Jetstar pilots will have time to reflect

[Ejector]

To our dear Jetstar drivers,

It must be getting very exciting for you now.

Wont be long till you will be laying over in different international ports. Can you do me a favor, and after you have a beer with other 330 drivers and you "compare" your net incomes, and you realize what the majority of you voted for, I ask you to write a poem and express your feelings and then post it here. You are aloud to make direct reference to anal lube of many brands.

C'mon, tell us how it really feels.

[Pass-A-Frozo]

1> What salary are you currently on Ejector?

2> What makes you think you can dictate what others should be happy to work with?

3> Are just telling people to not accept jobs earning a salary less than yours because you are worried about your salary?

What do you say to people if they didn't take the Jetstar job (because you were unhappy with what they would be paid) and are still earning a GA wage? Should they have a beer and think "I'm glad Ejector is happy... and I don't have thousands of dollars more in my pay cheque each week".

Such a selfish post.. telling people what they should work for.. tut tut tut
What's next? Abusing people who buy a house you want and pay more than you would?? Shame on them driving up the price of houses.

[Ejector]

Fact is that the majority voted to be paid below the intl standard for a wide body F/O. I dare say that the majority of Jetstar drivers would be above the intl standard in standards and ability. I can only presume that the majority of them don’t relies this or they wouldn’t of voted them selves down like a subservient dog. I am just saying, that in my opinion that it would be nice to get their feelings when they relies this. It may be a way of therapy for them and a way of saying sorry to those who have a desire of working for intl conditions while living in Australia. I think it is short term selfishness for very short term personal gain for those that voted to lower the Australian standard, so go tar tar the undercutting folks. Shame on them. Frozo, I am talking about degraded Terms and Conditions, not real estate.

[fatbus]

Is there a document that states the standard for international wide body f/o wages , if so could you give a ref. Thanks

[Pass-A-Frozo]

I'd like to ask again..

1> What salary are you currently on Ejector?

That way everyone can critique your salary, and find what airlines pay more than what you are working on. I can only assume you are working at the highest paid airline in the world. Let's see who you are undercutting.

[B A Lert]

Originally Posted by Pass-A-Frozo

I'd like to ask again..
1> What salary are you currently on Ejector?
....

If Ejector's salary is as good as his spelling, it's not that bloody good! Why should he be worrying?

[Ejector]

Hi fatbus,

Most J* F/O are experenced pilots, not a 200hr cadet, and most have very good upgrade skills. And happliy vote for about $33,000usd net a year, living in a capital city in Australia. Don't tell me that is average.
Then for new staff, got to do the pre job training donation and pay that off, but don't worry,,,,,,it's a tax right off

There is no point defending this vote for a lower standard of life, it has happend.

This group will be the first to complain when they understand what they have done.

[Pass-A-Frozo]

So what's your salary?

Actually, weren't you a Loadmaster on C130's?? What's your agenda here? I don't get it. Did you do a CPL or Cadet scheme in Asia??

So what's your salary?

[Gromit by Name]

Originally Posted by Ejector

don't relies this

Originally Posted by Ejector

voted them selves down

Originally Posted by Ejector

when they relies this.

I am yet to see an International Standard for A330 salaries so too would be interested in the basis for your slanderous argument. There is however a standard for English.

Your attempt at what is a complex industrial relations argument is shattered by your apparent inability to deal with what one could consider a fundamental core skill of our profession - spelling.

[B A Lert]

I just realised that Ejector doesn't receive a salary as he has been.....renumerated!! Sorry.

To nitpick, most pilots do not receive a salary unless thay have agreed to work for a fixed amount of dollars (or whatever currency) a year.

[Pass-A-Frozo]

Did I miss a renumerated / remunerated joke here??

Let's not be too unkind. English may not be his first language. Let's play the issue...

[UNOME]

Worldwide; A330 Captains average USD11,500 gross per month.

The only "complex" word Ejector managed to "eject" correctly was subservient....

[Ejector]

Sure, I fly a B58 in GA for approx $40,000. Does it suck. It sure does when you compare to how much I have invested into this job compared to what my non aviation friends make. I don’t think I am under cutting other B58 pilots out there, I have never paid for an endorsement nor worked as a pilot for free or below industry standard like many who work for free to get hours. When I chose to be a pilot, I knew there would be some tight years to get hours before moving onto jobs that would be rewarded financially. To have a bunch of people come along and down grade this future goal and shattered to such a pathetic level by comparison, well, I have every reason to be some what annoyed. So, if you want to compare a B58 to be some sort of scum, well so be it Froza. Chances are you think it’s fine for GA folks to work for free.

