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Pete, if you believe packs on, then I was correct:
Bond is a bit different to forking out the readies, and as a long time NJS driver I can tell you we were the lowest ( and they still are ) paid RPT jet jocks in OZ.
Bond is a bit different to forking out the readies, and as a long time NJS driver I can tell you we were the lowest ( and they still are ) paid RPT jet jocks in OZ.
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Whilst I agree with what you say, your logic doesn't entirely stack up. It doesn't matter what system an airline users, for example exactly the same can (and does) happen with Qantas or VB at the time of check-in.
I actually think this way will work better for the average family. For most it will give them the chance to pick their own seats ahead of time - so if the family is pushing for time on the day of flight, they will not be at the mercy of check-in staff (unless they are running so late that they miss the 30min buffer - then heaven help them).
I believe when allocated seating comes in punters are allocated seats at the time of reservation and that's what they're stuck with. If this is the case it will still cause problems for families wanting to sit together if they don't all book at the same time which happens frequently.
I actually think this way will work better for the average family. For most it will give them the chance to pick their own seats ahead of time - so if the family is pushing for time on the day of flight, they will not be at the mercy of check-in staff (unless they are running so late that they miss the 30min buffer - then heaven help them).
Come on guys, still waiting for a reply regarding ACC Pty Ltd, all you Impulse/Oxley veterans know what I'm talking about.
Slightly off topic but Jetstar got a mention on channel seven's sunrise. "would be Jetstar International Flight Attendents being charged for interview process" has been scrolling across the bottom of the screen.
Slightly off topic but Jetstar got a mention on channel seven's sunrise. "would be Jetstar International Flight Attendents being charged for interview process" has been scrolling across the bottom of the screen.
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Originally Posted by a123
Yes it is very sad to say Aussie pilots are the lowest paid in the world. Just above some African pilots !!! still there net take home may be more compared to Aussies.
Just to let you know I work for a well recognised company in Oz and earn less than a Jetstar pilot, does that make me the lowest paid in the world?
I would be more than happy to earn what a Jetstar pilot earns, but as for the 'paying for endorsement', what a crock...
HOw long will it be until being a pilot is unaffordable?? By the time you have got the experience to even get on the starting blocks with most airlines you don't exactly have alot of spare cash. Then to spend $35 000+ with endos and accomodation etc would mean you are going to spend alot of your future renting!!
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The world is changing people but so many pilots just don't get it. If you think you're badly off, go and see how much it costs to become an architect, solicitor, dentist, medical practitioner etc. Like pilots, the guys in these professions call themselves 'professional'. Do you hear them gripe continually about having to pay their way for the skills, licences, permits, qualifications etc that offer meal tickets for them? I've said it before and I'll say it again: 'It's time to get a grip.'
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Yes B A Jerk, they pay for their initial qualifications like pilots, but does their employer expect them to fork out over $30,000 in training so that the employer doesn't have too?
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Originally Posted by Enema Bandit's Dad
....does their employer expect them to fork out over $30,000 in training so that the employer doesn't have too?
Not only do they pay for their further education, their rewards are minimal and hours/days are long while doing so. What part of that don't you understand?
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Its supply and demand, at the moment there are plenty of pilots willing to shell out the required thousands to buy a job. If and when the airlines cannot find the pilots they need, they will have to make it more attractive by improving the employment conditions.
The question is: will there ever come a time when there is a pilot shortage?
The question is: will there ever come a time when there is a pilot shortage?
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What you say has merit B A LERT, however ( being one from one of the aforementioned professions ) the cost seems to be at every turn in this industry.
I have paid around $60 000 for training, instructor ratings, multi training approval and the odd endorsement. On my current salary it can't be justified as any kind of sensible investment. Then you seek to improve your lot by advancing from regional to jet employment and following a thorough recruitment process you get to pay for yet more training and end up just that little bit further behind just about everyone you know.
Every time you change, say, architectual firms it doesn't cost you $30 000 for the privilage.
Bond away I say.
I have paid around $60 000 for training, instructor ratings, multi training approval and the odd endorsement. On my current salary it can't be justified as any kind of sensible investment. Then you seek to improve your lot by advancing from regional to jet employment and following a thorough recruitment process you get to pay for yet more training and end up just that little bit further behind just about everyone you know.
Every time you change, say, architectual firms it doesn't cost you $30 000 for the privilage.
Bond away I say.
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For once this is something that I agree with BA on.Unfortunately,this is becoming the norm,costs I mean.
If you were to buy a simple business ,let's say a Donut /Ice cream shop or similar in a typical suburban shopping center you would not get much change from $300,000 or even higher based on turn over.With your rental and other set up costs and then the usual running costs there is nothing to rule out losing half or more of your income if Mr whippy or similar opened just across the mall.your costs are the same and maybe highter with the annual adjustments but there is no guarantee on income
There is also the costs incurred in upgrading your product insisted on by the franchisor as it is when you want to get another endorsement for another aircraft type.You would be surprised when you see how little $30,000 will buy you when you have to buy new equipment or computers or such.
On the other hand if you look at University as my son is next year,there will be little change from more than $100,000 for the course and about $10,000 to $13,000 a year to live on for the life of the course.It does not matter if you get HECs,you still have to pay back the amount loaned.
So in this light $60,000 is small change really and a lot of people have spent that much on a car but your right Guard when you say you have to look at the cost as in any business and see if it is viable.There are probably thousands of people worldwide who would have loved to do something but simply could not organise finance and have just dreamt about what might have been
If you were to buy a simple business ,let's say a Donut /Ice cream shop or similar in a typical suburban shopping center you would not get much change from $300,000 or even higher based on turn over.With your rental and other set up costs and then the usual running costs there is nothing to rule out losing half or more of your income if Mr whippy or similar opened just across the mall.your costs are the same and maybe highter with the annual adjustments but there is no guarantee on income
There is also the costs incurred in upgrading your product insisted on by the franchisor as it is when you want to get another endorsement for another aircraft type.You would be surprised when you see how little $30,000 will buy you when you have to buy new equipment or computers or such.
On the other hand if you look at University as my son is next year,there will be little change from more than $100,000 for the course and about $10,000 to $13,000 a year to live on for the life of the course.It does not matter if you get HECs,you still have to pay back the amount loaned.
So in this light $60,000 is small change really and a lot of people have spent that much on a car but your right Guard when you say you have to look at the cost as in any business and see if it is viable.There are probably thousands of people worldwide who would have loved to do something but simply could not organise finance and have just dreamt about what might have been
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It always amazes me how people equate cost of education with professional income.
My brother in law spent 7 years and 250.000 dollars in training to be a brain surgeon.
Borrowed over a million dollars setting up a private practise and fully paid off both debts in the first year of private practice.
No doubt the 7 years taxed the neurons but the rest of his professional life is gravy, only catch is you have to endure and survive the first 7.
My brother in law spent 7 years and 250.000 dollars in training to be a brain surgeon.
Borrowed over a million dollars setting up a private practise and fully paid off both debts in the first year of private practice.
No doubt the 7 years taxed the neurons but the rest of his professional life is gravy, only catch is you have to endure and survive the first 7.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: 'It's to get a grip.'
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Originally Posted by ccy sam
....at the moment there are plenty of pilots willing to shell out the required thousands to buy a job....
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Originally Posted by Zigzag
I dare say no matter how many times you say it, it wont make sense.......
It's so easy to read what you think you typed...I'll fix it so that it does make sense. Cheers