It's Official - Virgin Blue to Get Jungle Jets
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I am aware regional pax are screened on arrival in sydney. However I thought that with aircraft over a certain capacity passengers had to be screened prior to the flight. Theoretically if a 737 was to fly DBO-SYD the pax would need to be screened in DBO where as a Dh8 could have paxed screened in SYD on arrival. Is that not correct?
Can't find anything after a quick look on the DOTARS website.
Can't find anything after a quick look on the DOTARS website.
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ASTA 2004 says what?
Well, I'm no expert but I am pretty sure that the Aviation Transport Security Act 2004 and associated regulations only require passenger screening for "jet air services" which only applies to a portion of the "security-controlled" airports.
All "security-controlled" airports must have at least one trained person to screen passengers in case DOTARS ups the screening requirements.
Therefore, the introduction of a jet air service will require a terminal upgrade (ie a sterile area) and ongoing operational costs associated with the passenger screening.
Thats definitely something for these places to consider.
LF
All "security-controlled" airports must have at least one trained person to screen passengers in case DOTARS ups the screening requirements.
Therefore, the introduction of a jet air service will require a terminal upgrade (ie a sterile area) and ongoing operational costs associated with the passenger screening.
Thats definitely something for these places to consider.
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DJ, the security measures are exactly the same for props as they are for jets. If the outport has no screening, then PAX will have to be screened at the first port that has screening facilities. For VB, that will probably be the capital city. Otherwise it means all get off, go through the screening and re-board.
Or even worse secret them on the plane which does a SYD/MEL/CBR leg for example?
I don't think so.
I don't Joe/Joanne Public will take too kindly that a JET will not have a screening done. It was bad enough out ports like Port Lincoln, Ceduna, even Kangaroo Island with many pax querying lack of security.
I think Ditzy Boy is heading down the right track something to do with capacity, but then again it might be form of propulsion.
Look at ADL at the moment. All REX pax jump in a bus that gets driven to their "terminal". How easy is it to commander a bus, even if its got Keanu Reeves or Sandra Bullock driving it.
I still think that if jets start operating to regional ports (lets call them category 2 ie no full time AFP or full luggage screening) then their is going to be a truckload of infrastructure to be built, manned and eventually paid for by Joe/Joanne Public just so that port can now have jets flying into it.
And I'm not even going start on the tech issues that these planes might need ie all the nav gear, emergency response teams and so on.
I have no doubt that there are more qualified people who will read this and advise exactly what a jet will need going into say Albury or places where VB think they'll pick up 100,000 plus people.
And will the Govt market move across? Not likely if they are entitled to business class.
The Kendell CRJ in flight service was brilliant, the plane was faster and quieter than the 146, Ansett forced some of those routes to Kendell to operate as they were making a huge loss, and the Govt market screamed blue murder due to no biz class. Senior Ansett people even blamed Kendell for this, which goes to show how much these dudes knew what their regional service was offering!
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Wow and I heard that the Crj was the second most expensive aircraft to run in the Ansett fleet according to the administrators ( and as accountants they would have an unbiased opinion) , and that would be why Bombardier have thirty + of them in the desert while Embraer sell everything on the production line. Bombardier are reacting to this by making 1300 workers redundant in Ireland (as you would). Lets send that category D machine to Albury that makes sense and should make us heaps of money. Lets face it the Embraer for Virgin will be used to enchance routes that a 737 should never have been on like Sydney-Mackay and Adelaide-Hobart not take over fully fledged 737 routes as Ansett tried to do. Lets hope they have a better result than Rod.......
So Tommy/Tammy Terrorist will be able to board at an unscreened airport with an arsenal of weapons and have his/her way with the plane?
Or even worse secret them on the plane which does a SYD/MEL/CBR leg for example?
I don't think so.
I don't Joe/Joanne Public will take too kindly that a JET will not have a screening done. It was bad enough out ports like Port Lincoln, Ceduna, even Kangaroo Island with many pax querying lack of security.
I think Ditzy Boy is heading down the right track something to do with capacity, but then again it might be form of propulsion.
Look at ADL at the moment. All REX pax jump in a bus that gets driven to their "terminal". How easy is it to commander a bus, even if its got Keanu Reeves or Sandra Bullock driving it.
I still think that if jets start operating to regional ports (lets call them category 2 ie no full time AFP or full luggage screening) then their is going to be a truckload of infrastructure to be built, manned and eventually paid for by Joe/Joanne Public just so that port can now have jets flying into it......!
