Qantas plans next strike at pilots
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I'd personally be quite happy to take a 30% paycut if Geoff and Alan promised to pay my mortgage, kid's private education, private health insurance plus 15% super as per the EK package. Remember all that - apart from super - is currently paid post tax by me and I'd certainly come out ahead on that deal.
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That's the price you pay for living in Oz, fellas.
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That's the price you pay for living in Oz, fellas.
Anyone actually been bothered to contact the Age or better still Media Watch in regard to such inaccuracies been constantly printed in the media. Maybe the pilots unions in this country should also get out there a bit more and put out some press releases with some factual information on them in regard to these issues. Personally fed up with reading highly inaccurate reports in newspapers and magazines when it comes to aviation related issues.
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Neville's suggestion is a good one, DirectAnywhere. Put your funds in your elected representative organisation to good use for your purposes. Maybe, just maybe, the airlines do not control the media as others managed to do in "the past."
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....wait a minute..I am a little bit confused..did not all these lies in the media happen once before? Did not a cry for help go out from those who were being lied about? And was not the answer silence?
And so...it starts again. And this time, some of those who were being lied about before are being lied about again. As I said in a previous thread..when the time comes it will be interesting to see who jumps where.
And so...it starts again. And this time, some of those who were being lied about before are being lied about again. As I said in a previous thread..when the time comes it will be interesting to see who jumps where.
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SOPS, what you say is true but it was also a time where the number of avenues for any balance to emerge was greatly limited.
I often wonder how the course of the dispute would have gone in the age of the Internet. Guess we'll never know.
I often wonder how the course of the dispute would have gone in the age of the Internet. Guess we'll never know.
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Shockwave,
With the decline of pilot's cond's in Aus the way it is, and lots of pilots considering moving offshore, would you mind giving us a break-down of your 200k after tax at EK? ie how much is made up of base pay, overtime, allowances etc?
That would be very helpful in coming to a decision as to whether or not to bail out of here, or to stay put.
Thanks very much.
BB
With the decline of pilot's cond's in Aus the way it is, and lots of pilots considering moving offshore, would you mind giving us a break-down of your 200k after tax at EK? ie how much is made up of base pay, overtime, allowances etc?
That would be very helpful in coming to a decision as to whether or not to bail out of here, or to stay put.
Thanks very much.
BB
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Guys, the reason I refuted the figures stated in the above mentioned news paper story, was that it was specifically being used as an excuse to attack the wages and conditions of the QF pilot group. Therfore the amounts we receive in our banks at the end of the month by our respective companies and the amount of work we do should be the figures to compare not what the company has to pay the government.
Of course EK has no direct Tax so they are much better off than QF.
So if QF want to be on an equal footing with EK they should attack the real difference, The Tax department, not the pilots.
It is very difficult to break down all salary details and allowances into a meaningfull comparison which is why I quoted how much I had been paid over a 12 month period. (lazy) This is not really the thread for it either.
I will try to provide more details for those that are interested via PM if asked.
I would not encourage anyone to leave their jobs from Qf for the money that EK pay. It may be similar or not depending on how you view it, but the company, life in the sand pit and the jobs are quite different. Good and bad from both sides. I am certainly glad I made the change when I did, but after 8 years I feel that returning to Oz would be nice. Or is it that after time you just forget how painful paying tax can be?
Of course EK has no direct Tax so they are much better off than QF.
So if QF want to be on an equal footing with EK they should attack the real difference, The Tax department, not the pilots.
It is very difficult to break down all salary details and allowances into a meaningfull comparison which is why I quoted how much I had been paid over a 12 month period. (lazy) This is not really the thread for it either.
I will try to provide more details for those that are interested via PM if asked.
I would not encourage anyone to leave their jobs from Qf for the money that EK pay. It may be similar or not depending on how you view it, but the company, life in the sand pit and the jobs are quite different. Good and bad from both sides. I am certainly glad I made the change when I did, but after 8 years I feel that returning to Oz would be nice. Or is it that after time you just forget how painful paying tax can be?
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Changed my mind, but please don't disect this info on this thread
Found an easy way to cut and paste, some details have been changed slightly,(just in case some one in the office objects). Not included are educational expences paid direct to the school by Ek. Make of it what you will. I will answer any questions via PM.
Exchange rate-(conservative and rough) 3AED=1 $ AUD
Payments
Appointment Allowan 60,000.00 (TRI, training Capt. allowance)
Appointment Allowan 3,220.81
Appointment Allowan 400.00
Basic Salary 363,600.00
Concessional Travel 565.00
Education Support A 15,460.70
Exchange Rate Prote 26,940.00 (because $oz is much stronger now)
Productivity Pay Ca 40,700.60 (over time)
Profit Share 34,050.00 (thanks Boss! has been up to 10 weeks in past)
Telephone Allowance 540.00
Transport Allowance 9,900.00 (TRI, transport to sim allowance as above)
Transport Allowance 532.26
Utilities Allowance 116,465.00 (now 125,000)if not using company provided
housing. Not enough for rent though.
