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Qantas is shrinking again
Qantas Group Services to Townsville
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Sydney, 06 September 2006
The Qantas Group today announced that Jetstar would replace Qantas mainline operations between Sydney and Townsville from 29 October 2006.
Qantas Executive General Manager John Borghetti said the Group currently offered three Qantas B737 flights and three Jetstar A320 flights each week on the route.
He said that from 29 October, Jetstar would operate a total of five 177-seat A320 services a week for the Qantas Group.
Mr Borghetti said the move to all-Jetstar services between Sydney and Townsville was in line with the Qantas Group's two-brand strategy.
"Sydney-Townsville is predominantly a leisure route, so Jetstar is the most appropriate carrier for these services," Mr Borghetti said.
He said that with 112 return flights a week into Townsville, the Qantas Group was by far the biggest operator in the market.
"Qantas will maintain its 34 return services a week between Brisbane and Townsville, with QantasLink continuing to operate its current schedule of services between Townsville and Cairns, Mackay, Rockhampton and Gladstone."
Mr Borghetti said that from 29 October, the Qantas Group weekly schedule would offer:
* 54 return Brisbane-Townsville services, including 34 operated by Qantas, seven Jetstar services, and 13 operated by QantasLink;
* five return Sydney-Townsville Jetstar services;
* three return Melbourne-Townsville Jetstar services;
* 33 return Cairns-Townsville QantasLink services;
* 17 return Mackay-Townsville QantasLink services, including 14 that extend through to Rockhampton and Gladstone.
Jetstar will offer assigned seating on all of its Townsville services and will be supporting its additional new Sydney flights with low promotional fares, Mr Borghetti said.
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Sydney, 06 September 2006
The Qantas Group today announced that Jetstar would replace Qantas mainline operations between Sydney and Townsville from 29 October 2006.
Qantas Executive General Manager John Borghetti said the Group currently offered three Qantas B737 flights and three Jetstar A320 flights each week on the route.
He said that from 29 October, Jetstar would operate a total of five 177-seat A320 services a week for the Qantas Group.
Mr Borghetti said the move to all-Jetstar services between Sydney and Townsville was in line with the Qantas Group's two-brand strategy.
"Sydney-Townsville is predominantly a leisure route, so Jetstar is the most appropriate carrier for these services," Mr Borghetti said.
He said that with 112 return flights a week into Townsville, the Qantas Group was by far the biggest operator in the market.
"Qantas will maintain its 34 return services a week between Brisbane and Townsville, with QantasLink continuing to operate its current schedule of services between Townsville and Cairns, Mackay, Rockhampton and Gladstone."
Mr Borghetti said that from 29 October, the Qantas Group weekly schedule would offer:
* 54 return Brisbane-Townsville services, including 34 operated by Qantas, seven Jetstar services, and 13 operated by QantasLink;
* five return Sydney-Townsville Jetstar services;
* three return Melbourne-Townsville Jetstar services;
* 33 return Cairns-Townsville QantasLink services;
* 17 return Mackay-Townsville QantasLink services, including 14 that extend through to Rockhampton and Gladstone.
Jetstar will offer assigned seating on all of its Townsville services and will be supporting its additional new Sydney flights with low promotional fares, Mr Borghetti said.
I have to say that it is very difficult to understand why AIPA and the FAAA sit around contemplating their navels while piracy/theft like this goes unckecked. It really won't be long before Qantas flies just a few city pairs, worldwide. After all, 90% plus of punters travel for leisure which is Jetstars part of the business under Borghetti's formula. Like, 80% or so of LAX punters are flying for leisure. Give Jet* 80% of the flights with Qantas retaining 20%. Is this the real agenda?
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The argument is global. Indeed it is globalisation.
This is what all those 'tree-hugging' greenies were protesting about at the WTO meetings all those years ago when you sniffed at their dreadlocks over your lattes.
But now it is starting to bite your employment.
The US was always the driver behind the WTO and globalisation - while at the same time hypocritically sitting behind their own trade tarrifs.
John Howard and his band of thiefs have embraced it completely - note the number of Temp Work Visa being issued.
Want to change it? Start by changing the Government. I am not advocating voting for Labor - but a change at the helm is the only way for the ship to change direction - so they would have to be a better option for at least one term just to send the message that we the masses are not happy John.
Otherwise, in a few years we will be fondly looking back a the days when Jetstar actually had some Australian based Crews and Maintenance, before it all went to China, India and Thailand.
This is what all those 'tree-hugging' greenies were protesting about at the WTO meetings all those years ago when you sniffed at their dreadlocks over your lattes.
But now it is starting to bite your employment.
The US was always the driver behind the WTO and globalisation - while at the same time hypocritically sitting behind their own trade tarrifs.
John Howard and his band of thiefs have embraced it completely - note the number of Temp Work Visa being issued.
