Evil Little Irish man given an award??
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Evil Little Irish man given an award??
Did anyone hear that the devil of the one star airline was given a Kingsford smith memorial, I mean medal or somesuch thing?
Anyone know how a man who has done so little for aviation could be given any recognition of this sort? (If true)
Anyone know how a man who has done so little for aviation could be given any recognition of this sort? (If true)
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That would be the Sir Charles Kingsford Smith Memorial Medal, and it would be because he was the Speaker at the prestigious Sir Charles Kingsford Smith Lecture, held by the Sydney Branch of the Royal Aeronautical Society, last night (27th).
A most interesting talk it was, too.
A most interesting talk it was, too.
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What was he given the award for? Threatening the JPC with base closures and loss of command prospects if they didn't sign the EBA over? Or for being the Southern Hemispheres International Transport airlines most believable spin doctor?
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Not issued to Gallipoli veterans like Smithy. Never a rich man either... he was just a great Australian pilot.
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He doesn't hold the infantry combat badge, so I for one am not interested.
Then again, neither did Kingsford-Smith.
Originally Posted by Redstone
He doesn't hold the infantry combat badge, so I for one am not interested.
Then again, neither did Kingsford-Smith.
I took the time to read his address, I thought it was simply sickening.
To be fair I'd like to hear the corresponding Qantas staff version.
It's no achievement to claim glory when winding the upstart up as you wind the achievements of the parent down!
To be fair I'd like to hear the corresponding Qantas staff version.
It's no achievement to claim glory when winding the upstart up as you wind the achievements of the parent down!
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Don't worry too much fellas, there are chips on plenty of non flying shoulders in the Q too...
He is an irritant, a passing fad..Ask him how well Ryan Air is doing, you know the no frills Irish carrier...Paying their pilots well but with problems in maintenance, training and record keeping, it is lucky he left...Mind you whilst J* has new aircraft paid for by someone else, he can say what he likes. Give it 5 years
The sad thing about him is that the booster seat in his car isn't for a kid
He is an irritant, a passing fad..Ask him how well Ryan Air is doing, you know the no frills Irish carrier...Paying their pilots well but with problems in maintenance, training and record keeping, it is lucky he left...Mind you whilst J* has new aircraft paid for by someone else, he can say what he likes. Give it 5 years
The sad thing about him is that the booster seat in his car isn't for a kid
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I read the address text to the end:
"Our organisation is nimble and will adapt with the consumer as much as we
continue to innovate and explore new markets and flying opportunities."
Somewhat prior to the above quotation, he spoke on the responsibility to shareholders, it took until the last sentence to mention the passengers, and the crew did not get a mention!
It amazes me how AAS (formerly QANTAS) and J* management have convinced themselves that all pax in Australia now want to fly to the back packer standard.
Further, the treatment of aircrew suggests that the top floor sees them as so expendable and as little more than an unfortunate inconvenience which has to be tolerated as part of their operation.
Southern Hemisphere Internation Transportation is indeed alive and well, for those of you who say give it five years, I certainly hope that if it takes that long, there will be something to resurect by then.
In the meantime, I hope the true believers, (aircrew) can keep their sense of humour.
How long will it take for the Great God Shareholder to work out what is going on?
"Our organisation is nimble and will adapt with the consumer as much as we
continue to innovate and explore new markets and flying opportunities."
Somewhat prior to the above quotation, he spoke on the responsibility to shareholders, it took until the last sentence to mention the passengers, and the crew did not get a mention!
It amazes me how AAS (formerly QANTAS) and J* management have convinced themselves that all pax in Australia now want to fly to the back packer standard.
Further, the treatment of aircrew suggests that the top floor sees them as so expendable and as little more than an unfortunate inconvenience which has to be tolerated as part of their operation.
Southern Hemisphere Internation Transportation is indeed alive and well, for those of you who say give it five years, I certainly hope that if it takes that long, there will be something to resurect by then.
In the meantime, I hope the true believers, (aircrew) can keep their sense of humour.
How long will it take for the Great God Shareholder to work out what is going on?
It is not so surprising when you read his background is in mathematics!
I remember reading a quote from where he stated that the success of the company is based on it's costbase.
I think more than a science degree is needed to understand what consumer needs are and how to satisfy them.
For example see;
http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle...airline+survey
I remember reading a quote from where he stated that the success of the company is based on it's costbase.
I think more than a science degree is needed to understand what consumer needs are and how to satisfy them.
For example see;
http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle...airline+survey
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Well if the Royal Aeronautical Society awarded the Sir Charles Kingsford Smith Memorial Medal for that speech I am afraid it leaves the RAeS in a very poor light..... What a pathetic excuse for a 'lecture'.... 
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Well it's going to be interesting if it works anyway, as Simon Calder points out in his book on Low Cost Carriers, when you start flying long haul all the efficiency gains made by a LCC setup are lost. That's why noone has ever done it before. There are some quotes from all the European LCC CEO's saying that they will not be even entertaining the idea of long haul travel. So Joyce here is trully a pioneer. Well with Qantas's money anyway, I might be patting him on the back if he was bankrolling it himelf.
It will be interesting to see how long the whole " long haul no frills" thing last before it starts morphing into Qantas...........or maybe that's the idea
It will be interesting to see how long the whole " long haul no frills" thing last before it starts morphing into Qantas...........or maybe that's the idea
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....morphing into Qantas...........or maybe that's the idea
Yes, that is exactly the idea ! Within 5 years or sooner when the smoke and mirrors accounting has cleared to reveal that the only way J* Dom and Int can sustain low costs is by QANTAS mainline paying the bills. But, when our fearless, medal winning management has rung it's last bonus out of us, they will come up with the idea of putting J* staff into Q Mainline "monkey suits " & force every one in Qantas on to J* style AWA's. Problem solved.
"Hey Dude, were's my bonus " ?!
I could be wrong , so please enlighten me ?!
"Hey Dude, were's my bonus " ?!
I could be wrong , so please enlighten me ?!