Total Gross 671,990.34
Deductions
Concessional Travel 15,290.00 (escape coupons)
EK Clinic Dental Ai 25.00
EK Clinic Miscellan 33.00
EK Clinic Over the 819.00 (drugs)
Education Support A 1,780.00 (exra above what EK pays)
Medical Company Ins 1,450.00
Medical Employee In 100.00
Medical Insurance P 2,859.96 (for family)
PF B Account Contri 18,200.25 (like super contribution without the hassel)
Perdiem Expenses De 1,700.14 ?
Telephone Charge Re 5,679.65
Visa Immigration Ch 5,062.00 (for family maid)
Total deductions 53,000.00
Net Pay Amount 619,000.37
Exchange rate-(conservative and rough) 3AED=1 $ AUD
Payments
Appointment Allowan 60,000.00 (TRI, training Capt. allowance)
Appointment Allowan 3,220.81
Appointment Allowan 400.00
Basic Salary 363,600.00
Concessional Travel 565.00
Education Support A 15,460.70
Exchange Rate Prote 26,940.00 (because $oz is much stronger now)
Productivity Pay Ca 40,700.60 (over time)
Profit Share 34,050.00 (thanks Boss! has been up to 10 weeks in past)
Telephone Allowance 540.00
Transport Allowance 9,900.00 (TRI, transport to sim allowance as above)
Transport Allowance 532.26
Utilities Allowance 116,465.00 (now 125,000)if not using company provided
housing. Not enough for rent though.
Total Gross 671,990.34
Deductions
Concessional Travel 15,290.00 (escape coupons)
EK Clinic Dental Ai 25.00
EK Clinic Miscellan 33.00
EK Clinic Over the 819.00 (drugs)
Education Support A 1,780.00 (exra above what EK pays)
Medical Company Ins 1,450.00
Medical Employee In 100.00
Medical Insurance P 2,859.96 (for family)
PF B Account Contri 18,200.25 (like super contribution without the hassel)
Perdiem Expenses De 1,700.14 ?
Telephone Charge Re 5,679.65
Visa Immigration Ch 5,062.00 (for family maid)
Total deductions 53,000.00
Net Pay Amount 619,000.37
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Thanks for making the effort Shockwave, it gives a rough guide of what to expect once you have Command, Training etc.
I guess you just have to weigh it all up, and remember you will have to start from the bottom all over again.
I guess you just have to weigh it all up, and remember you will have to start from the bottom all over again.
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Or is it that after time you just forget how painful paying tax can be?
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Very true, ShockWave. After not paying Aus tax for 9 years, it hurts!
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Very true, ShockWave. After not paying Aus tax for 9 years, it hurts!
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EK Extra's
Employee Insurance Benefits
Insurance benefits for the employee include Loss of Licence Insurance (36 x basic monthly salary) and both Life Assurance and Accident Insurance (48x basic monthly salary).
source
http://www.emiratesgroupcareers.com/...w/packages.asp
Insurance benefits for the employee include Loss of Licence Insurance (36 x basic monthly salary) and both Life Assurance and Accident Insurance (48x basic monthly salary).
source
http://www.emiratesgroupcareers.com/...w/packages.asp
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Assuming you have access to a traditionally paying command at Qantas, shockwave is probably right about not leaving QF.
However unless you already have a command at QF or are very close to, chances are that you probably won't be getting a command on traditional QF captains pay and conditions.
So 30 years in the QF 'group' = 10-15 years elsewhere (in the sandpit).
Thats what I think.
However unless you already have a command at QF or are very close to, chances are that you probably won't be getting a command on traditional QF captains pay and conditions.
So 30 years in the QF 'group' = 10-15 years elsewhere (in the sandpit).
Thats what I think.
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Anyone actually been bothered to contact the Age or better still Media Watch in regard to such inaccuracies been constantly printed in the media. Maybe the pilots unions in this country should also get out there a bit more and put out some press releases with some factual information on them in regard to these issues. Personally fed up with reading highly inaccurate reports in newspapers and magazines when it comes to aviation related issues.
You airline drivers need to realise that all your bitching and whinging is heard by no one on this forum. You need to push to have the facts stated in a forum that the public will actually read.
It seems 89 has scared you all into submission, and I am guessing you are just going to cop the salary cuts, and the only thing the public will know about it is if they accidentally stumble on this website!
Start sticking up for yourselves
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