Now pilots = school principals
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Bosses are often getting LESS money than you. DOn't you realise it is an industry where profit margins are LOW and that it is difficult dealing with all the uncontrollable costs (CASA, AIrports, Airservices, Fuel). If you don't like it where you are LEAVE. It just brings everyone else down if you stay.
If you feel UNDERVALUED -MAKE YOURSELF VALUABLE instead of winging. Winging people are not valued. People who are proactively fixing problems are. You have more control over your desiny than you think!
If you feel UNDERVALUED -MAKE YOURSELF VALUABLE instead of winging. Winging people are not valued. People who are proactively fixing problems are. You have more control over your desiny than you think!
If any boss is working for wages GA pilots get, he's in the wrong game. He should get a job in KMART instead because they pay better than alot of pilots are making.
I know what I should do, work for less so he can stay in business and just be grateful I have a job. That way things will eventually improve
I know what I should do, work for less so he can stay in business and just be grateful I have a job. That way things will eventually improve
I don't see them having to draft people for pilot training even in wartime like the walking army have to. Ever hear of anyone called up and forced to become a pilot. Return of service obligations laid down in writing, no secret
How many RAAF pilots working second jobs to pay for their next endorsement ?
How many RAAF pilots working second jobs to pay for their next endorsement ?
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Well if it's such a great deal, why you didn't do it?
There is only ever two reasons why not:
1. Applied and got knocked back; OR,
2. Didn't want to do it because the "price" (ROSO, military lifestyle) was too high.
There is a price for everything. Military pilots pay it along with everyone else.
There is only ever two reasons why not:
1. Applied and got knocked back; OR,
2. Didn't want to do it because the "price" (ROSO, military lifestyle) was too high.
There is a price for everything. Military pilots pay it along with everyone else.
All RAAF Pilots have second jobs. Although they are generally called secondary duties, which can consist of numerous concurrent jobs - mostly unrelated to aviation.
Then there's the desk jobs....
It's not a free aviation career - the boys and girls work very hard for it.
Then there's the desk jobs....
It's not a free aviation career - the boys and girls work very hard for it.
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Originally Posted by Howard Hughes
I don't know why you all have this incessant need to compare our industry with others, it is an extremely unique industry.....
Now there's an idea. Why hasn't anyone thought of that before?
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Originally Posted by Danger Mouse
Bosses are often getting LESS money than you.
I wouldn't mind earning 1/2 as much as the guy I flew C210 for. He has a nice big house overlooking the water and has got around in a newish Porsche for at least 15 years.
I wouldn't mind earning 1/2 as much as the guy I flew Metros for. He has a nice big house overlooking some other patch of water and a thumping great yacht parked out the front if he feels like finding out what is over the horizon.
DM, you gotta stop believing everyone else's hard luck stories.
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Originally Posted by ITCZ
You mean, our job is Sui Generis?
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People are out most precious resource
Who gives a rats if ADF pilots don't pay for endoresements, who gives a rats if they have secondary duties.
I would have at a guess that ACM Houston and even the previous CDF, now QF boardmember, General Cosgrove, have (had) respect for their people.
Do our Chiefs, Dixon and the gnome, have respect for their people? It is resounding NO.
An undersized gnome compared us to School Principals. School Principals are good people, thanks Al Earlier this year he said that he wasn't worried about burning pilots out, 'cause there are plently more out there. Gee Al, that not nice. Wasting people, there have been court cases to deal with that sort of behaviour.
(I understand the recent staff survey was so bad that Dixon won't even show it to GGM's!! The 9th floor is dead scared that it will leak and the public will find out that Geoff's image as master CEO is all spin doctoring. The survey result was disgraceful and puts Qantas at the bottom the barrel when compared to other Australian companies. Media and Analysts, why don't you ask about that?)
IMHO neither Dixon nor the gnome are suitable persons to hold positions under the CAR's.
Sadly, it will take a Monarch or Seaview to reveal what we all know. If only CASA and/or the ATSB were proactive. Instead we will have to wait to read -
Safety recomendation R#####
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau recommends that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority review the suitability of persons holding positions under Section 28 of the Civil Aviation Act 1988, Regulations and Orders.
Who gives a rats if ADF pilots don't pay for endoresements, who gives a rats if they have secondary duties.
I would have at a guess that ACM Houston and even the previous CDF, now QF boardmember, General Cosgrove, have (had) respect for their people.
Do our Chiefs, Dixon and the gnome, have respect for their people? It is resounding NO.
An undersized gnome compared us to School Principals. School Principals are good people, thanks Al Earlier this year he said that he wasn't worried about burning pilots out, 'cause there are plently more out there. Gee Al, that not nice. Wasting people, there have been court cases to deal with that sort of behaviour.
(I understand the recent staff survey was so bad that Dixon won't even show it to GGM's!! The 9th floor is dead scared that it will leak and the public will find out that Geoff's image as master CEO is all spin doctoring. The survey result was disgraceful and puts Qantas at the bottom the barrel when compared to other Australian companies. Media and Analysts, why don't you ask about that?)
IMHO neither Dixon nor the gnome are suitable persons to hold positions under the CAR's.
Sadly, it will take a Monarch or Seaview to reveal what we all know. If only CASA and/or the ATSB were proactive. Instead we will have to wait to read -
Safety recomendation R#####
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau recommends that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority review the suitability of persons holding positions under Section 28 of the Civil Aviation Act 1988, Regulations and Orders.
Let us look at this the other way around. You are a school principal and have been compared to a pilot. You decide to do some on line research and whilst doing so you find this forum. You see the standard of spelling and grammar used by many of the posters and decide that whoever made the comparison has done you a grave injustice.
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Originally Posted by Elroy Jettson
Sorry to drag you all back to the topic, does any one know what a private school headmaster earns? 
http://www.educationworld.net/salaries_aus.html
As much as a Qantas SO?
Nunc est bibendum
Originally Posted by mingalababya
As much as a Qantas SO?
Again though this shouldn't be about how much a principal is or isn't paid. I've seen the work load first hand and I've seen the stress, the angst, the out of hours work and even the physical assault that comes with school administration. They are woefully underpaid. Whether what they do earn should be compared with pilots is a nonsense however I keep going back to the issues my family articulate. Whilst they reckon they deserve more (
); they reckon I'm not paid nearly enough for the back of clock flying, jet lag, feeling like crap, missing birthdays, anniversaries, Christmas, stuff that crew go through on a daily basis.
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Originally Posted by Keg
They reckon I'm not paid nearly enough for the back of clock flying, jet lag, feeling like crap, missing birthdays, anniversaries, Christmas, stuff that crew go through on a daily basis.
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For the 10th anniversary of my meeting Mrs C, I'll have the pleasure of an EPs intructor, playing make-believe in a airyplane, after it's finished flying for the day.
This xmas I'll be working my 4th xmas in a row.
Howard, I'd agree with Keg. It's a fact of the job but not too many of us take the job so we can miss the important family functions.
This xmas I'll be working my 4th xmas in a row.
Howard, I'd agree with Keg. It's a fact of the job but not too many of us take the job so we can miss the important family functions.