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Ejector....you need to stay flying your B58 and keep making your $40k.....you sound miserable and pissed off,..the traits of a GA pilot!!!!
Ive got news for you mate,look around the bloody world a little and you will see scores of J*s in disguise,they have just named them differently........J* is not the new boy on the block,they (LCC) are the new boys on the block....and they have been thriving for years...get used to it
You say the good times for the long haul drivers are over....no ****e,most of us have known it for years....ALPA ,my union operate like old people shag!!!
You talk about money...there is no standard,where did you dream up that idea....YOU GET WHAT YOU NEGOTIATE!!!! simple!!!.....
Whilst I believe you have a valid point and I subscribe to your principles,you are out of touch,...J*(and Ilm not defending them)are just like the airline I fly for.....so now your calling me a s@@b....FARKYOU...have never s@@bed in my life....
Was told last week(and I was fishing) that if I got my OZ ATPL and oz Medical(a paperwork formality)that direct entry CAPT A320 was on the cards...would I take the job ...NO.....(maybe yes to piss pete conrad off)....really only wanted to see what the real story was,and to compare with some outfits here in the states.........
Mate,dont get miserable about it....for you...get on with J*....you cant change much by being on the outside,but you can on the inside....and mate.your not even the orange -boy yet......PB
Ive got news for you mate,look around the bloody world a little and you will see scores of J*s in disguise,they have just named them differently........J* is not the new boy on the block,they (LCC) are the new boys on the block....and they have been thriving for years...get used to it
You say the good times for the long haul drivers are over....no ****e,most of us have known it for years....ALPA ,my union operate like old people shag!!!
You talk about money...there is no standard,where did you dream up that idea....YOU GET WHAT YOU NEGOTIATE!!!! simple!!!.....
Whilst I believe you have a valid point and I subscribe to your principles,you are out of touch,...J*(and Ilm not defending them)are just like the airline I fly for.....so now your calling me a s@@b....FARKYOU...have never s@@bed in my life....
Was told last week(and I was fishing) that if I got my OZ ATPL and oz Medical(a paperwork formality)that direct entry CAPT A320 was on the cards...would I take the job ...NO.....(maybe yes to piss pete conrad off)....really only wanted to see what the real story was,and to compare with some outfits here in the states.........
Mate,dont get miserable about it....for you...get on with J*....you cant change much by being on the outside,but you can on the inside....and mate.your not even the orange -boy yet......PB
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An interesting point PAF: it's not always just the market which dictates remuneration. For example, there are certain areas where people will happily tolerate paying higher salaries for a service, if they feel it's in their best interests (you can have your heart bypass done real cheap in Kenya, or you can get it done expensively at Royal North Shore). And there are certain areas where people are paid more because they control the purse strings (CEOs of poorly performing companies who retain their huge bonuses?).
Another interesting point: whether or not someone is perceived as being 'overpaid' is extremely subjective. The cleaner in the local shopping centre would probably think the checkout chicks are overpaid. I imagine that he/she almost certainly thinks I'm overpaid. Bill Gates though, probably couldn't give a stuff what I earn.
Therein lies the problem. For the public to be happy with my pay & not get upset about me getting a payrise, labour for my job either has to be in short supply, and/or they have to put enough value on what I do.
Another interesting point: whether or not someone is perceived as being 'overpaid' is extremely subjective. The cleaner in the local shopping centre would probably think the checkout chicks are overpaid. I imagine that he/she almost certainly thinks I'm overpaid. Bill Gates though, probably couldn't give a stuff what I earn.
Therein lies the problem. For the public to be happy with my pay & not get upset about me getting a payrise, labour for my job either has to be in short supply, and/or they have to put enough value on what I do.
I suspect that many of the high n mighty airline pilots would, if they were currently in GA/ regional, would jump at the opportunity to fly J*. In fact, people I know in QF, before they got in, were applying to any 2 bit company that had a jet.
I will be extremely interested in seeing the intestinal fortitude displayed when the QF LH EBA is negotiated.
As usual we are pointing the blame at a group of pilots, instead of working together. How about we blame the government for allowing workers bargaining rights to be continually diminished, and allowing big corporations free rein to do whatever the beancounters please, with no regard to safety whatsoever.
