get there and for your accomodation and meals.
Im not saying I support it but just telling how it is.
Im not saying I support it but just telling how it is.
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Try not to think of it as 4 whole, complete, mentally draining days of assessment after assessment, if they were interviewing only 1 person it could all be done in a day.
The group session (when I did it), was something like 5-6 hours including a company provided sit down lunch for an hour (cumulative 1 day), the sim ride (again when I did it) was less than hour, maybe 40mins in & out, after greetings, pleasantries, tell us about your background briefly etc so maybe they allow 1 hr per person. But when you are interviewing 10 people that can take all day and some, it's a similar time frame with the panel interview so in my case they sim checked 5 and interviewed the other 5 and then did the other exercise the next day, adding in lunch and coffee breaks that can easily be considered a 2 full days for the interview panel(cumulative time 3 days).
When you've finished your particular exercise for the day, then that's it ... go home or back to where you are accomodated and prepare for the next phase, you are not under the microscope all day for 4 days, just the time it takes to complete each phase.
From my understanding the changes are including apptitude testing which can essentially replace the sim ride from above, and then those that are considered worth a closer look are invited to pole the Beech for how ever long?
I'm not sure how Cathay does their interview but I'm assuming they have different people responsible for different phases of the interview, and so candidates go from room to room (or building to building as it may be) and see each individual, do thier thing and move on to the next, but at Eagle, the management team quite often are involved in multiple phases of the interview so they get a more complete look at the candidate, and maybe thats why it's spread out, because the management team can't be in 2 or 3 places at once.
As I've said before, if you know what is involved to join a particular company but you dont like it then look at another company to pursue. Again if you know that a company requires a 2, 3 or 4 day interview process, then allow for it when you are getting close to the ball park for an interview.... accumulate annual leave, save your 6% loading for holiday pay from your contract pay or daily rate etc so when the time comes, it's easier to arrange time off with your employer or you're not so financially disadvantaged if you don't work for 4 days or a week.
If they want it, they will come
S2K
PS Hey Luke - hows the scottish castle???
The group session (when I did it), was something like 5-6 hours including a company provided sit down lunch for an hour (cumulative 1 day), the sim ride (again when I did it) was less than hour, maybe 40mins in & out, after greetings, pleasantries, tell us about your background briefly etc so maybe they allow 1 hr per person. But when you are interviewing 10 people that can take all day and some, it's a similar time frame with the panel interview so in my case they sim checked 5 and interviewed the other 5 and then did the other exercise the next day, adding in lunch and coffee breaks that can easily be considered a 2 full days for the interview panel(cumulative time 3 days).
When you've finished your particular exercise for the day, then that's it ... go home or back to where you are accomodated and prepare for the next phase, you are not under the microscope all day for 4 days, just the time it takes to complete each phase.
From my understanding the changes are including apptitude testing which can essentially replace the sim ride from above, and then those that are considered worth a closer look are invited to pole the Beech for how ever long?
I'm not sure how Cathay does their interview but I'm assuming they have different people responsible for different phases of the interview, and so candidates go from room to room (or building to building as it may be) and see each individual, do thier thing and move on to the next, but at Eagle, the management team quite often are involved in multiple phases of the interview so they get a more complete look at the candidate, and maybe thats why it's spread out, because the management team can't be in 2 or 3 places at once.
As I've said before, if you know what is involved to join a particular company but you dont like it then look at another company to pursue. Again if you know that a company requires a 2, 3 or 4 day interview process, then allow for it when you are getting close to the ball park for an interview.... accumulate annual leave, save your 6% loading for holiday pay from your contract pay or daily rate etc so when the time comes, it's easier to arrange time off with your employer or you're not so financially disadvantaged if you don't work for 4 days or a week.
If they want it, they will come
S2K
PS Hey Luke - hows the scottish castle???