Evil Little Irish man given an award??
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Say what you like about what the rise of Jetstar has done to the industry,it really is the only event of any consequence since the fall of Ansett and market entry of Virgin ,before that!
Surely , a recount of this is a valid subject and who would one expect to give such a speech but the head of the operation.Therefore , the medal. And, what's in a medal anyway in a world where you can just about award yourself with a degree and print up a qualification?
Far better than hearing Dixon go on about all and sundry regarding QF . All except the juicy stuff , protectionism political clout , plots against staff,
etc.
Besides, never learned much without listening.
So, listen .You may get some information that may be of assistance.
Surely , a recount of this is a valid subject and who would one expect to give such a speech but the head of the operation.Therefore , the medal. And, what's in a medal anyway in a world where you can just about award yourself with a degree and print up a qualification?
Far better than hearing Dixon go on about all and sundry regarding QF . All except the juicy stuff , protectionism political clout , plots against staff,
etc.Besides, never learned much without listening.
So, listen .You may get some information that may be of assistance.
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Reminds me of a documentary I saw recently on wolves whereby the offspring will kill the parents when vying for food if they pose a threat.
It will be interesting to see how things transpire up north when Jetstar take over the CNS/DRW/SIN route an the end of the month. Passengers will continue to be upset because as long as Qantas persist with QF codeshare flight numbers operated by Jetstar. Pax assume that a QF flight number means QF aircraft, service, f/flyer points etc & are extremely disappointed when they find out it's not.
Many disgruntled (former QF) pax now use Tiger Airways DRW/SIN as a shuttle service and use a Singapore travel agent sourced from Saturday's New Straits Times for package deals ex SIN to their preferred destination. Works out a heck of a lot cheaper than paying for an airfare ex Oz to somewhere. Just ask the Greeks.
After all they're not deserting an Australian product when the (JQ) aircraft they board has a prefix of 9V.
It's no achievement to claim glory when winding the upstart up as you wind the achievements of the parent down!
It will be interesting to see how things transpire up north when Jetstar take over the CNS/DRW/SIN route an the end of the month. Passengers will continue to be upset because as long as Qantas persist with QF codeshare flight numbers operated by Jetstar. Pax assume that a QF flight number means QF aircraft, service, f/flyer points etc & are extremely disappointed when they find out it's not.
Many disgruntled (former QF) pax now use Tiger Airways DRW/SIN as a shuttle service and use a Singapore travel agent sourced from Saturday's New Straits Times for package deals ex SIN to their preferred destination. Works out a heck of a lot cheaper than paying for an airfare ex Oz to somewhere. Just ask the Greeks.
After all they're not deserting an Australian product when the (JQ) aircraft they board has a prefix of 9V.
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Just Like Ga
The big organisations hire "high powered" expensive executives, to get maximum value for the shareholders. But most of them are gone, and have taken huge bonuses with them in a few years, leaving a very sick company that only services the "high revenue" areas, and has some expensive catching up to do.
I remember a Senior flying instructor telling me how he could set up a country flying school, and get lot's of activity going in a short time, and then sell it, knowing he had almost exhausted all the business in the area.
Seems like this sort of thing is happening in big business (ie telecom services, airlines etc) CEO's get wealthy, but they have to be nomads.
And our govts think it's good, and give them subsidies and protection.
JUST LIKE GA
I remember a Senior flying instructor telling me how he could set up a country flying school, and get lot's of activity going in a short time, and then sell it, knowing he had almost exhausted all the business in the area.
Seems like this sort of thing is happening in big business (ie telecom services, airlines etc) CEO's get wealthy, but they have to be nomads.
And our govts think it's good, and give them subsidies and protection.
JUST LIKE GA
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Radiation Junkie,
You are SPOT ON.
Jetstar reports low operating costs largely because it's a parasite on Qantas' equipment and infrastructure.
The smoke and mirrors can't be maintained indefinitely, however it will have been more than enough time for the latest recipient of the Charles Kingsford Smith award to have moved on leaving a whirlwind mess behind.