[Keg]

Geez, you know the discussion is going well when the usual suspects revert to targeting spelling and utilsing the 'I know you are but what am I' style of response.

It matters zilch what pay ejector is on, I suspect his point is more that a bunch of silly Aussie pilots agreed to fly an aircraft type for a ****e load less than a bunch of other Aussie pilots had previously negotiated. The reasons for this vary from the 'get stuffed QF pilot' brigade through to the 'at least it's better than what I'm on now' brigade. That was and is short sighted given the struggle around the world to find pilots.

If they'd joined forces instead of trying to go it alone perhaps they could have got a better deal!

Someone want to play the man and pick my typo(s) or are we in fact going to actually discuss this on the merits?

What's your salary PAF? That's got about the same relevance to the discussion! Actually disregard that. I can work it out on my own anyway. FLTLT right? Top band? $61K or thereabouts. Service rate= $9K. Flying pay or are you a blunt masquerading as a pilot? Eight years but less than ten? $26K Strewth....all up you're on more than a J* F/O! Not bad for an desk driver!

[B A Lert]

Originally Posted by Pass-A-Frozo

Did I miss a renumerated / remunerated joke here??
Let's not be too unkind. English may not be his first language. Let's play the issue...

A lot of poor spellers also mangle the language. How often have you heard someone say 'juvenile denilquins' when they really mean 'juvenile delinquents' or 'lesbianese' for 'lesbian'? Likewise, 'renumeration' (if the word exists in other than the USA), is often used when 'remuneration' is meant.

[Pass-A-Frozo]

ahh. The Keganator..
let's see here... You know I love a good discussion:

'I know you are but what am I' style of response.

I was referring to his first post. Not rocket science..

It matters zilch what pay ejector is on, I suspect his point

Well no.. don't suspect.. (hence why I asked what his agenda was). If you wish to abuse people for accepting a certain salary, it begs the question what he earns and also who would have taken his job for more or less. This is the matter at hand. People would do the same job for varying amounts of money. I'm sure most people here would collect garbage each morning for $1.7 million a year (to take it to an extreme).

The reasons for this vary from the 'get stuffed QF pilot' brigade through to the 'at least it's better than what I'm on now' brigade. That was and is short sighted given the struggle around the world to find pilots.

Well no, to you it may be short sighted but you don't know how that move fits into their lives. It's not fair to fit your circumstances to other peoples decisions. I know many a good man who have gone to work on conditions not that dissimilar to JetStar - and I agree it was a good move for them.

If they'd joined forces instead of trying to go it alone perhaps they could have got a better deal!

Really? Do you think the airline would hire / keep just as many pilots if you increased the salary by say 50% Of course not... someone loses out.. It's just conveniant that the people abusing others for accepting less aren't at risk of not being employed.

Someone want to play the man and pick my typo(s) or are we in fact going to actually discuss this on the merits?

See we do agree sometimes

PS: What's your salary PAF? That's got about the same relevance to the discussion! Actually disregard that. I can work it out on my own anyway. FLTLT right? Flying pay or are you a blunt masquerading as a pilot?

You can work it out. I'd post the link but be in trouble for posting an ad

[amos2]

Oh boy!...

no wonder the profession of airline pilot has gone down the gurgler!

[UNOME]

You made your decision Frozo.

The worldwide remainder of the aviation fraternity do not agree with it and are not required too.

Always remember (as you enjoy your many days off in HNL), QF needed "X" amount of pilots to make Jetstar a reality..and would have paid market value to achieve it! They already pay it to mainline.

[Pass-A-Frozo]

What decision was that??? Re-read Keg's post..

But.. given what I assume you were assuming...

I don't think people who took the pay / conditions you are against are in bed telling there wives "Sorry for taking a better job honey.. I've upset some random person"...

How's your salary in real terms UNOME compared to what the 89'ers were asking?? ?Have you undercut them?

[Yakka]

B A Lert

You are a dcik Haed, You are tnunig tihs trehad into a joke.

Perhaps you should start a thread on spelling mistakes and leave this thread those that want to discuss the topic.

Get over yourself.

Yakka