Or even worse secret them on the plane which does a SYD/MEL/CBR leg for example?
I don't think so.
I don't Joe/Joanne Public will take too kindly that a JET will not have a screening done. It was bad enough out ports like Port Lincoln, Ceduna, even Kangaroo Island with many pax querying lack of security.
I think Ditzy Boy is heading down the right track something to do with capacity, but then again it might be form of propulsion.
Look at ADL at the moment. All REX pax jump in a bus that gets driven to their "terminal". How easy is it to commander a bus, even if its got Keanu Reeves or Sandra Bullock driving it.
I still think that if jets start operating to regional ports (lets call them category 2 ie no full time AFP or full luggage screening) then their is going to be a truckload of infrastructure to be built, manned and eventually paid for by Joe/Joanne Public just so that port can now have jets flying into it......!
This airport security screening etc is a load of sh.t and everyone knows it but it makes 'important people' feel good & feel they are doing something. Typical political feel good crap that goes on all the time once a politician gets his hand on something that may get some votes.
There are so many holes in the cheese why even raise these issues and encourage some 'prick in high places' to look for more ways to waste our hard earned tax dollars. How many threads has there been on Prune re the stupidity of the current system. DON'T ENCOURAGE THEM, they get enough ideas that look good but ineffective, without our help.
I live in hope that common sense will prevail one day but I guess I will die a dreamer.
Give the passengers in some of these more remote places the chance of a decent service instead of some 'cigar tube' or irish shed that should have been scrapped years ago. (I do realise thay may just about be phased out now but Sydney-Dubbo-Parkes in a Metro recently was not that exciting).
just to clarify, airports with jet services must provide screening of pax as per the regs. turboprops are screening exempt. so any ports who receive the new embraers, under the current regs, will be required to provide screening for all passengers.
I don't believe screening at the next port is a viable option and I doubt DOTARS would allow this to occur in any case, all airports in Oz that receive RPT jet services MUST provide pax screening...
Back to the subject, the new jets do look great, with them and the new IFE being rolled out on the 737 fleet they are certainly going to give QF/JQ something to think about...
I don't believe screening at the next port is a viable option and I doubt DOTARS would allow this to occur in any case, all airports in Oz that receive RPT jet services MUST provide pax screening...
Back to the subject, the new jets do look great, with them and the new IFE being rolled out on the 737 fleet they are certainly going to give QF/JQ something to think about...
Do they have cargo bins underneath?
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I really think that this is the perfect family of aircraft for the population density and distances traveled in Australia. I have only flown as a passenger on the Embraer 170, but it is in no way a regional jet at all. The sophistication of the cockpit and its sheer size would surely prevent it from being classified as such?
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Not to mention the acquisition cost. Only the big airlines like DJ will be able to get the utilisation and economy of scale that such an investment requires. A couple of smaller local players are dreaming if they think thay can make new jungle jets pay. Better for them to look at....the GAS CHAMBER....
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.....so what are they going to "pay" the Capt and F/O to fly these things???
...we all know they are nice pieces of equipment,lets get down to the nitty- titty...PB
...we all know they are nice pieces of equipment,lets get down to the nitty- titty...PB
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PB,
Embraer Captain
July 2007 N/A $112,000
July 2008 3% $115,360
July 2009 3% $118,821
July 2010 3% or >CPI (Max 5%) $122,385
July 2011 3% or >CPI (Max 5%) $126,057
First Officers will be paid the appropriate percentage of a Captain’s annual salary as follows and in accordance with the effective dates of increase given to Captains:
(a) Level 1 - 55%
(b) Level 2 - 60%
(c) Level 3 - 65%
Cheers,
Con
Embraer Captain
July 2007 N/A $112,000
July 2008 3% $115,360
July 2009 3% $118,821
July 2010 3% or >CPI (Max 5%) $122,385
July 2011 3% or >CPI (Max 5%) $126,057
First Officers will be paid the appropriate percentage of a Captain’s annual salary as follows and in accordance with the effective dates of increase given to Captains:
(a) Level 1 - 55%
(b) Level 2 - 60%
(c) Level 3 - 65%
Cheers,
Con
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Contract Con...thanks mate,...actually not a bad pay rate at all...better than I expected...the boys here are being paid less than that,so whomever is negoitating your rates/payscales is doing bloody good job....will have to pass this on as Ive done the AUS/US conversion ...and many will not be happy...especially if its for the 190.....PB