Giving awards away frivolously like this only cheapens it's value, but then that is what the new airline management ethos is all about - cheapening and value-subtracting.
Can anybody please tell me how making low cost carriers the flavour of the month makes sense when the Australian economy is the best it has ever been, with more people living in expensive houses, driving expensive cars, and spending more money on pet food now than they used to do on them selves?
Surely this cycle in the economy would be better used providing increased standards of product that attract higher yield. I would give an award to the manager who recognises that one :ok
You are SPOT ON.
Jetstar reports low operating costs largely because it's a parasite on Qantas' equipment and infrastructure.
The smoke and mirrors can't be maintained indefinitely, however it will have been more than enough time for the latest recipient of the Charles Kingsford Smith award to have moved on leaving a whirlwind mess behind.
Giving awards away frivolously like this only cheapens it's value, but then that is what the new airline management ethos is all about - cheapening and value-subtracting.
Can anybody please tell me how making low cost carriers the flavour of the month makes sense when the Australian economy is the best it has ever been, with more people living in expensive houses, driving expensive cars, and spending more money on pet food now than they used to do on them selves?
Surely this cycle in the economy would be better used providing increased standards of product that attract higher yield. I would give an award to the manager who recognises that one :ok
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Ah well, 6 A330 guys destined to kick off the long haul flying didn't bother showing up for ground school recently, coupled with that, the A320 training mgr and an offsider quit from mngmt roles lately...correct, the smoke and mirrors can only last a certain time....sounds like the JPC aint that popular now either..the Jetstar empire, like every other empire will crumble at some stage....or until 2008 comes around and they all sign AWA's.
Lets fly Jetstar...........
Lets fly Jetstar...........
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Jetstar is continually spruking about what leadership they can show and how adept they are at turning a profit and how they are the future of aviation.
They remind me of the guy who shows up at a business dinner with the most beautiful girl in the room ( who happens to be a high class hooker ), brandishing her about as his new girlfriend.
Everyone knows it must be bullsh#t but only time will prove that. Same with Jetstar.
Tick tick tick
GUARD
They remind me of the guy who shows up at a business dinner with the most beautiful girl in the room ( who happens to be a high class hooker ), brandishing her about as his new girlfriend.
Everyone knows it must be bullsh#t but only time will prove that. Same with Jetstar.
Tick tick tick
GUARD
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'The larger B787- 9 from 2010 onwards will have the capability for us to fly direct from Australia to west coast North America – which like in Europe, or India and China will be very much complementary to further growth in Qantas international operations.'
My bold.
Yep you've got it.
My bold.
Yep you've got it.
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This has been hinted by others, but the queston is starting to loom large.
With an apparently less than enthusiastic response from expat pilots to crew J* International (and these guys were on AWA's and not the crap deal the JPC "brokered"), where exactly are J* going to get experienced captains to expand their operation from?
Fly the 787 for 160K and T&C's from a Dickensian workhouse? Sorry, don't think so.
The tactic emerging from AIPA to hold on to their current EBA for as long as possible is looking smarter. If Dixon and Joyce were looking to get pilots made redundant from QF to do it, then the current EBA redundancy provisions will make that unviable.
Of course they could use the pilots they have already trained to fly those A330's to do that job, but it seems that no cost linked to the holy grail of muscling unions out of QF is too great to bear. Ideology rules the QF boardroom.
With an apparently less than enthusiastic response from expat pilots to crew J* International (and these guys were on AWA's and not the crap deal the JPC "brokered"), where exactly are J* going to get experienced captains to expand their operation from?
Fly the 787 for 160K and T&C's from a Dickensian workhouse? Sorry, don't think so.
The tactic emerging from AIPA to hold on to their current EBA for as long as possible is looking smarter. If Dixon and Joyce were looking to get pilots made redundant from QF to do it, then the current EBA redundancy provisions will make that unviable.
Of course they could use the pilots they have already trained to fly those A330's to do that job, but it seems that no cost linked to the holy grail of muscling unions out of QF is too great to bear. Ideology rules the QF boardroom.