If I hear another management type say "Safety before schedule"again I think I'll be sick!!
I will be extremely interested in seeing the intestinal fortitude displayed when the QF LH EBA is negotiated.
As usual we are pointing the blame at a group of pilots, instead of working together. How about we blame the government for allowing workers bargaining rights to be continually diminished, and allowing big corporations free rein to do whatever the beancounters please, with no regard to safety whatsoever.
If I hear another management type say "Safety before schedule"again I think I'll be sick!!
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Originally Posted by grrowler
As usual we are pointing the blame at a group of pilots, instead of working together.
Irrespective of mistakes made by people in the past (despite urging by rank and file members to cover all group pilots from even before QF bought Impulse) there were offers on the table to the JPC to work together before this crap EBA deal was done.
I was on the Mel airport Skybus a year back listening to a grubby looking surfy type telling the driver all about his new job as FO on the 320 with Jet*. He said
"it was nice to finally reach the top" I nearly crapped my pants with laughter. I actually held my tongue, not something I usually do but it was 0730 and I'd just arrived from HKG.
If these Jet* type of people are allowed to continue degrading our job then I guess pretty soon Jet* Capt will be the top of the pile. Damn shame really.
my 2 cents worth.
"it was nice to finally reach the top" I nearly crapped my pants with laughter. I actually held my tongue, not something I usually do but it was 0730 and I'd just arrived from HKG.
If these Jet* type of people are allowed to continue degrading our job then I guess pretty soon Jet* Capt will be the top of the pile. Damn shame really.
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Read in this morning's paper that Hawaii is to be added to JetStar's destinations. I guess if you're going to have days off down route, HNL would be one of the better places to spend them.
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I remember arguing on this website 5 years ago that these people (read Jetstar aka nopulse) were a danger to the industry.
And just look where we are today.
They have just about ruined the possibility of our ever being comfortable in our occupation for the forseeable future.
You may say, blame management. Nope. I'd do the same if I were one of the midget evil twins.
It was up to these guys. And they caved without even a squeak. God help them if their intestinal fortitude is so lacking in this case, they won't have any chance of coping with an emergency in flight.
Zero backbone. Pathetic.
And just look where we are today.
They have just about ruined the possibility of our ever being comfortable in our occupation for the forseeable future.
You may say, blame management. Nope. I'd do the same if I were one of the midget evil twins.
It was up to these guys. And they caved without even a squeak. God help them if their intestinal fortitude is so lacking in this case, they won't have any chance of coping with an emergency in flight.
Zero backbone. Pathetic.
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Dutch Roll said - An interesting point PAF: it's not always just the market which dictates remuneration. For example, there are certain areas where people will happily tolerate paying higher salaries for a service, if they feel it's in their best interests (you can have your heart bypass done real cheap in Kenya, or you can get it done expensively at Royal North Shore).
People will tolerate paying higher prices for the Royal North Shore hospital surgery because there are very clear differences between it and the royal Kenya Hospital surgery. Lower infection rates, fewer hospital deaths and higher success rates during surgery mean that the RNH offers much better quality that is worth paying for.
What do QF pilots offer QF that Jetstar pilots don’t. Why would Dixon pay a premium for QF pilots when the service they offer is actually less than that offered by a competing supplier of labor with the same or similar infection rates etc.
People will tolerate paying higher prices for the Royal North Shore hospital surgery because there are very clear differences between it and the royal Kenya Hospital surgery. Lower infection rates, fewer hospital deaths and higher success rates during surgery mean that the RNH offers much better quality that is worth paying for.
What do QF pilots offer QF that Jetstar pilots don’t. Why would Dixon pay a premium for QF pilots when the service they offer is actually less than that offered by a competing supplier of labor with the same or similar infection rates etc.
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This thread has run way past its use by date...you're just lucky...it seems all the Woomeras have been busy.
The next person who mentions 'scab' in any thread let alone one about Jetstar will be banned...not sin binned...BANNED!!!
The next person who mentions 'scab' in any thread let alone one about Jetstar will be banned...not sin binned...BANNED!!!
