Jetstar Pilots paid 400K per year!!!

[The_Cutest_of_Borg]

Read between the lines people! Rod Meyer of the Age says so!

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...407956221.html

I love this quote: Qantas plans to grow Jetstar International strongly at the expense of some of its underperforming international operations.

What ? This is the same Jetstar that yesterday reported a whopping 11m dollar profit from its 23 aeroplanes? Which part of the Qantas group is really underperforming here?

[puff]

Interesting to see where he got that information...QF perhaps. QF realise that the pilots will get no sympathy from the public about their wages if they 'think' they are earning 400-500k a year! Truth is the first casualty of a war!

Union is going to find it hard to get as much air time from the media as what QF can get, esp with one person on the board!!!!

[The_Cutest_of_Borg]

Yes, you would almost think that QF is in dispute with its pilots already with some of the propaganda starting to be put out. Get used to it guys. If it is not crystal clear what the agenda is then maybe this will spell it out.

- Dixon has rejected combining the SH and LH awards which would have putatively offered efficiencies of 30%. Why would any CEO knock that back unless he had other plans?

- Dixon has refused to rule out AWA's on the A380. Now with the first Captain and FO slots already published and allocated, standby for new hire S/O's to be employed under AWA's which will strip away many of the LH award protections, and in all probability, pay a lot less than 744 S/O's. So much for the great career path many GA people are hoping for.

- Then we have the 787. It doesn't make any sense to have some 767/747/A330 pilots on an AWA and some not. The costs of trying to keep track of every pilots different contract provisions would nullify much of the savings. However when the 787 arrives (and these IR laws are still in place) we can see that your slot on the 787 will be predicated on your percieved "flexibility" to the Company's whim's. In other words, "Here is the 787 AWA, take it or leave it if you want to fly this aeroplane. We are starting at the JPC's wonderful offer of 160k for a Command."

So much for the profession. "What was the name of that trucking school Mav, Truckmaster wasn't it?"

[VH-Cheer Up]

Oooh, got to love a thread that has the word "putatively" in it!

Isn't this all shades of, errm.. that year whose number shall not be named... When a certain PM and an airline CEO conspired to disenfranchise a certain group of workers of any public sympathy?

Conspiracy theory, anyone?

BTW - are top QF Drivers really getting $500k?

[Dropt McGutz]

No. Almost half that.

[DutchRoll]

Originally Posted by VH-Cheer Up

BTW - are top QF Drivers really getting $500k?

Bwahahahahahahaha!! I wish! There is not a line (note use of bold type) pilot who ever has or ever will make that kind of money in QF mainline. If they are making that, a lot of it is coming from their business on the side! (now that I could possibly believe, as there are some who are 'independently wealthy' who just also happen to be Qantas pilots)

[esreverlluf]

Then, in the same lovely piece of journalism;

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...407956221.html

It would seem to imply that Jetstar flight attendants can expect to earn $270,000 - $350,000.

I think I'll hand in my ATPL and become a safety professional and blanket salesperson.

[Capn Bloggs]

blanket salesperson

Surely you don't have to pay for blankets on JQ?!

[SOPS]

Qantas pilots get $500.000 a year? I doubt it. But the public WILL believe it!!

And if the QF drivers dont realise it....the first shot in the battle has just been fired.

I will watch this with interest. When the "big guns" start to shoot, it will be very interesting to see who jumps where.

[jack red]

Only one way to stop this rot.............take on Dixon and his mates like the domestic pilots did to Abeles and Co. in 1989. My bet is Dixon wouldn't risk the financial disaster to Qantas and the pilots may just have the advantage.

Of course you would have to have the balls to try them on and I don't believe AIPA have them. It's easier to sit back and blame JetStar pilots for the demise of conditions.

[VH-Cheer Up]

Originally Posted by jack red

Only one way to stop this rot.............take on Dixon and his mates like the domestic pilots did to Abeles and Co. in 1989.

Ah, yes... Fabulous idea.

But please remind me, how did that end again?

[VH-Cheer Up]

Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs

Surely you don't have to pay for blankets on JQ?!

"Not only that, but in the event of a decompression, attendants will be moving through the cabin selling "O2-Vend" masks you can plug into our overhead dispenser system. Along with one-size-fits-all, artisan created, "I thought I was gonna die, but instead I survived the terror-flight from hell" t-shirts. Have a nice flight."

[cunninglinguist]

Am I wrong or did the AIPA basically tell the impulse guys to originally....................who's laughin' now

[Aussie]

What a crock of BS!!!

QF pilots on upto 500K!!! Yeah right!


Aussie

[Casper]

Ah, yes... Fabulous idea.

But please remind me, how did that end again?
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It ended with the sad situation that pilots in Oz do not have any one union representing them. The AFAP lost the fight with support from 80% of the membership. Be very careful, AIPA, although it will not matter in the long term anyway.

[DutchRoll]

This is going to be a real problem. It's an unfortunate fact of life that the average Joe will uncritically believe literally anything they read in the paper or hear on the news that fits with their perception of reality or which sounds good, whether or not it's complete crap.

I can't even express enough contempt for the journos who report it without bothering to crosscheck it. But that's life. We know they tend to do that.

Time for some concerted PR efforts from our side.

[hotnhigh]

Great work cunninglist. I'd be laughing as well, with all the protections that the JPC agreement provides.

[Ron & Edna Johns]

Actually, cunninglinguist, it was the then AIPA President, now QF Chief Pilot, who told Impulse blokes to originally. Most of us always wanted them onside, and still do....

[Ultralights]

Stop the rot? there is nothing left but rot! I remember approx 6 yrs ago, when the engineers went on their marches around the terminal, and on their series of rolling strikes, asking for support from their fellow employees, namly flight and cabin crew, all the engineers got was, nahh, we are alright thanks jack. wont happen to us kind of response.
as much as i despise QF management and execs, but i have to admit, they Won way back in 2000 when ALL QF staff refused to unite and help prevent the enginnering departments being forced into wage freezes.

IMO now, you have NO chance of winning..... and NO chance of stopping whatever Dixon and his henchmen desire to do to your employment conditions.....

I know what some will say. Unions this and unions that, you should have been telling the unions what to do, not letting them tell you what to do...

As said previously, the first shot in the PR has been fired, and its a direct hit... so spread those cheeks just a little wider and accept the inevitable.

as far as Joe public are concerned, even at $50K PA, you will still be considered an overpaid Bus driver, they dont care about the quality of the maintainence, or the skills of the flight crew if it means they can save $1.50 on their ticket.

[Sonny Hammond]

s far as Joe public are concerned, even at $50K PA, you will still be considered an overpaid Bus driver, they dont care about the quality of the maintainence, or the skills of the flight crew if it means they can save $1.50 on their ticket.

Until a plane crashes with 150 or so down the back. Then we'll see what the travelling public care about.

Crash a bus at cruise speed, pretty bad, a few deaths.

Crash a plane a landing speed, pretty bad, most dead.

How many on a bus?