Want to change it? Start by changing the Government. I am not advocating voting for Labor - but a change at the helm is the only way for the ship to change direction - so they would have to be a better option for at least one term just to send the message that we the masses are not happy John.
Otherwise, in a few years we will be fondly looking back a the days when Jetstar actually had some Australian based Crews and Maintenance, before it all went to China, India and Thailand.
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Oh dear, someones fast doing himself out of a job along with tens of thousands of others.
Time to earn that bonus and "GROW QANTAS".
Else let someone else do it.
Defence of what J* is doing to mainline (ie canabilising if you can't work it out) is outrageous, lackey!
Don't forget the company mantra "separate businesses". Unfortunately the upstart is finding the best competitor is big brother. Easier to "take" a market than develop its own.
Rather a lot of nails in the "Qantas" coffin.
Time to earn that bonus and "GROW QANTAS".
Else let someone else do it.
Defence of what J* is doing to mainline (ie canabilising if you can't work it out) is outrageous, lackey!
Don't forget the company mantra "separate businesses". Unfortunately the upstart is finding the best competitor is big brother. Easier to "take" a market than develop its own.
Rather a lot of nails in the "Qantas" coffin.
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People - please, before you start, don't turn this thread into a Jetstar bashing exercise.
The good people at the Jetstar coal face aren't to blame for what is going on as they are simply taking opportunities that are being ceated. You can't blame them for wanting to better themselves! In my view, the real culprits are the heavies at Qantas and AIPA/FAAA leadership (if you can call it that) who have allowed Qantas to carry unsustainable industrial baggage for so long that it's now intolerable.
The good people at the Jetstar coal face aren't to blame for what is going on as they are simply taking opportunities that are being ceated. You can't blame them for wanting to better themselves! In my view, the real culprits are the heavies at Qantas and AIPA/FAAA leadership (if you can call it that) who have allowed Qantas to carry unsustainable industrial baggage for so long that it's now intolerable.
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"AIPA and FAAA.....who have allowed Qantas to carry unsustainable industrial baggage for so long that it's now intolerable."
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And of course the conditions for staff at jetscar are entirely tolerable............ mr dixon.
"AIPA and FAAA.....who have allowed Qantas to carry unsustainable industrial baggage for so long that it's now intolerable."
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And of course the conditions for staff at jetscar are entirely tolerable............ mr dixon.
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Transmission of business, as I understand it, only now occurs when Company A starts up Company B and forces employees of Company A to work for Company B. This is a result of the Workchoices (barf) legislation.
You can rail against AIPA or the FAAA all you wish but that is the current law of the land.
You can rail against AIPA or the FAAA all you wish but that is the current law of the land.
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It is all very well for AIPA and FAAA members to rail against Qantas and Jetstar but were they realistic, a win/win situation could have been the outsome. They have only themselves to blame.
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B A Lert,
You do not know what you are talking about. Competitive Tender?
AIPA (mainline) had NO opportunity to even begin such a process. They were completely shut out of all J* negotiations, domestic and International. This was despite the considerable cooperation that the company and AIPA had enjoyed during the past.
Industrial muscle of AIPA? Now you are really kidding. There is none and never was any (since '69 or whenever). They have never been militant.
A win/win is exactly what AIPA wanted. Unfortunately the company does not subscribe to such a view, they prefer war/war.
You do not know what you are talking about. Competitive Tender?
AIPA (mainline) had NO opportunity to even begin such a process. They were completely shut out of all J* negotiations, domestic and International. This was despite the considerable cooperation that the company and AIPA had enjoyed during the past.
Industrial muscle of AIPA? Now you are really kidding. There is none and never was any (since '69 or whenever). They have never been militant.
A win/win is exactly what AIPA wanted. Unfortunately the company does not subscribe to such a view, they prefer war/war.
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Persona non gratis- BLA LERTY
Why don't you find some other place to share your "gems of wisdom" BLERTY.
You have no credibility in this Forum.!
Stick to the Womens Weekly or New Idea forums...............they would love your intellectual rigour.
By the way hows your mate Kevin going in HR?????
Which is the next area to get the chop?
I can't wait for your next enthralling piece of "insight".
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You have no credibility in this Forum.!
Stick to the Womens Weekly or New Idea forums...............they would love your intellectual rigour.
By the way hows your mate Kevin going in HR?????
Which is the next area to get the chop?
I can't wait for your next enthralling piece of "insight".
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While I don't agree with most of BA Lerty's posts, the airports did have a hard time years ago with competitive tendering. They are still having a hard time as management doesn't seem to like long term staff and are doing what they can to make them leave. Whether this be with a redundancy or just leave.
I don't know what the Pilots and F/A's can do about it now as the rug seems to have been pulled from under them. The F/A's have BKK, AKL and LHR bases which are supposedly cheaper than Oz and the Pilots have Jetstar and Jetconnect to contend with.
