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Nobody has a problem with pilots paying for their initial training. What people have a problem with is when they get employed and that employer expects them to pay out tens of thousands of dollars to work for them. What other industry does this happen in where the employer abrogates his training responsibilities, particuarly where they are making massive profits?
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The basic problem is that for the first time (relatively anyway) airlines are now expecting employees to pay for something that they have usually paid for themselves.
This was always going to be a rude shock and with the latest announcement from J* charging f/a's for interviews let's see how many other companies start this same concept.
This was always going to be a rude shock and with the latest announcement from J* charging f/a's for interviews let's see how many other companies start this same concept.
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My logic was working on the premise that the pax had advised the airline that they were booked separately but travelling as a total complete party of 5 for example. In this case they would all be seated together when the pre-flight or seat editing is done some 12 hours before the flight not at the time of checkin.
In the days of blended families etc when families with different names book separately, unless they tell the airline beforehand, it would be left up to checkin to seat them as best as they could.
Of course it goes without saying that the earlier you checkin the better. If Smith and Jones are the last two people to checkin and all that's left is 9B & 27E there's not a hell of a lot that can be done.
Whilst I agree with what you say, your logic doesn't entirely stack up. It doesn't matter what system an airline users, for example exactly the same can (and does) happen with Qantas or VB at the time of check-in.
In the days of blended families etc when families with different names book separately, unless they tell the airline beforehand, it would be left up to checkin to seat them as best as they could.
Of course it goes without saying that the earlier you checkin the better. If Smith and Jones are the last two people to checkin and all that's left is 9B & 27E there's not a hell of a lot that can be done.
G'day Hoss,
When I joined that very questionable outfit air crews control it was an $8000 bond, that was all.
Capt. Basil Brush.
You are quite correct overtime does kick in 75hrs.
The basic break down is as follows:
133K base
28k in additional credits hours.(190 credit hours at 150 per hour)
Of these, only about 90 were from extra flying.The rest were made up of sims(4 sims at 7hrs = 28),E.Ps, various courses(etops crm etc) and annual leave credits.
An example of how it works in one month last year I had 2 weeks leave at 3.6 per day made 36 hrs.Upon returning they flogged me with 52 hrs in 2 weeks.In addition I had two days in the sim as well 14hrs.Monthy total 102hrs.
Also work 7 days off at approx average $1400 per day=$9800
Therefore 133k plus 28k plus 9.8k
Grand total 171K.
In summary 135 flying days at average of 6 stick per day.
35 reserve days of which I got called in for 7.
6 weeks leave and the rest off.
Hope this helps you too Visual.
Regards.
When I joined that very questionable outfit air crews control it was an $8000 bond, that was all.
Capt. Basil Brush.
You are quite correct overtime does kick in 75hrs.
The basic break down is as follows:
133K base
28k in additional credits hours.(190 credit hours at 150 per hour)
Of these, only about 90 were from extra flying.The rest were made up of sims(4 sims at 7hrs = 28),E.Ps, various courses(etops crm etc) and annual leave credits.
An example of how it works in one month last year I had 2 weeks leave at 3.6 per day made 36 hrs.Upon returning they flogged me with 52 hrs in 2 weeks.In addition I had two days in the sim as well 14hrs.Monthy total 102hrs.
Also work 7 days off at approx average $1400 per day=$9800
Therefore 133k plus 28k plus 9.8k
Grand total 171K.
In summary 135 flying days at average of 6 stick per day.
35 reserve days of which I got called in for 7.
6 weeks leave and the rest off.
Hope this helps you too Visual.
Regards.
Thanks Packs on for your reply. I always thought they asked for the money up front but that was a long time ago.
I always remember that I wasn't too sure whether I was prepared to pay or take a gamble on that sort of money back then, haven't times changed.
I always remember that I wasn't too sure whether I was prepared to pay or take a gamble on that sort of money back then, haven't times changed.
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Might explain why the MPL ( Multicrew Pilot Licence ) has been invented.
Why else would anyone subject themselves to so much ****E for so little remuneration. Heck even train drivers earn more now ,and they don't have to stump up the money for the privilege.
Why else would anyone subject themselves to so much ****E for so little remuneration. Heck even train drivers earn more now ,and they don't have to stump up the money for the privilege.
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171000 dollars flying for a lo co carrier in a country as magnificant as oz and with 6 weeks annual leave.
Seriously, you folks should get out and smell the roses if you think thats a bad thing.
Come take a look around north america and see how the industry is and you wont complain so much.
sheesh.
Seriously, you folks should get out and smell the roses if you think thats a bad thing.
Come take a look around north america and see how the industry is and you wont complain so much.
sheesh.