One thing those of us left at QF can do is get involved with your union as there seems to be a willingness these days for all the unions to talk strategy amongst each other.
I don't know what the Pilots and F/A's can do about it now as the rug seems to have been pulled from under them. The F/A's have BKK, AKL and LHR bases which are supposedly cheaper than Oz and the Pilots have Jetstar and Jetconnect to contend with.
One thing those of us left at QF can do is get involved with your union as there seems to be a willingness these days for all the unions to talk strategy amongst each other.
B A Lert is a stirrer of the highest order and does bloody well at it. In his/her first post:
In a later post:
So he/she wants AIPA/FAAA to do something about this "piracy" while not carrying any "industrial baggage". As far as I'm concerned the two are mutually exclusive.
Try the "ignore" button.
it is very difficult to understand why AIPA and the FAAA sit around contemplating their navels while piracy/theft like this goes unckecked
In my view, the real culprits are the heavies at Qantas and AIPA/FAAA leadership (if you can call it that) who have allowed Qantas to carry unsustainable industrial baggage for so long that it's now intolerable.
Try the "ignore" button.
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Apologies if some see this as major thread creep, but is there anyone out there who can tell me whether a ZED ticket (Zonal Employee Discount) is acceptable on Jetstar services, as it is with QF, for employees of other airlines?
Somehow I fear I know the answer already.
Somehow I fear I know the answer already.
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Quote from BA "People - please, before you start, don't turn this thread into a Jetstar bashing exercise"...BA should have added because this is to be a tech and cabin crew bashing exercise instead....Whenever BA is not at the club playing Bingo he makes posts like this one
There are a number of factors which we can attribute to the slow Death by Darth of Qantas…. (Sounds like a Shakespearean play)
The first is Darth himself and his never ending quest to create a shell out of a successful and profitable Australian icon.
The second is the number of applicants falling over themselves for a job in which the pay and conditions are more third world than those enjoyed by most workers in Australia including the corporate sector who are doing very nicely for themselves thank you very much.
Next are the existing J* tech crew who blinked first when playing chicken with Darth and voted to accept an EBA which effectively devalued virtually every other aviation job in Australia.
The new IR laws are also involved here and with out doubt create an environment that enables Darth and other employers to create a new social class in our country. Last nights story about the meat industry on the ABC shows that the airline industry is not the only one at risk.
Lastly there is the silence from the unions representing QF who are would appear to be concerned that if they speak up then they and their members will incur the wrath of Darth.He certainly would appear to have succeeded in scaring the daylights out of our union leaders.
However, you would think by BA’s post that AIPA and FAAA are the only unions representing QF’s workers but that is BA’s jealousy of tech and cabin crew showing its ugly face yet again.
BA has never told us which part of QF he works in but continues to slam it’s flight crew ad nauseum.
It will take all of the unions who represent QF’s workers to act in unison if we are to have any chance of stopping Darth and his apprentices from gutting Qantas.
Certainly voting out the incumbent government or perhaps contacting your local coalition member and telling them that unless something is done they will become the opposition at the next election might help.
However, can the Labor party gain control of the senate so it can change the IR laws?
There are a number of factors which we can attribute to the slow Death by Darth of Qantas…. (Sounds like a Shakespearean play)
The first is Darth himself and his never ending quest to create a shell out of a successful and profitable Australian icon.
The second is the number of applicants falling over themselves for a job in which the pay and conditions are more third world than those enjoyed by most workers in Australia including the corporate sector who are doing very nicely for themselves thank you very much.
Next are the existing J* tech crew who blinked first when playing chicken with Darth and voted to accept an EBA which effectively devalued virtually every other aviation job in Australia.
The new IR laws are also involved here and with out doubt create an environment that enables Darth and other employers to create a new social class in our country. Last nights story about the meat industry on the ABC shows that the airline industry is not the only one at risk.
Lastly there is the silence from the unions representing QF who are would appear to be concerned that if they speak up then they and their members will incur the wrath of Darth.He certainly would appear to have succeeded in scaring the daylights out of our union leaders.
However, you would think by BA’s post that AIPA and FAAA are the only unions representing QF’s workers but that is BA’s jealousy of tech and cabin crew showing its ugly face yet again.
BA has never told us which part of QF he works in but continues to slam it’s flight crew ad nauseum.
It will take all of the unions who represent QF’s workers to act in unison if we are to have any chance of stopping Darth and his apprentices from gutting Qantas.
Certainly voting out the incumbent government or perhaps contacting your local coalition member and telling them that unless something is done they will become the opposition at the next election might help.
However, can the Labor party gain control of the senate so it can change the IR laws?
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Combined QF Unions
For those of who are unaware of what ALL QF unions are doing you may wish to visit:
www.qantasunions.com.au
There is a "united front" and it isnt a weather report
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